How to get people to the site

[admin20]

I just launched a website, and I am having difficulty getting people to this site. I was wondering if you guys have any suggestions on how to help me with it.

site is at

http://www.adposter.net


Thank you for the suggestions,
JP

[sam1]

Hi,
The site dont work.

May be you must changes you host,

[bbauer]

[quote="admin20"]I just launched a website, and I am having difficulty getting people to this site. I was wondering if you guys have any suggestions on how to help me with it.

If you want to get traffic to your site quickly in today's internet environment, you have to learn how to blog effectively.

Blogging is so important these days that you either blog your business or you don't have one. Its just that
simple.

And example of that is my main website which has been up for just over 3 years now has had a little more than 14,000 visitors and my blog which has been up since May 3rd this year has had more than 14,000 hits too. So the blog at http://creditwrench.blogspot.com has had more traffic in 3 months than my website has had in 3 years.

And guess what? I have done more to promote my website than you will ever imagine. Just a small example, for the first couple of years I had 12 computers on the internet 24-7 promoting various websites including my main website and I have never submitted my blog to any search engine and I probably never will.

If you want to get your webpage lots of hits use a blog to promote it.

If you would like to learn how to get started the easy way just send an email to blogs@autobotinfo.com and over the course of 3 days you will get 3 emails that will not only tell you how to do it but will give you the source coude to set one up and you can get one started in less than a day once you get your final email.

The final email will give you the source code that you can copy and paste right into the blog and it will give you a color coded webpage copy that will show you what you can change on your blog template and what you should leave alone and not change.

So send the email and get started to promoting your website the blog way.

You will be very glad you did.
my website (http://www.creditwrench.com) My blog (http://creditwrench.blogspot.com)
My Message board (http://pub50.ezboard.com/bcreditwrench) ceo@creditwrench.com

[acornwebworks]

Interestingly, I have just reviewed the website of bbauer who recommended that you blog to get traffic. His concern? He was getting lots of traffic but it wasn’t being converted into sales! Not knowing how his blog conversion rate compares to his search engine results conversion rate, I certainly can’t say that his is a bad plan. But I thought it an interesting factoid :-)

Your site is very nice looking. I do have a couple of thoughts, though...at first not about getting traffic, but I do make some suggestions about that, too.

1) I had to really, really work hard to find out how much it cost to list on your site. Having to click on a Join Now button before you can find this out (if there’s another way, I didn’t find it) is an extremely poor call-to-action. Most people will give up, or use only the free option.

You need to make that information easily findable. Not only that, but if your price of $10 a year is really unlimited...meaning I can list as many photo ads on your site as I want for only one $10 annual fee...you should emphasize that. It’s almost as good as free!

2) On your free ad page, list more category options. Personally I’d want to list in Real Estate, and the closest thing you have is General Merchandise. Not good. For someone who wants to try your site before buying, none of your drop down boxes for Category offered a ‘real estate’ option. So here I am - literally considering buying your service - but I can’t try it in my category to see if I like it. My only option was Other, and that’s not good enough because your navigation bar literally lists Real Estate as a choice - so I would have no way of testing your ad site because I would have no way to put my ad in the appropriate category without paying first.

3) You require state/province, yet offer every country in the world. Don’t require state/province. There are many countries that do not have such a geographic designation (or searchers may not have a clue what they would be. For example, the island country of Grenada...can you name a state or province on Grenada...or even if they have any?)

4) On your Real Estate search form, don’t require state/province, # of kitchens, baths or bedrooms. Make these optional fields.

5) What do you mean by Home Properties vs. Out-of-State properties vs. Foreign Properties. I notice that the 2 homes you have listed are in Home Properties and are both Canadian, Is yours a Canadian site?

6) Put something other than a Contact Us form on your site. An address. A phone number. Something that increases a sense of trust about your site.

In other words, try to make this as helpful and easy-to-use as possible. You don’t just want traffic...you want your traffic to do something that makes you $$$ :-) You’ve got a ton of competition, much of it offering free ads, so quality will count.

Other thoughts for getting traffic...lots of people will search by things like “free real estate ads” (I read my log files faithfully :-) or “free car ads” or “advertise my motorcycle for free”. I would recommend focusing your efforts on those kinds of searches. For example, “advertise my motorcycle for free” brings up 74,000 results in Google while “classified ads” brings up 3,250,000. Hmmmm :-) Try making up searches yourself or use tools such as the 7 Search keyword suggestion tool: http://conversion.7search.com/scripts/advertisertools/keywordsuggestion.aspx

Hope this helps!

Kendall

[bbauer]

You certainly have brought up some interesting points. The advertising thing seems to be a terrible way to try to make money. One reason is that so many of the advertising type sites are there for the sole purpose of gathering email addys and then reselling those to the spammers that I would think it would be difficult indeed to actually get people to advertise on any such site.

And another point that your "critic" brought up is that about search terms/categories. That is a tough subject. I pay a lot of attention to that and what I have found out is that most people are searching for more exact terms than most realize. For instance, a lot of people do search using the search term "girls"
but far more use other terms such as "Latinas" or "Russian" or "chinese" or "black" or "Blondes", "redheads" and many other "girl specific" terms rather than just "girls"

For instance, I have maybe 50 or so webpages that are nothing but listings of collection agencies by city and state or province. People almost never search for
"collection agencies" but almost always search for "Sleazebag Collection Agnecy" or "Beatemup & Dumpum collection agency" or when it comes to attorneys they will search for "Dewey Cheatum & Howe" but never just
for attorneys.

So all things considered, I'd say that his ideas are very good indeed.

[admin20]

Thank you very much for all the comments you guys made. I am now making some changes to the site. To those who aren't able to see the site cause it was offline it's because of the POWER OUTAGE happening here in Toronto. Yes the site is a Canadian site.

If anyone of you is going to review the site, please be informed that if the site is offline that means that the power is off here in Canada. Unfortunately the power will be rotated on a timely basis until next week I think.

Thank you for your comments and suggestions.

[janeth]

I will start by saying that I know nothing about blogs but have sent an email to bbauer to see what he can tell me.
My website is about 6 months old and we get about 864 visitors a day and about 43982 hits. We are still looking for the perfect set up as far as the website goes, we get closer everyday but have a long ways to go. There are a lot of ways to get visitors to your website. The most important are links. On your website you say your ranked number one can I ask for which key words. Choosing the right key words is more important the getting ranked in the top ten. We have had to find that out the hard. If I was you I would work on getting as many links to your site as you can. You selling the ability to help other people get to the top of the search engines you need to be there for the good key words plus you will get a lot of hits from the links you set up.

[adposter]

Hi Janeth,

Yes Janeth, you are right, I have been using the keywords specifically targetted to the service I provide. The only thing that's getting me is that I think it's the competition. But the big difference is the quality of service. I've seen a lot of online ad services in there that charges or don't even charge anything but the quality of the site is just something like an FFA site. aconwebworks is right with what he said, some of the information I am misplacing them and yes, I am constantly improving the site and organizing things about. Hopefully as the site gets older (just launched it 4 months ago), more people would recognize it. Actually if anyone of you would be interested, I also created a Forum on my site and if you guys would be willing to help out post some info in there, maybe that would help me get going. Besides, the Forum registration is FREE. Thank you all for the info.

Thanks,
Jon

[httpman]

I will start by saying that I know nothing about blogs but have sent an email to bbauer to see what he can tell me.
My website is about 6 months old and we get about 864 visitors a day and about 43982 hits. We are still looking for the perfect set up as far as the website goes, we get closer everyday but have a long ways to go. There are a lot of ways to get visitors to your website. The most important are links. On your website you say your ranked number one can I ask for which key words. Choosing the right key words is more important the getting ranked in the top ten. We have had to find that out the hard. If I was you I would work on getting as many links to your site as you can. You selling the ability to help other people get to the top of the search engines you need to be there for the good key words plus you will get a lot of hits from the links you set up.

[From France] : She's right. 2 Weeks ago I was looking at the same topic : how to get people coming to my website, w/o spending all my bucks. My company is 1 year old, and finding new contacts always looks to me like a punishment - Hey, I'm a web designer, not a sales people.

Take a look at Janeth's website, you will find great value advices. Link exchange is a good starting point. Google puts a strong emphasis on the nb of links pointing to your website. Hence how to get links when you start your own site ?

The answer is on Janeth's website. But that's just a starting point : while looking for link exchange programs, I founded many local directories, talking about my city, and my department (a french way to split the country in smaller parts)... A lot of directories in fact, and I just didn't know them cause "always on the road". I posted my website adress there for free, and 1 week later it starts working...

Have a look at Janeth's website !

Jean-Pierre

[bbauer]

Janeth, one thing I noticed on your site was that you have at least two or three, maybe more keywords which are not to be found anywhere in your body text. If you want my advice, I'd say you should either use them or get rid of them. Doing so should help your search engine rankings at least a little bit.

I've said that I would put up a complete script template for the blogs.

I've done that at blogs@autobotinfo.com and I've had quite a few responses of people looking for free template and instructions.

And then I tried the template this morning and it didn't work right so I debugged it and I'll be changing the template in the autoresponder sometime today so if you get the template and it don't work there will be a debugged copy after 08/19/03 and if you get one that don't work simply send another email to blogs@autobotinfo.com and get the new template.

Sorry about that.

[janeth]

httpman
Thanks a lot for your comments

[janeth]

bbauer
Thanks for looking at the site I play around a lot with the text on the page and the key words. We are ranked number one for a lot of the key words that was in the text last week we changed those key words this week some of those key words may still be in the meta tags key words list I guess this is what your talking about. Since that is the less for the things google looks at I try not to change those. If there was something else let me know.
thanks

[httpman]

I've done that at blogs@autobotinfo.com and I've had quite a few responses of people looking for free template and instructions.

Hey bbauer, why should one send you an e-mail to get a script ? Don't know how to put a FREE usable script on a website ? Many of us here can help you if needed.
Or are trying to get any @ adresses ?

[httpman]

httpman
Thanks a lot for your comments

The very true reason for my comment is that thanks to your advices, I have just started a new way to promote my site and my knowledge - and by those difficult times, finding new clients is a guess. And it works.

Your advices are obvious, while free - a bad way to make money, a good way to help people like a lot of us.

You should write an article about "how to get more visitors" through links exchange... Regarding WebPro readers questions, seems a high value subject. Here I put a link to one of your pages that waked me up : http://www.geeksonsteroids.com/linksforhits.htm

JP[/url]

[janeth]

I'm glad I could be of help
If you go to this page http://www.geeksonsteroids.com/reciprocal_links_page.htm
look at the banner at the bottom of the page it says link partners click on it and go to that site it is a great place to start finding people to link to you.

[bbauer]

Hey bbauer, why should one send you an e-mail to get a script ? Don't know how to put a FREE usable script on a website ? Many of us here can help you if needed.
Or are trying to get any @ adresses ?

Many people don't even know about blogs or what they are, much less how to put a free usable script on a blog. Additionally, most of the scripts produce a blog that is pretty cheesy looking to say the least and have little in the way of functionality. And to make it even worse, lots of people aren't familiar with html or java
script programming and wouldn't know what it was if they saw it. My only intention is to help those who know little or nothing about it to get going easily.

The script I am giving them is all notated so they can tell where to put things and how to write their changes into the script. On top of that I have a web page set up so they can access it which gives it to them in color coding so they can easily see what they
should or should not change, add to or whatever.

Am I trying to get people's email addresses? Hardly. I don't believe in spamming people and I don't sell email addresses and I never contact anyone by email unless they have specifically sent an email to my regular email address asking me a specific question or providing me with information. I have lots of people asking me to email them and I simply won't do it. I will gladly answer any emails I get but I don't
send any out spam fashion.

I got better things to do than that.

[bbauer]

I'm glad I could be of help
If you go to this page http://www.geeksonsteroids.com/reciprocal_links_page.htm
look at the banner at the bottom of the page it says link partners click on it and go to that site it is a great place to start finding people to link to you.

I love to trade links but I think banner exchanges are a very poor way to do it. That's because the spiders don't read banners or what is on them. As far as I am concerned text links are the only way to go in most cases. And I'm not about to trade links with somebody that is going to put my link back on page F100 which they maintain as a link farm while I give them a front page billing.

Lots of sites will have a little blurb which says "Link to me" and even give you a code you can put on your website. Forget that.

Its got to be a reciprocal link on a prominent page or nothing.

[janeth]

To start with I never said anything about banner exchanges.
I'm also sure that your competition loves the layout and set up of your site. From the looks of it my guess is that your not trying to use the search engines any way. The fact that for title which is one of the most important places to put your key words you used Creditwrench Home Page-WELCOME
You also used frames on the site and the blue background with black text is a bit much.
My site has no link farms on it and I never said anything about link farms.
You need to read and understand what your talking about.
As long as a link page has between 20 to 30 links on it there is no problem. All the link exchanges I do are text. I think before you give seo advice you should go back and work on your website and check into things before you start writting.

[bbauer]

The fact that for title which is one of the most important places to put your key words you used Creditwrench Home Page-WELCOMEAnd so what would you suggest to change it to?

You need to read and understand what your talking about. I was not referring to your site, but the way that so many want to do with link trading.

As long as a link page has between 20 to 30 links on it there is no problem.I can agree with that or even a few more. Some say to keep it under maybe 60 or so.

I didn't really come in here to give advice but rather to get some comments about site improvement. I get excellent traffic, just need to learn how to improve what my site looks like. In the process I got side tracked into talking about something I do know about which is how to get the traffic there in the first place.

One can have the bst looking site out there but if nobody sees it nothing is going to happen. And if you
get tons of traffic to a poorly designed site that isn't going to work out too well either. I've learned how to get traffic to a site and blogs are the way to do it. Now I just have to learn how to get the page looking good and selling.

That's what I am trying to do.

[janeth]

I'm very sorry for my comments. Since you had copied something I had said and then wrote your comments under them I took this to mean that you were saying I had said something and you where trying to correct me. I'm sorry for that

[bbauer]

I'm very sorry for my comments. Since you had copied something I had said and then wrote your comments under them I took this to mean that you were saying I had said something and you where trying to correct me. I'm sorry for thatNo problem. Misunderstandings are common in forums where one does not have facial nor voice contact so the nuances of human speech are not present to guide us.

I just downloaded a color picker program and I kind of like a green background with deep blue lettering for the links on the left hand side and for the main page a
normal white background with deep blue letters for the h1, h2, h3 & ect tags and normal black for the rest of the text.

I took care of all the hypermart links yesterday doing a sitewide search & change so hypermart links are no more on the site.

I do see that I have maybe 4 or 5 links that don't work and I tried to cure those but I can't make an FTP connection to the site right how so I'll have to wait a bit until I can get access to the site again.

They must be doing some work on it or something.

Anyway, there are a ton of different color schemes I could use, of course but that one kind of took my fancy. If somebody has any other ideas as to what would be a good color scheme let me know and I'll check it out with this color wheel program.

I'm not good at picking colors at all. Terrible in fact.

[janeth]

I have always felt like simple is better. The design of a website should be to make money not to show off what you can do. I would get rid of the frame go with a nice logo an white background and some good text.

[bbauer]

I have always felt like simple is better. The design of a website should be to make money not to show off what you can do. I would get rid of the frame go with a nice logo an white background and some good text.

I really liked the frames but I guess I need to get rid of them.

I guess I could do about the same thing with CSS style sheets but I never have understood how to make that sork.

I've tried to get both layers and tables to work too but have never had much success with that either.

[acornwebworks]

Hi folks,

1) Poor Admin20 (also adposter?) - who started this thread - got lost in the dust here :-) Oh well, hopefully we helped him. When he gets that Real Estate section up in his free ads, I'll be glad to try him out...and if I like it (which I hope I will)...I'll pay him some money so I can start advertising on his site!!

2) Janeth - Please, please understand that I definitely don't mean to be re-starting something, but I have to admit that I agree with bbauer about banner exchanges and link farms and how they relate to your site.

When I went to your links page, the first thing I saw was a big blinking banner for BannersXchange.com (which seems to be showing doubles as well...quite odd) - and the page also looked like a link farm to me.

I find the rest of your site quite attractive, but I truly thought the links page was not.

Links were not organized in any discernible pattern (a typical link-farm presentation), there were broken image links, some of the links had no description, and there was no standard appearance. For example, sometimes the link started right after the # while other times it started on the next line (and sometimes there was no number at all); sometimes there would be a <p align="center"></p> in the code that totally threw off the alignment; fonts would occasionally vary...and then there was the link with its description that wasn't in html at all...and the fact that you could click on pages 1-3 from page 1, no additional pages from page 2, pages 1-4 from page 3...and page 4 was the same as page 3.

The deal is, while I certainly believe you when you say you don't support link farms and hadn't mentioned banner exchanges, your links page has that link farm look-and-feel about it. It's nowhere near the high quality of the rest of your site. Just food for thought.

3) Bbauer - I was going to write simply that I definitely agree with Janeth about getting rid of the frame and going with white, good text, logo...and still do. BUT!!! While writing this, I went to your FAQ page (thanks for making it so we could get into your other pages) and started going

THAT'S THE LOOK!!!! NOW HE'S GOT IT!!!

(I'm referring to http://www.creditwrench.com/faq.html )

It is TONS AND TONS AND TONS BETTER!!! (What do you think, Janeth?)

That page looked professional! That page looked trustworthy!

Is it new? Kudos to you.

Or did some bozo convince you it wasn't 'cool' enough :-( Fie on bozos.

THAT is the kind of look-and-feel I think you need to present yourself as being someone folks should pay $200 to.

Well, I hope my feedback helps you folks. I'm a firm believer in 'what goes around comes around' and our all being in this together. So always remember that, even if I might word something not as well as I should have, I always try to provide constructive feedback and I never intend to be mean-spirited.

Take care,
Kendall - aka acornwebworks

[bbauer]

2) Janeth - Please, please understand that I definitely don't mean to be re-starting something, but I have to admit that I agree with bbauer about banner exchanges and link farms and how they relate to your site.The funny part here is that I never intended to intimate that her site even resembled a links farm. I just wanted to comment that she had a banner advocating the link exchange programs and I won't get into those kinds of things.
And that is all I meant to say or imply.

3) Bbauer - I was going to write simply that I definitely agree with Janeth about getting rid of the frame and going with white, good text, logo...and still do. BUT!!! While writing this, I went to your FAQ page (thanks for making it so we could get into your other pages) and started going

THAT'S THE LOOK!!!! NOW HE'S GOT IT!!!
I did change the main page but not the faq page. Didn't change it a bit. I see that there is a broken link there that I will have to do something about however now that you brought it up and I went and chacked it out

Is it new?No, its been up since I first put the site up and I've never changed the faq page that I can remember. Ok, but what do you think of my
blog while we are at it. Have you folks checked that
out yet? http://creditwrench.blogspot.com ?? I do lots of other stuff too, such as use a lot of autoresponders to offer free short courses on dealing
with bill collectors, how to build blogs and much more. I think that's an important way to reach customers too. Give them something good as well as useful for free and that helps them to decide whether
you know what you are talking about too. For instance , in one of the free courses by autoresponder I tell them to immediately take control of any phone conversation when a bill collector calls and give them a list of 18 questions to ask the bill collector s when they call. And make them answer the same 18 questions each and every time they call even if its only a couple minutes later. Bill collectors love to do that kind of thing and just bug people to death.
So I give them this list of 18 questions and more of course and tell them that when they get to the end of the list they tell the bill collector that if he has anything he would like to say he needs to put it in a letter and send it to them and hang up. After getting that kind of treatment, no bill collector has ever been known to call more than twice (LOL)

The little free course has 10 lessons on dealing with bill collectors and each lesson is separated by 3 days. And of course, each lesson carries a sales message as well as a lesson. Times 10 lessons over a month's time.

That gives me a lot of chances to sell them.

Autoresponders have proven to work well for me and I think they are a valuable sales tool as well.

I get the autoresponders for free just like the blog.
There is a program out there called Money Chatter (http://www.creditwrench.com/MoneyChatter.exe) and it has a chat room as well where marketers get together to chat, usually on Sunday Evenings and give lessons on marketing and chat back and forth about marketing and programs they are into.

Gets pretty interesting and the program has lots of other free perks too.

Anyway, I do thank you for the ideas you folks have given me and look forward to your commonts on my blog at http://creditwrench.blogspot.com as well.

[janeth]

acornwebworks
there are no link farms on my site. Each and every link on my site I got from contacting the webmaster of those sites. Dealing with around 600 differnt links is some what a deal when trying to put a site togeather as well. I do need to work on my links pages some but for you to think it is a link farm is beyond me. Google did not see it as a link farm.
Also the banner on the page is a website full of people who want to exchange links it is far from a link farm.

[adposter]

Hello all,

You guys sure got me tangled with the comments. I don't know which one is which now. Anyways, I just wanted to let you know that the changes that some of you requested I was able to work on. The Real Estate page has different categories as some of you requested. Thank you for the comments and suggestions. And with the membership section, I further explained what the packages a member will receive. That's all for now. Will be changing more stuff. By the way, how do you upload your picture here?

Thanks,
Jon

[acornwebworks]

acornwebworks
there are no link farms on my site. Each and every link on my site I got from contacting the webmaster of those sites. Dealing with around 600 differnt links is some what a deal when trying to put a site togeather as well. I do need to work on my links pages some but for you to think it is a link farm is beyond me. Google did not see it as a link farm.
Also the banner on the page is a website full of people who want to exchange links it is far from a link farm.

Hi Janeth,

I had tried to bend over backwards to say that I knew it wasn't a link farm, only that it had the APPEARANCE of a link farm. Obviously I didn't bend far enough. Sorry for not being clearer.

When several people tell me the same thing about something on my website, I have to accept that they might have a point - not because I necessarily see it myself, or even like the point, but because they are saying that they see it.

All of us can get too close to things that we've created to see them as clearly as others might.

The Google spiders rightly and correctly wouldn't see your links as a link farm because you carefully contacted people who had related websites. This is excellent. I agree that you did a good and careful job of getting only appropriate links.

I (a human being), however, look at your links section, and it LOOKS like a link farm to me - even though I KNOW it isn't one (and I truly know it isn't, Janeth) - because:

1) it doesn't match the professionalism of the rest of your site

2) it isn't organized so that a visitor could make use of it. (Being disorganized and unusable by visitors are among the characteristics of a link farm.)

I hope this clarifies my earlier comments.

[janeth]

How would you suggest I fix it. Due to the fact that all of them are website design companies I can not put them in categories. Also I add to them all the time so putting them in ABC order would be hard because I try to keep around 20 per page. So really I know of no better way to fix them. I'm open to any suggestions

[bbauer]

Link farm, mink farm, whatever! (LOL)
I think Janeth is correct in saying that reciprocal links keep it from being considered a link farm. And we
know for sure that reciprocal links are indeed important so long as they are at least somewhat compatible with the site that has them and not links from competitor sites. Most blogs have tons of links and they never get penalized for them that I can see. And some kinds of one way links are very permissible such as links to government sites, court cases and other such sites.

Since I deal with helping people with debt problems I have lots of links to FTC sites, court cases and other government regulatory agencies and there isn't a crying chance any of those are going to give anybody a reciprocal link.

Anyway, a link farm normally only has links and nothing else on it. I would imagine that if a link farm also had a lot of content on it to disguise it then it would get just about as much attention from the spiders as any other page and little or no penalization.

I've even put up pages of gifs that were one pixel by
1 pixel, 768 of them per line, and each one of them linked to some website or webpage and those get listed too. 768 pixels make a line across the screen and it looks just like a normal divider line except that when the mouse scrolls across it the little hand pops up showing that it is a link. What the viewer don't realize is that there are 768 links on that line. And you can even use alt tags on each one so that you pack the page with keywords in the process of building the line. But of course, the keywords have to be relevant to the page or that's no good.
That works to get some keyword density in even if you
don't have a full line. I haven't done that in a long time now, but some 1 pixel gifs could be used and the alt tag saying "Creditwrench logo" or whatever would do the trick. Search engines would never tumble to the fact that it was only a 1 by 1 gif. (http://www.creditwrench.com)

There are lots of different tricks that can be used and I do use a lot of them.

But one trick I am having trouble with is how to get rid of the frames on my site and still keep those links on the left side of the page. How do I do that?

[janeth]

bbauer,
I think we have gotten way off what the original post was. Why don't you put your site in submitt your site for review. There are some realy great web design companies that post over there and in the mean time I will take a look at your site and see what I can come up with.

[phdnofuddy]

bbauer - I tried to view both your site and your blog to give you an opinion as you asked. I gave up after choosing NOT to debug about 25 script errors.

The blog was even worse.

Admittedly, since I am a web programmer, I've got debug turned on in my browser - but I think I'll pass on using any of your scripts on my sites thank you.

If you want to see a demo of a really easy blog to add to your site, try http://www.myblogminder.com. It's not free, but they host the database and clean out old blog posts - definately worth the $14.95 asking price! There's absolutely no script configuration required and there are NO ERRORS!!

bbauer -
Admittedly, since I am a web programmer, I've got debug turned on in my browser - but I think I'll pass on using any of your scripts on my sites thank you.

That is interesting. Of course, I'm sure that those who do not have debugging turned on in their browsers will have no problems such as you had.

In otherwords, you are out just begging for trouble. (LOL)

That's fine. But would you tell us what browser you are using and it might be helpful to those of us wanting to clean up those errors if you would teach us how to turn on the debug feature in Netscape and Internet Explorer.

[phdnofuddy]

Very simple bbauer,

Tools > Internet Options > Advanced:

under Browsing, UNCHECK the "Disable script debugging" box

I rarely use Netscape - I have one copy installed on my dedicated graphics machine for the SOLE PURPOSE of testing pages with a "flash-less" browser [I build scripts for advertisers that automatically detect when a user's browser has no Flash plug-in or an outdated one and immediately serves up a static or animated .gif image instead]

Anyway... I digress. Netscape should have a similar procedure to view script errors.

One thing I have found - "free" scripts come with a price - bad functionality. I cannot tell you how many free scripts I've had to rewrite for my advertiser clients who have to have rock-solid, reliable, and FAST code in order to get paid for the impressions they log. Their clients have strict specs for the maximum amount of load time an ad can have to be scored as an impression.

My clients have now learned it's cheaper for them to come to me FIRST to write them a script than it is for me to FIX what they've buggered up.

You don't have that same level of motivation for keeping your code clean, but I think you are seeing the same result with your lack of conversion to sales. Even if you hide the errors from yourself, they cause very slow loading times, even on pages like yours that are all text and very few graphics.

One final comment - Get ready to do LOTS of editing of your code - you've got a mess on your hands.

[phdnofuddy]

Sorry for thinking you were bbauer and not noticing you were "guest"

[bbauer]

Sorry for thinking you were bbauer and not noticing you were "guest"

I have a split personality. One time I am bbauer and then all of a sudden my dual personality kicks in and I am Guest. Then I go get a dose of "login" and viola! I am bbauer again. (LOL)

One problem. I am using netscape 7.1 and it don't have those options you were describing to allow me to turn on debugging.

So now how do I do it?

I did go and run the blogging template through a couple of html validators however and I did find some really serious errors.

The most noticable was that the validatiors wanted to throw out all of the blogging code which makes it work in the first place. So if I followed the advice of the validators I would not have a blog left. Only a few href tags and a couple of

tags and that was about it. A few extra

tags may not be all that pleasing to the debuggers but they sure aren't going to make any difference in the way the template works and they can be handy for inserting text or links or whatever between them.

So after I debugged it I would have had nothing left at all. Nothing would have worked. As it is, despite what the debuggers have to say about it, it is a nice
simple template that produces good results and a nice looking blog.

Quite frankly, since www.blogspot.com was the original inventors of the blog in the first place I have a tendendy to believe that they probably know what they are doing despite what the debuggers have to say about it.

If there were any blogspot debuggers out there that would probably come in pretty handy. As of yet, I haven't found any such animal as that.

My website will undoubtedly be a different situation however, but then I'm not trying to sell or give away my website. So I'll just have to look it over and debug that as time goes by.

I sure do appreciate your comments and if you can tell me how to turn on the debugger in either Netscape or Internet explorer I'll appreciate that a lot. But neither of them has that feature that I oculd find.

[adposter]

This subject was suppose to be meant for my site

http://www.adposter.net

not bbauer's site. Please create another topic if you want your site reviewed. Bbauer, one thing I can remind you is, in your design.

1.) Take off your pop-up ads. Customers get really annoyed with such.

2.) Try to fix your frames, it is sooo much messy.
3.) Fix your javascripts, you have so many bugs in it.
4.) When it comes to blogging, well, traffic is good in it but if there's no inquiry, it's a waste of bandwidth. And Extra bandwidth is extra $$$.

But thanks for the 1st opinion you made.

Jon

This subject was suppose to be meant for my site

http://www.adposter.net[/quote] Much of what I have said about blogging applies to any site.

Please create another topic if you want your site reviewed.Did that too
Bbauer, one thing I can remind you is, in your design.

1.) Take off your pop-up ads. Customers get really annoyed with such. I've tried to do that but can't find the code they are feeding from.


2.) Try to fix your frames, it is sooo much messy.
I really need to learn how to do css and style sheets so I can produce much the same effect without the frames but I have never found a good tutorial that will explain how to do style sheets in such a way that I can understand how they work and how to do them.

3.) Fix your javascripts, you have so many bugs in it. I don't know java and so don't know how to fix them. That is another one I need to learn. And
CGI and several more. I'm 72 years old so I can't go back to school to learn what I need to learn and I just have to struggle along the best I can. Not all that easy.


4.) When it comes to blogging, well, traffic is good in it but if there's no inquiry, it's a waste of bandwidth. And Extra bandwidth is extra $$$.
I am getting some inquiry but am only producing an average income of about $3000 a month from the sales. That's not nearly enough. So I do need to get much better conversion rates from the traffic. Blogging helped to jump the conversion rate quite a bit.

But thanks for the 1st opinion you made.
No problem.


http://billbauer.hypermart.net/oldgeezer.gif (http://www.creditwrench.com)

[4cdmusic]

You may want to consider a clear way for adding links to your site like we have at http://www.4cdmusic.com , on your site I couldn't find a clear procedure, and the contact link is not easy to find. Hope this helps.

[criticman]

Most of the sites of members in this forum look unprofessional and if I were a corporate business person looking to hire the services of web professionals I would not hire any of you because of that fact, even if I had found your sites listed number 1 on all the major search engines.

These days there are so many tricks and schemes for increasing link popularity. Take janeth's site for example. All you need is a page full of reciprocal links and maybe join some program like Traffic Swarm and you can increase your link popularity greatly. But tell me, what kind of professional website development agency would link to other non-professional looking website development companies? Visit www.agency.com or www.circle.com or www.juxtinteractive.com to see how real professional web development agencies market on the strength of their skills and not on reciprocal links and banner exchange programs.

[janeth]

criticman
I notice you do not have a website. We are picky about who we do work for. I'm sure we would not want you as one of our customers and the fack that you do not show your site shows your shame

[janeth]

criticman
after I saw what can of sites you like I have to say thank you for not liking my site

[Kristoff]

not interested in who's site does what...

Web-Traffic = Promotion!

Simple as that!

If you want traffic, and we all do... then you have to promote and there are tons of ways to do it. I'm going to go with Janeth and say the recip linking is the number one way to gain traffic and search engine ranking.

Don’t spam people with requests for links, make a form e-mail with your link info at the bottom and make sure you mention there site in a truly unique way so they know that you are not a spammer but that you wrote the e-mail by hand, then go out searching for your terms on search engines everywhere and anywhere! Every time you find a site you like and you respect and you think people will trust (in the same general type as yours) then ask them to link to you and offer a prominent link on your site in exchange. Be careful though you are creating a relationship between the two of you and you need to keep up your end of the bargain. That means not burying their link in a pool of links, everytime you ad a link, you need to rebuild a little and reorganize.

Do this every day for 1 to 2 hours a day and over time your site will grow with true conversions. Not huge traffic maybe but true sales…

I own/design/run www.aboveallhouseplans.com and have for 7 to 8 years. When I started there were about 15 to 20 house plan sites on the net. Now there are hundreds! With true link partners I am now getting about twice the traffic I was getting in my first 2 years which is about 100 hits a day; however these are people who are really shopping for a house plan so I am busy enough with sales that my site design and updating is suffering for it. And friends that is a good thing!

Good luck and have fun….

[wenwilder]

I just launched a website, and I am having difficulty getting people to this site. I was wondering if you guys have any suggestions on how to help me with it.

site is at

http://www.adposter.net

I sometimes wonder if this business is even viable nowadays because I just took so much time and effort now it's slow.

Thank you for the suggestions,
JP

Any business is viable, but success doesn't happen overnight.

Just a few thoughts....

Logo looks a bit fuzzy. Text is a bit small. Some thumbnails are hard to define with a glance. Take the coma's out of your keywords and find added words or descriptions for: ="keywords" CONTENT="classified ad resource, top e-classified ad services, e-classified ad poster, collectible ad placements, eclassified ad provider, top bargain classified eads(?), best classified e-posting, adposter.net, colorful e-classified ad, merchandise e-classified ad, adposter, online e-classifieds, e-careers placements, e-fsbo. Repetition is not a plus, it's a minus.

You have a great site, with potential....add a little tweaking and you're on your way.

Just a few thoughts. ;)

[adposter]

You may want to consider a clear way for adding links to your site like we have at http://www.4cdmusic.com , on your site I couldn't find a clear procedure, and the contact link is not easy to find. Hope this helps.

I am actually going to re-work my links page, that section needs to be re-organized. By the way, I visited your site and I too am having difficulty finding your contact information. Once i've re-worked my site, you can re-visit it again and have your site link to mine. And maybe mine to yours too.

Thanks,
Jon

[adposter]

I just launched a website, and I am having difficulty getting people to this site. I was wondering if you guys have any suggestions on how to help me with it.

site is at

http://www.adposter.net

I sometimes wonder if this business is even viable nowadays because I just took so much time and effort now it's slow.

Thank you for the suggestions,
JP

Any business is viable, but success doesn't happen overnight.

Just a few thoughts....

Logo looks a bit fuzzy. Text is a bit small. Some thumbnails are hard to define with a glance. Take the coma's out of your keywords and find added words or descriptions for: ="keywords" CONTENT="classified ad resource, top e-classified ad services, e-classified ad poster, collectible ad placements, eclassified ad provider, top bargain classified eads(?), best classified e-posting, adposter.net, colorful e-classified ad, merchandise e-classified ad, adposter, online e-classifieds, e-careers placements, e-fsbo. Repetition is not a plus, it's a minus.

You have a great site, with potential....add a little tweaking and you're on your way.

Just a few thoughts. ;)


So far my rankings are high. I have no complains about it. But thanks for the uplifting words you said about any business in general, and yes, it does take time and it doesn't take overnight to get things going. So yes, i'm keeping things up and going and tweaking stuff that needs to be done. I'll re-check on what you suggested. The thumnails size is actually very well viewed on 800x600 resolution which is a majority of resolutions being viewed at by most users. Furthermore, the text might be a little small unless you're viewing it on 1280x1024, but in actuality it's the same font size as what you're reading now on this forum. Thanks for the help eh!

Cheers!
Jon
http://www.qworkz.net/personal/jonme.jpg

[adposter]

This subject was suppose to be meant for my site

http://www.adposter.net Much of what I have said about blogging applies to any site.

Please create another topic if you want your site reviewed.Did that too
Bbauer, one thing I can remind you is, in your design.

1.) Take off your pop-up ads. Customers get really annoyed with such. I've tried to do that but can't find the code they are feeding from.


2.) Try to fix your frames, it is sooo much messy.
I really need to learn how to do css and style sheets so I can produce much the same effect without the frames but I have never found a good tutorial that will explain how to do style sheets in such a way that I can understand how they work and how to do them.

3.) Fix your javascripts, you have so many bugs in it. I don't know java and so don't know how to fix them. That is another one I need to learn. And
CGI and several more. I'm 72 years old so I can't go back to school to learn what I need to learn and I just have to struggle along the best I can. Not all that easy.


4.) When it comes to blogging, well, traffic is good in it but if there's no inquiry, it's a waste of bandwidth. And Extra bandwidth is extra $$$.
I am getting some inquiry but am only producing an average income of about $3000 a month from the sales. That's not nearly enough. So I do need to get much better conversion rates from the traffic. Blogging helped to jump the conversion rate quite a bit.

But thanks for the 1st opinion you made.
No problem.


http://billbauer.hypermart.net/oldgeezer.gif (http://www.creditwrench.com)[/quote]

No offense buddy, just want to make sure, we're not getting people off topic here eh! Anyways, if you were going to re-design your site, i'd suggest to try and stay away from too much CSS positioning. Because of the fact that CSS is still undergoing so many developments, it might screw up your web designs, especially layers. I wouldn't mind if it was the use of font coloring and sizing and other stuff, but when it comes to positioning, you'd have to make sure that every browser will be compatible with the kind of CSS (Cascading Style Sheets) positioning you'll be using. They're very useful but they have limitations as well. And it's not as easy as it seems, even the pop-up menu I created on my site which involved CSS and Layering, wasn't so easy. I had to make sure, each position was accurate with the kind of browser it will be viewed on. I would rather use tables but be very aware of tables that it does slow the loading of pages and if you have nested tables then it surely will take time. I wouldn't suggest using frames either because Search Engines hate it. And most users get annoyed if they click a link part of frame instead of the main frame of the site instead. And Search Engines don't really care if you have frames or not. In fact frames are now a thing of the past. Take a look at this forum for instance, it doesn't even have any frames. And it rocks!!! It probably has nested tables but hey, better than frames. Flash is good, but if you're gonna have a website full of flash pages, forget getting ranked high. Anyways, those are what i've experienced so...any other suggestions or tips. It's all welcome!



Cheers!
Jon

[httpman]

hello there

I have add another answer to this post, which will be out of the initial topic - sorry adposter. Just a few answers to BBauer :

* Netscape : just type "javascript:" in the adress box (without the quotes of course but with the ending ":"), and you will open a javascript debugger window

* your site have a least 2 javascript errors, on lines 142 (var popup="...) and 583 (var tag = "<A...). Both start with a ", but they are forced to a new line before reaching the required final ".

* the popup window comes from the line 569 (<script src="http://count.exitexchange.com/js/1199017" language="JavaScript1.1"...). Just remove this line, and popups will disappear (maybe not a good idea ? today your popups display nice images !).

Well, that's very technical but I have found no other place where to post those quick answers. Sorry again adposter.

JP

[bluejays6]

I have the same sort of problem, getting people to my site. I was unfamiliar with blogs, so am reading all your posts on this subject. I'm curious, do most of you think it is a good idea to make a blog? It seems that some of the traffic that I do get to my site, comes from the webrings I'm a member of. Thank you!

Julie

[bbauer]

I have the same sort of problem, getting people to my site. I was unfamiliar with blogs, so am reading all your posts on this subject. I'm curious, do most of you think it is a good idea to make a blog? It seems that some of the traffic that I do get to my site, comes from the webrings I'm a member of. Thank you!

Julie

Webrings are good too. I use them and I just stumbled on to a new thing called klips. I don't even know how to describe them yet but they are a desktop application
that you can customize for your website or blog and customize them using an xml editor such as cooktop.exe and apparently you can get an awful lot of traffic from those. It is all so new to me yet that I can't really post with any kind of authority as of yet. The thing that is impressive to me is that
you can customize your klips for keywords of your choice and your klip will search for those keywords in search engines and any time something new is added you will get a notification on your desktop.

It may take me a couple of days or so to really get into these klips and get them working so that I can post with authority on them. When I do I will come back in and let you all in on what it is and how it works and more importantly how to make it work for you.

What I have actually done is to include a 5th lesson in the blogs@autobotinfo.com series that discusses all of this new information and gives a download for one of the programs you will need to implement this new resource and then references to the various websites and programs you will need so that you can get it all right from the horse's mouth and learn about it better that way and do so in a much shorter period of time.

That's better than posting all of the links in here.

[criticman]

Janet said "criticman, after I saw what can of sites you like I have to say thank you for not liking my site..."

Criticman replies:

With clients like VW, Shimano, Bandai, Kawasaki, 3M, British Airways, Hitachi, SONY, Guiness, IBM, Microsoft, Peugeot, Symantec and Verizon, I would have thought that the success of those agencies I referred to would speak for itself. It doesn't even matter what an individual like me thinks. Agencies like these ARE successful primarily because they understand something that many so-called designers cannot even comprehend - BRAND IDENTITY. Designing (for the web or any other medium) involves more than just knowing how to use a software package and write (or copy) HTML.

If I were you I wouldn't worry about whether I like your site or not. The "kind of sites I like" are also obviously the kind of sites that companies such as those mentioned above also like.

I have not included a URL because I do not want my personal opinions and feelings to be taken as the opinions and feelings of the company I work for.

[wenwilder]

You list a lot of well known corporations, but I have to ask.....are their sites really making them money?

I've seen large corporations throw almost endless streams of money at a webdesigner for the "perfect" website, and just keep losing money.

There is no such thing as the perfect website. Every webdesigner has their pluses and their minuses.

The one thing that everyone should learn is that you will never, ever make everyone happy!

Just a thought. ;)

[janeth]

I agree there is no way to make everyone happy. But to come to the form with
Here is a quote on the very first post of
criticman
Most of the sites of members in this forum look unprofessional and if I were a corporate business person looking to hire the services of web professionals I would not hire any of you because of that fact, even if I had found your sites listed number 1 on all the major search engines.

I think it is sad to waste our time or yours with post like this. It means nothing because you want to be ugly and rude to 10,000 people at one time. You have no site that you are willing to let any one else see. You have posted twice with comments that are a waste of time.

[fathom]

A good discussion if not a bit argumentative.

criticman although I agree that brand identity is quite powerful, there are also many examples of non-graphical interface/dynamic designs that are primarily text based sites and do excellently well with brand BLA!.

Reasoning... brand isn't but looks, it's all about credibility, integrity and trust.

[TrafficProducer]

How to advertise websites. Methods of internet advertising and promotion. Here are some advertising methods that you may have considered to promote websites.

http://www.solutions.ukdots.com/advertising_methods.html

[Lando]

Well.. I don't THINK this was mentioned in any other posts, but I did notice that you have the following robots text:

<meta NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="INDEX, NOFOLLOW">

NOFOLLOW?? I'd want that darn 'bot going to every page I have! :) Unless you have a reason for it.... well... your'e cutting off more potential pages for SE's to spider if they reach that page first.

Also, just a side-note, I notice you used 'classified at least 8 times in your 14 keywords. That MAY be considered 'spamming' of keywords, as it's over 50% used.

Just my thoughts. Any one else know better, please feel free to correct me!

Lando

[cmason]

Do you have any type of webstats that you can review regarding your site? Also, why is your robots.txt file set up the way it is? I can help you with Search Engine Placement. What are your positions in the search engines, are you targeting the correct keyword/keyword phrases that the user would be looking for your service. There are a lot of factors you need to consider. I would be happy to speak with you!

[adposter]

cmason wrote:
Do you have any type of webstats that you can review regarding your site? Also, why is your robots.txt file set up the way it is? I can help you with Search Engine Placement. What are your positions in the search engines, are you targeting the correct keyword/keyword phrases that the user would be looking for your service. There are a lot of factors you need to consider. I would be happy to speak with you!

Lando wrote:
Well.. I don't THINK this was mentioned in any other posts, but I did notice that you have the following robots text:

<meta NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="INDEX, NOFOLLOW">

NOFOLLOW?? I'd want that darn 'bot going to every page I have! :) Unless you have a reason for it.... well... your'e cutting off more potential pages for SE's to spider if they reach that page first.



I do have my own webstats that i can review regarding my site. Also my robots.txt is okay. I've checked it and it's optimized for all search engine crawlers. Well I sure don't mind suggestions regarding SE Optimization, but my page is already ranking high in search engines. Consider the keyword report link generated below:

http://www.adposter.net/web/report/adposter/Concise-6.htm

With regards to the <META TAG> I had, with the "index, nofollow". The reason behind that is because most crawlers lists pages that are not suppose to be listed in search engines. If you have a secure page then you surely don't want that crawled by the spider. So that's why I included that "index, nofollow". You see, I don't think it's the search engine is the main issue here. There's that saying "Content is King". If content sucks, no traffic. It's funny though, even though the service is so affordable, people seem skeptic about it.

I mean getting a member for 1 year for just $10.00 dollars and post unlimited ads is like posting ads for only 83 cents/year. And a lot of classified advertising companies there charge $5.00-$30.00/month just to get someone listed to their ads. And the ad circulation is only for about a week or 2 weeks. And there are those who charge FREE but the quality of the way their ads when posted is so bad that the ad gets pushed way down below that no people could even see it.

I'm thinking of how else can I tweak my site to improve services. And it's not just getting listed to search engines, but getting the word out there to let people see what you do. Eventhough I know they say that 85% of internet users use the search engine to find information and businesses, and i've read tons of books about it. Getting the word out offline is still the best way. A lot of people think that once you get listed in search engines you can sit tight and merry go yonder. But that's not the case. Getting a business on the internet running is just as difficult as running a general business, especially with the kind of economy the world has.

Nevertheless, i'm thankful for suggestions.

Thanks,
Jon

[TrafficProducer]

How to advertise websites. Methods of internet advertising and promotion. Here are some advertising methods that you may have considered to promote websites.

http://www.solutions.ukdots.com/advertising_methods.html

[bbauer]

Well, I'm back again. (LOL)
I finally picked up a program called xml spy and I used it and in a round about way it found all or most of my errors and java script troubles I was having on my website. I even found a work around for the frames on my site too.

So if some of you can check out my http://www.creditwerench.com for me and see if you think I have improved things or not I would appreciate it.

And yes, I'm the guy with the blogs. (LOL)
5 of them as of right now and I am thinking of putting up another one yet but I'm going to go slow with that.

I've just about got more on my plate than I can say grace over right now anyway.

Thanks folks.
YOu have been very helpful.

I hope that I have returned some of the favors I have received here on this forum with my instructional set on how to do blogs. My autoresponder at blogs@autobotinfo.com has been going nuts trying to answer all the demands for my free lessons on how to build and run a blog.

[adposter]

Well, I'm back again. (LOL)
I finally picked up a program called xml spy and I used it and in a round about way it found all or most of my errors and java script troubles I was having on my website. I even found a work around for the frames on my site too.

So if some of you can check out my http://www.creditwerench.com for me and see if you think I have improved things or not I would appreciate it.

And yes, I'm the guy with the blogs. (LOL)
5 of them as of right now and I am thinking of putting up another one yet but I'm going to go slow with that.

I've just about got more on my plate than I can say grace over right now anyway.

Thanks folks.
YOu have been very helpful.

I hope that I have returned some of the favors I have received here on this forum with my instructional set on how to do blogs. My autoresponder at blogs@autobotinfo.com has been going nuts trying to answer all the demands for my free lessons on how to build and run a blog.

Your site looks better now! Whew, no more bugs finally! Site looks great! About that blogs you were talking about, do I still need a program to read them or what?

Jon

[bbauer]

The template I am "promoting" goes on www.blogspot.com and nowhere else. The code is unique to that site. You have to go to www.blogger.com to put the code into the system.

There are many other blog hosting companies out there but blogspot.com was the original inventors of the blog concept and as near as I am able to determine from public comments they are probably one of the best out there if not the best.

I've never tried any of the other hosting companies but I have seen lots of negative comments on most of them from time to time.

Different bugs and problems each has that are unique to them. That's not to say that blogger.com don't have their problems too but all in all their service seems pretty good and with relatively few problems.

I've seen some go try radiouserland and some ore of them and just come back to blogger complaining about whatever. Never paid any attention to what their complaints were, just the fact that they were complaining.

[adposter]

I wonder if any of you have checked to see if my site is fast enough to serve clients. Can you guys let me know if it's running okay.

Thanks,
Jon

[bbauer]

I wonder if any of you have checked to see if my site is fast enough to serve clients. Can you guys let me know if it's running okay.

Thanks,
JonSeems to be running fast enough but I see that you are not making max use of alt tags. Why not?

[adposter]

I wonder if any of you have checked to see if my site is fast enough to serve clients. Can you guys let me know if it's running okay.

Thanks,
JonSeems to be running fast enough but I see that you are not making max use of alt tags. Why not?

In what part did I not use alt tags? I seem to have used the alt tags on images that are relevant for positioning, I don't think i've missed anything else? Please let me know where I missed part of it? By the way, do you know any sites that has tons of newsfeeds where I could use for my site to plug in? Furthermore I also have a forum page, but I'm still thinking of what to put in the forum page since most of the topics are listed in this site already. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jon

[adposter]

Can anyone else check and see if the site is loading at the right speed?

Thanks,
Jon

[bbauer]

If you go to google or any of the engines and do a search for "syndicators" you will find a ton of them. Some are free and some you have to pay for.

[adposter]

If you go to google or any of the engines and do a search for "syndicators" you will find a ton of them. Some are free and some you have to pay for.

Thanks bbauer, i'll check into that. Right now i've made some modifications on the site. The site now expands when the browser gets maximized. Furthermore, it gives me more room for additional web resources on the right side panel of the site.

I also developed this site, check it out and let me know what you guys think about the design.

recent website developed (http://www.covenantchristian.com/index_flash.html)

I'm also working on another site right now, I'll let you guys know when it's in production.

Thanks,
Jon

[adposter]

I have finally updated my Web Links. Anyone interested in adding their site to mine can visit my site and click on Biz Link. Fill up the form and automatically link your site. Linking to my site is FREE.

If anyone is interested in getting traffic. Or increase their link popularity.


Thanks,
Jon

[bbauer]

Here is something I just ran into that might help some folks.

Its free and has a few hidden benefits that don't immediately show up until you really study it closely but the immediate benefits are very obvious.

http://www.backflip.com/dir_folders.ihtml?folder=12553406

enjoy
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[cwk]

That's what you will get if you don't use your own service.
WOW ... what an opportunity you have of using your very own service to advertise your site THEN to brag about how good the service is with another ad.
Your wording is going to have to be catchy, make sure you don't use words like "free, fastest, best, discount, biggest" ... these words have no credibility ... you need to have a title that will catch the eye of the reader and WANT TO MAKE THEM GO TO YOUR SITE.

[adposter]

That's what you will get if you don't use your own service.
WOW ... what an opportunity you have of using your very own service to advertise your site THEN to brag about how good the service is with another ad.
Your wording is going to have to be catchy, make sure you don't use words like "free, fastest, best, discount, biggest" ... these words have no credibility ... you need to have a title that will catch the eye of the reader and WANT TO MAKE THEM GO TO YOUR SITE.


??????? huh??? Your point?

[bbauer]

You mean titles like:

"No prescription necessary"
or

"Increase the size of your member"

I get so many of those dang emails I could scream.

(LOL)

[admin20]

You mean titles like:

"No prescription necessary"
or

"Increase the size of your member"

I get so many of those dang emails I could scream.

(LOL)

Yeah I get lots of those. It's pretty annoying eh. Especially when they keep on sending it to you!

Jon
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[bbauer]

I'm almost of a mind I'd rather get the virus emails than the sex junk. At least I know what they are in advance. But the porncakes are worse because of their penchant for deceiving subject lines.

(LOL)

[adposter]

I'm almost of a mind I'd rather get the virus emails than the sex junk. At least I know what they are in advance. But the porncakes are worse because of their penchant for deceiving subject lines.

(LOL)

I'm just glad though that Microsoft is shutting down it's chat services on the other parts of the country. Due to the increase of sexual offenders, it's good that these perverts would no longer have access to destroy innocent teenagers from luring them to their trap. It would be great if it would be shut down here too in North America because the lifestyle here is that SEX is a big thing you know. I am not yet a parent, and thank God I have not yet been appointed to be one as of yet. But for parents, it's a big concern. And I'm sure, for all parents, they wouldn't want their kids being messed up by some stranger they met over the net who would lure them from such activities. Teens getting involved and having multiple partners, which makes the moral of humans as monkeys like an animal or beast, and as what science says, since people evolved from apes and monkeys--(which i'm not cause I believe in God)--....might as well act like one. It's just not right. It just destroys the moral quality of people.

Media affects the people about what they show you know. For instance, did you saw the commercial of diet Coke, what it says after the presentation..."do what feels good". I mean, that is the craziest thing ever been said on commercial TV by Coke. They're basically promoting what feels good to people eventhough morally it's not right. No matter what it says, I don't agree with that commercial at all. It's stupid and a lot of people especially teens, would take that literally and follow what was said. Whoever thought of that Coke commercial, is sure is an immature person and is one to be blamed for the downward spiral of moral quality of society. It's just evil. The worse thing is, the movie and music industry make of the Devil as some hero now. Like the movie, Daredevil. Other movies that violate moral relationships of people as entertainment like Temptation Island, Jerry Springer etc. etc. Instead of showing how to help individuals cope up with the day to day difficulties of life. They make it even more worse as if it was an entertainment or something, seeing someone getting broken is an entertainment. I guess it shows how deep crap is the moral of people because they think it's good when it's not. They go for what they feel eventhough morally it's wrong. Common sense, if anyone really has brains to understand wisdom then they should know about it. If it's wrong don't do it, eventhough it feels or would feel good.

Anyways, didn't mean to get off topic, but just had to blurt out some concerns I have for the life of kids facing nowadays. And as for parents or concerned individuals, they must teach kids to avoid getting themselves caught rather protect themselves from these people involve to such things.

Jon

[bbauer]

How to get rid of the pill and other objectionable ads.

Here is a new spam fighting technique.

In Netscape (latest editions) you can set up a message filter so that it will delete any incoming email that already has a card in your address book. So, if you put somebody's address in your address book
and you get another email from them it is instantly vaporized. So you put in all the ***** pill pushers and anybody else you wish you had never heard from and you will never hear from them again. And yes, you do get an awfully huge address book before long, but so what?

That works just fine so long as you don't have a virus infection that harvests email addresses and sends out copies of itself.

If you get any virus infected emails and are using Norton or another virus killer that pops up a description of the infected email you put in a card for that emailer as well. Do that while it is still in front of you and before you click it off your screen.

And if you get infected by a virus, guess who gets all those infected emails? Yep!
All those spammers and the guy that sent you the virus as well!

In time, the first guy who started the virus in the first place would probably start getting infected with his own virus.

And of course, most of the emailers have noreply email addys so they bounce and you get a mailer daemon message back telling you it was undeliverable so you put the mailer daemon in your address book too.

If we had a few thousand people doing that we would most likely get rid of spam and virus at the same time.

(LOL)

[adposter]

How to get rid of the pill and other objectionable ads.

Here is a new spam fighting technique.

In Netscape (latest editions) you can set up a message filter so that it will delete any incoming email that already has a card in your address book. So, if you put somebody's address in your address book
and you get another email from them it is instantly vaporized. So you put in all the ***** pill pushers and anybody else you wish you had never heard from and you will never hear from them again. And yes, you do get an awfully huge address book before long, but so what?

That works just fine so long as you don't have a virus infection that harvests email addresses and sends out copies of itself.

If you get any virus infected emails and are using Norton or another virus killer that pops up a description of the infected email you put in a card for that emailer as well. Do that while it is still in front of you and before you click it off your screen.

And if you get infected by a virus, guess who gets all those infected emails? Yep!
All those spammers and the guy that sent you the virus as well!

In time, the first guy who started the virus in the first place would probably start getting infected with his own virus.

And of course, most of the emailers have noreply email addys so they bounce and you get a mailer daemon message back telling you it was undeliverable so you put the mailer daemon in your address book too.

If we had a few thousand people doing that we would most likely get rid of spam and virus at the same time.

(LOL)

That's why it's important to have the virus db list updated daily. Some spammers just send you bunch of junk HTML files not even compliant with the latest client mail programs, so what you end up getting is just a bunch scattered HTML tags in the message.

I've also received this junk e-mail from some african guy who needs some assistance with some inheritance or something. And in order to do that, you'll give them your bank account or something to support them or something. I mean c'mon who in the world would give access to someone's bank account from a stranger. Lots of scam nowadays just to survive...and all the rich people take all the money for themselves.

Jon

[bbauer]

No matter how silly it may seem, one has to realize that the South African diamond mine scam has to be getting some results for somebody. Who would give a stranger access to their bank accounts or send them money as a "deposit" hoping to get a zillion dollars back in return? Well, if they weren't getting at least a few suckers they surely would not be wasting their time doing it now would they?

It is something like the idea that the screen saver programs you can get into can't possibly work because obviously if their screen saver comes on then nobody is there to see the screen saver anyway so it is just a waste of time to fool with the screen saver programs.
Only a fool would spend time trying to promote their website with a stupid screen saver program, right?

Well let me tell you about that. I put up a webpage on Saturday Nov. 8th and got into this screen saver program with another old 266 computer that can't even get on the internet by itself anymore so it has to be behind a router in order to access the internet. And I put it on the screen saver program. The sole purpose of the screen saver web site is to direct traffic to my main page. Today is the 14th of November, 6 days later and I've had more than 2,000 hits on my main webpage that came from the webpage my
screen saver is promoting and my orders have also increased fairly dramatically. So even though nobody is watching their computer when the screen saver activates it works real well for me. Must be gremlins
causing the hits then, eh???? (LOL)

I've got 3 computers up now doing the same thing but promoting different webpages and they are all getting
comparable results.

If you want to learn how to do it then visit my blog (http://libertarianok.blogspot.com) and the instructions are there to show you
how to do it. And it is all for free. No hidden costs except the electricity to run the program and whatever it takes to set up an old computer to do it.

I spent $20 to buy the old computer a long time ago so I already had it set up and running. It did cost me more back when because it didn't have any memory in it and it didn't have a hard drive nor a nic card so I added those in. A 3 or 4 gig hard drive can be had for $5 or $10 and a buck or so for the nic card and that is all it takes. So if you have some old computer laying around gathering dust then use that.

Just like nobody would be stupid enough to fall for one of those ripoff South African emails nobody would be stupid enough to waste time trying to promote their website with a screen saver program because nobody sits around watching their screen savers, but the truth of the matter most likely is that people do
fall for those scams and people obviously must be watching their screen savers too or else I wouldn't be getting so many hits from the screensaver program.

Just goes to show how wrong first impressions can be sometimes. (LOL)

[adposter]

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Jon