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JuniorOnline
07-11-2005, 08:12 AM
Hi All,
How Can I check if MSN has indexed my pages?
thanks,
Tania
DMC_34
07-11-2005, 08:44 AM
site:yourdomain
You should check your web stats.
JuniorOnline
07-11-2005, 09:54 AM
I did do both of these - and it does show that it has been indexed. But when using the following site: http://www.golexa.com/ it says that it hasnt.
i guess if both of my web logs and the MSN search shows me as indexed then I am right?
DMC_34
07-11-2005, 10:09 AM
The proper syntax is site:www.golexa.com (http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=MSNH&srch_type=0&q=site%3Awww.golexa.com)
1 page indexed.
DMC
itsmani1
07-16-2005, 11:21 AM
The proper syntax is site:www.golexa.com (http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=MSNH&srch_type=0&q=site%3Awww.golexa.com)
1 page indexed.
DMC
sorry pzl.
what do u mean?
DMC_34
07-16-2005, 06:39 PM
The proper syntax is site:www.golexa.com (http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=MSNH&srch_type=0&q=site%3Awww.golexa.com)
1 page indexed.
DMC
sorry pzl.
what do u mean?
Search on MSN with for the following: site:www.golexa.com
or just click the link above. 1 result = 1 page indexed by MSN
DMC
dburdon
07-17-2005, 05:32 PM
Download Firefox browser
Download SEOpen
Rightclick on any page. Then check indexed pages.
dburdon
07-19-2005, 03:12 PM
It may be just coincidence, but the MSN SERPs seem to respond to my posts about MSN.
frontman
07-20-2005, 10:48 AM
MSN responds when you post on this board? Explain...please,,,,,
dburdon
07-20-2005, 06:13 PM
Frontman,
without a doubt the MSN spider seems to be voracious. If you post anything; here on WebProWorld, on a blog or even on an obscure links page, it seems to pick it up much faster than either Google or Yahoo.
1. Just check the IBLs .
2. Check the impact on the rankings.
I have some amazing rankings on MSN.com for material I've only posted in recent weeks and days. At the other extreme Google seems incredibly pedestrian and complacent.
frontman
07-20-2005, 07:08 PM
Frontman,
without a doubt the MSN spider seems to be voracious. If you post anything; here on WebProWorld, on a blog or even on an obscure links page, it seems to pick it up much faster than either Google or Yahoo.
1. Just check the IBLs .
2. Check the impact on the rankings.
I have some amazing rankings on MSN.com for material I've only posted in recent weeks and days. At the other extreme Google seems incredibly pedestrian and complacent.
I know you are right..MSN just seems to be the one SE that we have problems getting links into..even though I believe they are easy to get listed in..their system in recent weeks seems to be all over the board...I didnt know if you had found some secret tool to get links within MSN or it was just form being picked up on the board. Google IBLs are all over the board also but noticed in the recent update that we only picked up 3...believe it should have been more like 30....crazy business..thanks for the info..
brian.mark
07-20-2005, 09:07 PM
They were the first to notice the links that Danny Sullivan placed on the site showing that I'll be presenting in San Jose, but we noticed the largest impact in Google from those links. Terms we've never been top 100 for (traffic terms, not conversion terms) we're now seeing first page. It did, however, take MSN 3 days fewer to see those links.
Brian.
frontman
07-20-2005, 10:14 PM
does MSN update links more then G?
brian.mark
07-20-2005, 10:18 PM
Depends on what you mean. Google updates links for their algo continually. So does MSN. MSN shows the links much sooner. Google only shows new links at a lengthy interval (every so many weeks / months / feels like years). However, if you look at the cached version of a page, you can see if the link is in their cache or not to determine if it is being figured in to the algo.
Brian.
frontman
07-20-2005, 10:25 PM
guess it just seems more difficult to get links into MSN or maybe it is just that the backlinks are more difficult to get into MSN then G..just our exp...not like I am a senior web guy by any means but just what we have seen lately
brian.mark
07-20-2005, 10:35 PM
guess it just seems more difficult to get links into MSN or maybe it is just that the backlinks are more difficult to get into MSN then G..just our exp...not like I am a senior web guy by any means but just what we have seen lately
I can't say if any of the search engines are easy / hard to get into. Our site has been around long enough that it is just there without any effort. Ah, the luxuries of having a site that's been around since 1998.
Brian.
frontman
07-20-2005, 10:36 PM
very true...nothing is easy
DMC_34
07-21-2005, 04:04 AM
I can't say if any of the search engines are easy / hard to get into. Our site has been around long enough that it is just there without any effort. Ah, the luxuries of having a site that's been around since 1998.
Brian.
This is so true. Especially when it comes to Google and rankings.
DMC
dburdon
07-23-2005, 02:45 PM
MSN's crawl cycle appears much faster and more responsive than either Google and Yahoo. One advantage of this has been shown with the rapid breaking of news and information concerning the recent incidents in London and other places.
If MSN keep this up, they'll gain a critical competitive edge in the battle for search engine market share.
This useful free online tool verifies your rank on many search engines including MSN for the keywords you want.
http://www.instantposition.com/keyword_verification.cfm
dburdon
07-25-2005, 04:33 PM
XMX,
excellent recommendation. A good suite of reasonably practical tools.
MtraX
07-27-2005, 09:03 AM
One of our sites are indexed on MSN, but the ranking has recently dropped out of the top few pages for all competitive terms. I'm not really worried since we get nost traffic from Google, but every little bit helps, right?
dburdon
07-27-2005, 02:38 PM
MtraX,
beware of the Google monopoly.
Although its easy for SEOs and website owners to focus almost exclusively on Google, I do not believe its in our own long term interests for Google to maintain its current progress. In what other industry - especially a media industry - would an organisation get away with such secrecy and anti-competitive practises such as the sand box?
Although MSN, Yahoo and, to a lesser extent, Ask are part of multi-billion dollar organisations, we need to augment their market position to prevent Google abusing their market ascendancy.
Oligopoly is infinitely preferable to monopoly.
By the way. Best of luck with the Tri-Nations.
MtraX
07-28-2005, 03:01 AM
Hi
Exactly why I posted my question. We're obviously trying to to as good as possible in all major SEs, but I was concerned to see that whilst one can rank so well in one, the other doesn't bother to rank well on those terms, so I'm curious to find out tips and tricks for good listings in MSN.
We do have many backlinks listed within MSN, but the ranking's just not there. Are there any good threads specifically for good ranking practises in MSN out here anyone?
Hey D, we're on fire at the moment, this weekend's game's going to be the indicator of things to come, either way ;-)
dburdon
07-28-2005, 12:07 PM
Mtrax,
I've got a coupleof numer ones with MSN. One for a quite a 4 month old site in a highly competitive search space.
See this example:
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=MSNH&srch_type=0&q=spanish+villa+rental
The site got there on MSN via a combination of meta tags, content and links. Not such an original combination. The site does ok on Yahoo but is in the sand box for Google.
But my remarks about the speed of MSN indexing sites seems to pay off for this site.
P.S. watch out for the Aussie backlash.
MtraX
07-28-2005, 01:01 PM
Thanx. Weird though since I have efficient backlinks and optimised pages... Will check out your site.
Regards
MtraX
PS - The boks will rule! Gotta stay positive man!
MtraX
07-28-2005, 01:23 PM
What's the value of using the abstract meta tag?
brian.mark
07-28-2005, 02:58 PM
What's the value of using the abstract meta tag?
Nothing in MSN, Yahoo, or Google. Some smaller engines look at them for providing a snippet, but they are such low traffic anyway that it doesn't make much difference.
Hard to say what you need to do for sure, but one thing to look at is doing too much. I mean you should try overdoing it. MSN doesn't have a SPAM filter, and Google really only cares about links, so use the keywords more than you think necessary and see how that works.
I've used terms as high as 35% KWD and had top rankings there. Most aren't that bad, but with enough images you can really get some odd KWD numbers. I generally make a rule of no less than 4 occurrences and no less than 3% KWD for MSN right now, but that tends to occur naturally anyway when you're doing SEO. If my rankings drop, I try adding the phrase once more on the page. Usually puts me back up to the top in our market.
Brian.
MtraX
07-29-2005, 11:36 AM
Hey Brian
Thanx for the reply. I'll keep that in mind.
Regards
MtraX
dburdon
07-30-2005, 07:32 PM
Mtrax,
almost by accident my sites seem to rank better with MSN than with Google or Yahoo. It seems the MSN approach is more orthodox.
PS. Nice drop goal to seal today's match.
MtraX
08-01-2005, 08:03 AM
Hi
I've noticed that. I'll just keep priming and monitor to see what works.
BTW, thanx, what a match!
Regards
MtraX
onelife
08-07-2005, 03:39 AM
I must admit MSN just confuses me. With our site www.thehealthzone.co.uk It shows that we have around 284 backlinks but only 4 indexed pages, which when you have over 12000 is not very many, yet the site is 2 years old.
In google on the other had we have 12000 indexed pages and plenty of backlinks.
Any reason why MSN just isn't crawling?
Cheers!
JuniorOnline
08-23-2005, 08:34 AM
when exchanging links - do they have to be relevant?
I read in one of the forums that although it's favourable and better for my customers to see relevant links - at the end of the day it's how google ranks you according to the no. of people linking back to you and not to the relevancy.
what do u think?
brian.mark
08-23-2005, 11:15 AM
when exchanging links - do they have to be relevant?
I read in one of the forums that although it's favourable and better for my customers to see relevant links - at the end of the day it's how google ranks you according to the no. of people linking back to you and not to the relevancy.
what do u think?
It's not necessary. It's most certainly a guideline. Just know that off-topic links still count, but not as much. A page / site talking about fruit linking to a site talking about cars could be relevant (cars can be lemons, right?), but it's probably not what the visitors want. That means that the engines are doing everything they can to realize that's just a silly, non-related link randomly placed for no real reason and it shouldn't count for much. If that site talking about cars links to a loan site, that's relevant since loans are needed (in most cases) to buy a car.
Engines aren't totally there yet, but they're sure working on discounting links that don't make sense. It's happened in a few industries so you may not see the effects yet, but eventually you will. Future-proof your website by staying relevant with the links you get as much as possible.
Brian.