I think I've been Google Axed or Google Dropped, HELP?

[CareyParker]

I'm an amateure web designer and have built a rather large web site over the years and have paid some attention to SEO techniques. I've enjoyed high search engine ranking for key words in Google and all of a sudden my site has mysteriously disappeared from Google (yet it still ranks in Alta Vista, and Yahoo). I'm reading that my site may have been "blacklisted" and I'll probably never a get a response from Google to know why, but the site does show up in the date base when I search in the google lookup tool, however, it's nowhere to be found any more in page rankings. I did have some pages that were considered duplicate pages with "forms" attached to them but had different titles on them and am curious to know if this got me into some kind of trouble with Google. I wasn't aware that this was going to create a problem. My site is content rich. Each page has its own title tags. Can anyone help out here. My site is my livelihood and how can I get Google to get it back into their search engine?

Can anyone help me, please? I have TWO sites that have disappeared at the same time it seems.
www.deserthomestoday.com is the main site.

Curiously my "blog site" I just started has ALSO disappeared. The "typepad" blog site at http://deserthomestoday.blogs.com/ The "blog" site is maintained by Typepad and I'm at a loss as to why this site has completely disappeared.

Thanks. Carey Parker

[cspelts]

At one point I had some duplicate content and Google chose to show the first page it found, and drop the second - they didn't drop both.

That said, Google is showing 877 pages for deserthomestoday.com - and I see what you mean about the forms. There is very little unique content on those pages. It does look spammy and could explain your drop.

Also, if you use this tool it looks like some of the data centers are showing 61 and others 96 backlinks for your site. I'd wait until that stabilizes before making any drastic changes.
http://www.mcdar.net/q-check/datatool.asp

[wrmineo]

As usual, cspelts has clearly and concisely hit the proverbial nail upon its head - don't over react and do more harm than good. With the recent "fluxes" in Google, it's very possible all will be well in the long run; could take a month to know for sure.

IF things don't begin to shake out back into your favor, you may want to exclude the forms from being crawled and cached to help make sure you don't get penalized for the points you're already aware of and cspelts confirms.

Good Luck!
w®m

[CareyParker]

That's interesting, thanks. Now I understand what backlinks are... That's a good thing, right?

If the blog site contains links to the main site, would Google consider these "mirror sites" and/or duplicate content?

What's wrong with having more than one web site on the Internet? Each of the sites are being used for different marketing purposes. One is a blog site, the other is for marketing but they are connected.

Could "someone" have possible reported my site as "spam"?

I just don't understand -- what really is considered "duplicate content" to be considered "spammy"? Thanks!

[cspelts]

I haven't looked at your blog - but when I said duplicate content I meant the multiple pages with forms on your main site. If the blog is *truly* unique in content, then it is not a problem - just don't overlink between the two! A few times is natural, many times is spammy.

Backlinks are links from other sites to you - and they're very good to have!

[CareyParker]

Hi Ruth, so do you think it's possible that "someone/something" at Google has put a filter on my search engine results because of the "links" between the two sites and considered my sites as "spammy" because these two sites are "gonzo" now.

Have you had any luck with re-inclusion requests and should I clean them up and get a re-inclusion request going now? You are a great help!

Is it the actual "forms" that are the duplicate content?

[webmaker]

" Can anyone help me, please? I have TWO sites that have disappeared at the same time it seems.
www.deserthomestoday.com is the main site.

Curiously my "blog site" I just started has ALSO disappeared. The "typepad" blog site at http://deserthomestoday.blogs.com/ The "blog" site is maintained by Typepad and I'm at a loss as to why this site has completely disappeared. "
Yoddle is just starting a new concept. Why not add your two site descriptions in the yoddle extended service. You can control your meta, and point back to your site as many times as you like from one detail page. Not to mention you will get some visitors from yoddle. I need beta testers and this would be a great feat if we were able to get you sites found again. Oh yea...here is the link http://www.yoddle.net/search/

[synergytheory]

Did you change any tags recently? I would recommend changing your title tag.

Currently it is:


<META NAME="TITLE" CONTENT="Palm Springs Real Estate Radio Program, Desert Homes Today on
Newstalk 920 KPSI, Palm Springs, Palm Desert, Rancho Mirage, Indian Wells, La Quinta">

Not sure why you have it like that, never seen anything like it before. Your title tag should be like so:


<title>Your Main Keyword, a few more keywords etc</title>

I'm not sure if this will solve your problem but it's a good start. Google likes validated code, you might want to have a look a w3.org and try to get your code up to standards. You may also want to add some good copy to your homepage, all you have right now is links.

[synergytheory]

On second look I see you do have a title tag. This should be at the top of the code, then your keyword, and description meta tag.

I would get rid of the meta title tag.

[AussieWebmaster]

You also may be spamming the search engines by using the exact same anchor text for all inbound links.

Add this to any type of large repeated link from a big site and you will eventually get tagged and penalised.

Grab a program that will capture all your inbound link text and do an analysis. SEOElite does a good job of it.

If the percentage of just the one keyword is over 80% you are walking the track to penalty.

[dariuscordell]

It has happend to me as well as of May 9th. I have consitently ranked in the top 10 for years with keywords like evening gowns, pageant gowns, ball gowns, evening dresses, formal dresses, mother of the bride dresses, etc... and now I am no where to be found on google - at all.

Around the same time yahoo dropped me so needless to say I was freaking out! I changed alot of my content (and didnt just lie out key phrases - like above) and yahoo put me back on. I tested it back and forth a few times and was able to see that it was content that yahoo was not liking but now is ok with...but google is not as "forgiving" shall we say with my site as yahoo has been.

So I have concluded that I was banned. HOw do you know that is it or if it was one of the other problems they list on thier site that it may be...Iit woudl be great if they coudl send you an email prior to doing so but I guess that will never happen.

In any event, once you are "banned" can or will they put you back on to be ranked, will they spider your site again, (as we are very well linked on many many sites) or do they just never let you back in....and if they do, when or is there something else I need to do other than what I did to satisfy yahoo.

Google was luckily and unfortunately a huge percentage of my business.

Help!!!!...I am a dress designer not a website designer...or programmer...any help or advise other than what is on googles site would be overly appreciated.

DARIUS
www.dariuscordell.com[/img]

[bugmenot]

I'm an amateure web designer and have built a rather large web site over the years and have paid some attention to SEO techniques. I've enjoyed high search engine ranking for key words in Google and all of a sudden my site has mysteriously disappeared from Google (yet it still ranks in Alta Vista, and Yahoo). I'm reading that my site may have been "blacklisted" and I'll probably never a get a response from Google to know why, but the site does show up in the date base when I search in the google lookup tool, however, it's nowhere to be found any more in page rankings. I did have some pages that were considered duplicate pages with "forms" attached to them but had different titles on them and am curious to know if this got me into some kind of trouble with Google. I wasn't aware that this was going to create a problem. My site is content rich. Each page has its own title tags. Can anyone help out here. My site is my livelihood and how can I get Google to get it back into their search engine?

Can anyone help me, please? I have TWO sites that have disappeared at the same time it seems.
www.deserthomestoday.com is the main site.

Curiously my "blog site" I just started has ALSO disappeared. The "typepad" blog site at http://deserthomestoday.blogs.com/ The "blog" site is maintained by Typepad and I'm at a loss as to why this site has completely disappeared.

Thanks. Carey Parker

With all the money you made on your rankings, now you can spend it on adsense, like the rest of us and get back your #1 spot

[moredial]

Hi Carey

A few probable causes.

1./ I just did a check on site:www.deserthomestoday.com and site:deserthomestoday.com. Google gives a higher count on site:deserthomestoday.com.

I will leave you to go through and find out which pages are different in the two lists. You will probably find that a url is duplicated. Once as www.domain.tld/page and again as domain.tld/page and one version will probably be sitting in the supplemental database although I did not notice that as I did a quick scan through. Once Google has the same page listed twice you can kiss any ranking goodbye for the optimised phrases on those pages - anywhere on your site.

2./ The gremlin may be in someone giving you too many perfect and identical text anchor links. Do you make use of the Google Alerts to send you a report of who is referring to your site or linking to you?

You can not find these links by using the link:domain feature as only pages with higher PR are included in the list. Do a search on "deserthomestoday.com" and you will get an answer of about 1300 pages containing that term. A lot of these pages are sitting in the supplemental database.

You know what they say about search engines and bad company. Those links and references to you are not doing you any favours. Unfortunately, Google will never list out more than the first 1000 results so there is no way that you will be able to find out who is linking to you and messing with your ranking.

The good news is that once your site disappears from the serps you url is also likely to disappear from the pages of all those sites that are in the supplemental database.

The bad news is that Google does not update its supplemental database very often so you can sit with that bad company for a long time.

Two things you could try.

First, ban Google from your site. You can either do this in the meta tags or your robots.txt file. This is very important and the sooner you do it the better. Reason: Google has dropped you so you have nothing to lose and the problem is only going to get worse if you do nothing. It will also spread to sites that you link to - is this what has caused your blog to disappear?

Second, look at all those pages referring to you that are also sitting in the supplemental database. If you can no longer find your site on the page (a very high probability given the circumstanses) submit the url to Google in the hope that Google will again crawl the url and update its database. If you are still appearing on the page, ask the webmaster to remove you and once that is done, submit the url to Google. If the url has ceased to exist you are on a loser because a 'dead' url can live for years in the Google database. (I have one client whose home page appears 4 times in the Google serps - twice on the current version and twice on the previous version, now 4 years out of date. I have just updated the home page - will there now be 6 versions of the same page?)

3./ Another common cause for problems in Google is a change of IP address. This can be either because you changed hosting or because your host decided to reorganise their virtual servers. If this is the cause you are looking at 6 months plus before you start to recover.

As you are doing well on other search engines I do not advise you to make any changes to your site other than to improve on the optimization for those engines. I had one site which used to get 95% of visitors from Google until Google decided to stop ranking me on keywords for the reasons I have outlined above. I optimized for the other engines and now get less than 1% of traffic from Google (new pages and new search phrases only) and my traffic has increased 50 fold.

Sorry if this is a depressing post. If you can adopt an 'I don't care' attitude about Google then you will be well rewarded by all the other search engines who like content rich and well focused pages rather than worrying about which other sites link to you before deciding where to put you in the serps.

[cspelts]

You will probably find that a url is duplicated. Once as www.domain.tld/page and again as domain.tld/page
This is a very common thing - and Google will eventually figure out that it's the same site - you don't have to take any action.


First, ban Google from your site.
I would do a lot more research before I would consider banning Google, even temporarily.

[CareyParker]

moredial wrote:
You will probably find that a url is duplicated. Once as www.domain.tld/page and again as domain.tld/page

This is a very common thing - and Google will eventually figure out that it's the same site - you don't have to take any action.
____________

Thanks for all your help...
I have not changed servers at all. I have not changed any meta tags in a long time.

What does this mean a "duplicate" URL does that mean duplicate content penalty?, and shall I drop the web blog and just simply start a new one with no links to the other site since it's penalized? I need www.deserthomestoday.com desperately, and how can I get them to re-include the site again if I drop the duplicate URL, the above address doesn't work, and I'm sorry I don't quite understand everything.

Do you think if I pay for adwords on the site, they'll get my site re-included anytime soon?

[cspelts]

What does this mean a "duplicate" URL does that mean duplicate content penalty?
Simply put, Google initially sees
http://www.deserthomestoday.com
http://deserthomestoday.com
as two different sites - and it can take a while for Google to figure out they are in fact one and the same. The way to correct this quickly is use a 301 redirect on one to point to the other. End of problem.

Do you think if I pay for adwords on the site, they'll get my site re-included anytime soon?
Officially no, but I have heard that you may get indexed more often if you use AdWords - it won't affect your rankings, but at least they'll see any changes you make. But the real reason to use AdWords is that it will get your site back in front of users! If you're careful, AdWords can be inexpensive and effective.

Read about using brackets to limit when your ad will show up. You would not want to show up for the term California Real Estate - it's much too broad and you won’t get quality traffic – but you would want to show up for [Palm Desert California Real Estate]

You can also put a dollar limit per day – so it you want to only spend $1 a day, that is possible.

[cspelts]

Hopefully this is a temporary glitch, but right now your main site is showing a directNIC error page. I wonder if maybe part of your problems are because of your host? If Google tries to get to your site when it's down, that can cause your rankings to drop.

Your blog is showing fine.

[Bucker]

I have had heard that when Google blacklists you they immediately remove your page ranking and it shows 0...you've got a five showing....I would try to relax for a few days and let the Bourbon update settle down.

Bucker

http://www.guidedbiblestudies.com
http://www.treeswalking.blogspot.com

[incrediblehelp]

um, this could be a problem:

http://www.deserthomestoday.com/index.htm

gives us a 404 error handler page. This is the "Home" link you use on all sub-set pages throughout the website, this gives the search engine some bad ideas about your home page!!!

Of course it appears that your default home page according to server settings is:

http://www.deserthomestoday.com/index.html

Do a find and replace as fast as you can and I am sure you will see better results soon.

Proper internal linking is more important than we think. Instead of using "Home" in the anchor text I would change it to "Desert Homes Today" while your at it.

[rocky1]

I think incredihelp probably gets the prize for best suggestion, and definitely for doing the most homework here. Good find!! If you've recently made changes to the index page that could very likely be the culprit. It certainly isn't helping matters regardless and needs to be fixed.

One thing I didn't see clearly mentioned above was the possibility of being caught in a major algorithm shift. There are other posts however, indicating similar results on other sites, so I would tend to think that a very real possibility in this case.

Further, if you haven't read today's headlines on the Web Pro News newsletter, there is currently one underway, called Bourbon, and it is very likely that there's something on your page that the algorithm doesn't like. I've watched a few pages on my site take the plunge in the past and understand your frustration carey, but as the newsletter advises, you might want to try and wait it out, or at least wait out the remainder of the changes in the algorithm before taking any action. Like you I was at the time sitting page one and two when that one hit me, and the next day I was nowhere to be found, I checked results until they ran out, so I could see what effect attempted changes made and I wasn't in the top 1,000 anywhere. Those listings went from #6 and #12 to outside of 1,000 solely because of the algorithm shift.

Considering your site has always scored well in the past, make a backup of any pages you work on before touching them. If this algorithm is something out of the ordinary, and they should return to something more in the way of routine, the changes you make to fit this algorithm may very well see the same results when the pendulum swings the other way. If you should find such to be the case, try restoring the backed up copy and see if it works for you, before investing a lot of time trying to figure out that you need what you used too have.

And, finally... if your pages are still listed and you're still showing PR, you have not been blacklisted! Don't worry about the duplicate content, or the blog, they're not the issue.

[Needabed]

Hi there I was dropped by google as well, do you think one of the reasons could be that my domain is expiring in 3 months! I made the silly mistake to renew it year by year..if so I messed up!

[incrediblehelp]

needabed, that should not be an issue at all.

[rocky1]

Hi there I was dropped by google as well, do you think one of the reasons could be that my domain is expiring in 3 months! I made the silly mistake to renew it year by year..if so I messed up!



I think you're a victim of the algorithm shift as well, Google doesn't care about expiration date of your domain, unless it has expired, and your site isn't found when the bots come to crawl it.

[CareyParker]

It's been 25 days since mysterious things have happened to my web site, and I'm pleased to say GOOGLE LIKES ME AGAIN.

I've taken all of your advice and worked out all of the kinks with the site, and discovered that my site lacked some basic SEO in the meta tags. I really only truly had Title tags that gave me results in Google. My early meta descriptions and meta keywords lacked relevance to the content on the pages and the new Bourbon didn't like that apparently! "Rocky1" of WPW and I have been working closely behind the scenes to SEO my site for the past several weeks, and TODAY my site has reappeared in Google.

I contacted Google and I did get a reply indicating that my site was not being penalized for anything, and they simply referred me to the basic webmaster guidelines...

From what I observed also, it also took Google about a week to start displaying the results after it cached pages on the site.

I've also learned through discussion through WPW that a SITE MAP is very important. Google hasn't spidered my site since I've uploaded the new site map this week, so I'll be anxious to see how that unfolds on Google -- I'll keep you postd. I use Front Page and am using its site map.

Also, all the basic SEO work I've done these past couple of weeks has really helped my ranking in Yahoo! NOw, if I can get some results in MSN.. hmmm...

I want to thank CSPelts, Wrmineo, Webproposter, AussieWebmaster, Moredial, Bucker, Incredihelp and Rocky1 and everyone else who took time to write to me with suggestions for all your help in sorting out problems with my site in one of the most difficult times I've had! YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST! THANK YOU WEBPROWORLD! I FEEL LIKE I HAVE SOME NEW FRIENDS HERE, THANK SO MUCH!

www.DesertHomesToday.com
CAREY PARKER

[incrediblehelp]

Glad to hear you happy CareyParker. Please look into Google Sitemaps (http://www.google.com/webmasters/sitemaps/login) for even better spidering assurance.

[cspelts]

Success stories are very cool! I'll bet that most of us are continually tweaking our sites, so we rarely get to see such instantaneous results. Congratulations! It sounds like you worked hard!

[rocky1]

Success stories are very cool! I'll bet that most of us are continually tweaking our sites, so we rarely get to see such instantaneous results. Congratulations! It sounds like you worked hard!


I can attest to the fact that Carey has worked VERY HARD at getting this site back in Google's graces! Her diligence and tenacity was paramount to the instantaneous success!

[jdoree]

I was dropped just this morning. I posted in another thread about this but didn't read this one until after.

I have a question about what someone mentioned here. My pages in the top ten for several of my keywords and today they are nowhere to be found but my PR is still 5. Does this mean I wasn't banned? Would it change to 0 right away as mentioned above?

Another issue I didn't mention previously was that I moved my site to a new server. I researched before doing this and the consensus seemed to be that it shouldn't matter unless the new IP was a previously blacklisted IP. I know of other sites (not mine) on this shared server that still do well on Google so I don't think that's it. Do you think the server switch could be the issue?

I've felt sick all day since the big drop. Any insight would be extremely appreciated.

jd

[Bucker]

I've seen dropped sites from Google, and they all have been dropped to a 0 page ranking, when previously they had a positive number rank.

What's the address to your site? Maybe we can find something that has been dropped.

With a five page ranking, you are still listed somewhere on Google. I wonder if your first server domain is still active, causing your new server to be duplicate copy. Sometimes it takes a month for everything to work out in Google.

Also...new servers sometimes get a little complicated because you are unfamiliar with their practices. Many block certain things to protect from denial of service attacks. If I understand it correctly, it's kinda like a funnel. The server brings in alot of data, then strings it to a small trickle to the individual sites. Sometimes this process will prevent search engines from getting a good run on your site. I believe that if this is the case, your server will have a code to allow access or a button that they can push to let the search engines in.

Hope this helps!

Bucker

[jdoree]

My site is http://automailer.com/tws/

Do you think the domain name could be considered sketchy? It's been on that domain for years so I didn't want to switch away in fear of losing my rankings.

The site is not very attractive right now; I had a redesign launch planned for next week but now I'm scared to make drastic changes like that.
The current redisign mockup is here: http://automailer.com/tws/test/

Thanks so much for your help. Please let me know if you have any other suggestions.

j

[greeneagle]

jdoree,

Why are you panicking over a PR5 ranking?

Are keyword and text ill targeted and you are not receiving traffic or what?

Most people are more nervous about blowing their rankings by changing PR5s that have good SERPs. Not sure where you are coming from

Maybe you have exhaused the marketing avenues you have used. Try press releases and articles - let it be until you do!

Ken

[jdoree]

Hi Ken...

Thanks for the input. I'm panicking because I was getting 60-70% of my traffic from Google and then overnight, all of my pages that were ranking top 10 were completely dropped. All of my keywords dropped from top 10 to completely off the radar. I now get 0 traffic from google and therefore my traffic is down about 70%

Kewords are well targetted. I was top 10 for my 5+ main key phrases for a years, until yesterday, when I didn't just drop out of the top 10, I dropped completely off the results. And I mean completely. Wouldn't you be concerned?

PR does me no good if Google won't even display me in their results. It's not the PR I'm panicking over.

I'd sincerely appreciate any suggestions or thoughts on this.

TIA.

j

[Bucker]

I found a couple things that might be a problem since the new bourbon update...

Your DOCTYPE statement is different from the one I use...you don't have a robot META statement...and your keywords go over twenty.

Now I know there are alot of people hollering right now that GOOGLE doesn't pay attention to the keywords, and they don't....unless keywords look spammy to them....and over twenty falls into that category.

One other thing....I had problems with statcounter at the head of my page...when I put it on the bottom, things seemed to go better for me with the search engines....what was happening is GOOGLE would list my site and they grabbed the Statcounter words, rather words from my site. Putting it on the bottom, right before the closing body, solved this problem.

You site code looks pretty clean to me. I suspect that the Bourbon update is paying attention to more of the little details, and the ones slightly askew may be put on the back burner for awhile.

Who really knows?

My code.....


<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC
"-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en">
<head>
<link rel="stylesheet" href="bbsindex.css" type="text/css" />
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" />
<title>Guided Bible studies for hungry Christians</title>
<meta name="description" content="Popular Becker Bible studies challenge born again Christian students to focus on scripture, to enlighten followers of Jesus Christ through the Word of God." />
<meta name="keywords" content="bible studies,bible study,christians,christian,born again,king james,becker,foundation,consequences sin,baptism,faith,proof resurrection,free,word" />
<meta name="robots" content="index,follow" />
<meta name="MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" content="TRUE" />
<meta name="author" content="Becker Bible Studies" />
<link rel="shortcut icon" href="favicon.ico" />
</head>

[incrediblehelp]

Have you considered that scrapper websites are most likely to blame for your sudden drop?

I copied this unique text from your home page:

"An online forum for physical therapy"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=%22An+online+forum+for+physical+therapy%22

plug it into Google and you see many websites copying your content. Some of these rankings wont work anymore or will have changed their page by now, but you can see by looking at the cache or rankings themselves they stole content to hopefully flag your website for duplicate content in Google algo. I had a rather large client fall victim to this. All you can do it report it and wait until the next update, unless other have some other solutions for scrapper SPAM in the meantime?

[jdoree]

Scraper sites? How do I report it? What do I need to include in the report? Is there a good document somewhere on how to do this?

Also, how long is it between updates? Months?

Any help greatly appreciated!

j

[jdoree]

Thanks for pointing out those potential bourbon related issues. I will certainly address them ASAP.

I was planning on launching a complete site redesign next week. Same page names and main content but restructured, new colors, images, etc.

Is this something I should hold off on until I figure out what's happened?


j

[freehits]

Hi Ken...

Thanks for the input. I'm panicking because I was getting 60-70% of my traffic from Google and then overnight, all of my pages that were ranking top 10 were completely dropped. All of my keywords dropped from top 10 to completely off the radar. I now get 0 traffic from google and therefore my traffic is down about 70%

Kewords are well targetted. I was top 10 for my 5+ main key phrases for a years, until yesterday, when I didn't just drop out of the top 10, I dropped completely off the results. And I mean completely. Wouldn't you be concerned?

PR does me no good if Google won't even display me in their results. It's not the PR I'm panicking over.
j

The student sounds like the master.

And the post about scraper spam sounds possible, since I have a few sites totally dropped yet scrapers and iframe thieves still exist. Perhaps they are creating duplicate content confusion for my sites.

[incrediblehelp]

Scraper sites? How do I report it? What do I need to include in the report? Is there a good document somewhere on how to do this?

Also, how long is it between updates? Months?

Any help greatly appreciated!

j

http://www.google.com/contact/spamreport.html

No one knows how long it takes between updates.

You can build websites anytime you want no reason to wait for anything. If you build another website please beware of duplicating content to much.

[jdoree]

Thanks for the spamreport link. I'm still trying to find some kind of more definitive proof that someone is spamming or scraping me. When I get something tangiable I'll send it along. (suggestions?)

Also, I meant that I was planning to launch just a new look/layout of the same site (the one that was dropped); same domain and same content. I didn't know if I should change anything major while trying to get reinstated into the index. Do you think it matters? I'm not planning on building another website at this point.

j

[incrediblehelp]

Just run manual searches of unique content to your website on Google to see who is scrapping.

[moredial]

Hi jdoree


Another issue I didn't mention previously was that I moved my site to a new server. I researched before doing this and the consensus seemed to be that it shouldn't matter unless the new IP was a previously blacklisted IP. I know of other sites (not mine) on this shared server that still do well on Google so I don't think that's it. Do you think the server switch could be the issue?

Changing IP can be the kiss of death to a domain. It all depends on how your previous host treats your old site.

SEs use IP addresses rather than domain names to identify a site. If the old server is not giving a permanently removed response to Google then the old and new site could be treated as duplicates.

Having a quick look at your site I can't see anything obvious other than the liquid courage online subdirectory having a few pages in the supplemental database. As long as these pages do not link to the tws directory or the home page on the root they should not be an issue.

This may be just a waiting game.

[jdoree]

Thanks for the response moredial.

It could very well be that it is because of the old ISP and the old IP appearing to be a duplicate site. I had to go and have the old site remove the old version. I didn't realize I had to specifically ask to have it removed. It wasn't until after my results dropped that I went and checked it out. The old files were removed the same day. Do I need to have something more done that just removing the old files?

Where did you find the pages in a supplemental database? I checked out liquidcourageonline.com but didn't find anything but a parked domain...

If you have any other suggestions I would certainly appreciate them. I'm planning on doing a relaunch very soon with the same content but different layout. That shouldn't have any negative effect on my getting back to the top should it?

Thanks again!

j

[greeneagle]

Once you change nameservers no-one and nothing finds the old!

Besides you can delete old files off the previous server yourself through FTP on your way out the door.

Ken

[incrediblehelp]

Once you change nameservers no-one and nothing finds the old!

Besides you can delete old files off the previous server yourself through FTP on your way out the door.

Ken

Your right Greeneagle, I am not sure what moredial was saying either.

[greeneagle]

Sometimes it's all about "Keeping Your Panties On". GoogleGuy notified everyone that "summer is the favored time for changes"... not to mention the fact that time might be fluid... with his admonishment that "Bourbon was a planned multi-staged event"...

Ken

[jdoree]

So, hypothetically, if a site was 'penalized' for duplicate content, does the penalty last until the next major update? Does it last indefinitely? Does anyone know?

TIA.

j

[incrediblehelp]

Probably last until you fix the duplicate content isssues, then wait for the next update after that, but no one knows for sure.