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logowaves

08-07-2003, 09:11 AM

Hello!
I have few domains (10-15) and would like to have them hosted by one hosting provider (currently we have 2). Few domains belong to my friends and customers mostly for normal static html pages, few flash elements and online (CGI) forms. 2 websites with lots of graphics.

We are planning to change to new server because recently we have too many "server down" situations. Sometime it was (few minutes) down - 3-4 times a day.

What should I look for? Reseller?
I do need good customer / technical support.

mpnev

08-08-2003, 02:17 AM

Well, I recently switched from Affinity to Powweb for that very same reason, among many other reasons. Powweb is extremely affordable with excellent support. They even have a forum you can skim through to find information or ask questions.

I'm now paying 75% less for more service and less down time... On several websites... I still have a few at Affinity that I need to switch over when I have the time to change all the MySQL databases, heh.

If you use them, please follow this link below, so that I can get a referral credit =D

http://signup.powweb.com/powweb-bin/referer.cgi?account_id=63087

Solution Global

08-10-2003, 11:12 AM

Hi Logowaves

If you have customers relying on you to build and deliver them with a web presence, then you need to take the time to consider who you host with. Those customers totally depend on your advice and choices to have their websites online 24/7 - Constant dowtime will obviously mean loss of credibility for you, but also could mean serious loss of revenue for them, especially if they are dependant on revenue income streams through their online presence only (as more and more online businesses are nowadays with the shy away from conventional business).

What you need to do is simple. Interview your prospective Web Hosting Company. View their website, see if it looks professional. Then contact them by the methods available (phone, email, icq, etc) and ask them questions to see if their "professional image" can be backed up by qualified answers and advice. Don't be scared to ask questions, and many of them!! You can then judge the potential hoster by a few methods. Time the response it takes for them to respond to you. This is exceptionally important in the stages prior to you signing up with them, as the response time with pre sales will reflect upon the response times when support is needed for issues. If it takes days for them to respond to you, then simply delete the email and look at the next potential hoster. Your response should be received quick and in detail. Of course allow for heavy loads of sales and support queues of any professional companies out there but allow up to a maximum of say 6-12 hours at the most. If they cannot respond to you in this time frame then forget about it. If they dont respond to an initial pre sales enquiry in under 6-12 hours, then imagine their response times when issues arise and they have every customer hammering them for support. Also carefully scrutinise their answers to your questions, and see if they are qualified answers, giving you the information you need.

Talk to them (whether via email or phone or other means of contact) and ask them many questions. You want to make sure they can not only promise you many things, but also ensure that they can deliver. Ask them for a test run or trial of their control panels that you will be using as a customer. You will be able to tell the professional companies from the backyarders then and their. The professionals WILL setup a temporary login to a control panel to show you the features they offer (even if its only a 20 or 30 minute period) at least you will get to see the live workings of the control panel and its features offered.

Ask them the necessary questions about what they do and don't offer BEFORE you signup. Hosting providers are a dime a dozen. PROFESSIONAL hosting companies on the other hand that can actually deliver what they promise is another matter. The professional ones are far and few between.

Also ask your prospective hosting company if they pay referrals or offer reselling services (to ensure that your costs are reduced allowing you to either make a nice profit out of signing up your own customers nder a reselling plan, or if you are only referring a few, ensure their referral rewards program rewards you for the time and effort spent in referring THEM with new business). This is important to you and your bank balance. A professional hosting company will reward you for your referral, and reward you WELL. A non professional won't. Simple. For instance with all our hosting referrals we offer you, the referrer, a totally FREE hosting and domain package for 12 months for each referral. We REWARD our customers that refer others to us. And reward them well. A great portion of our customers come from happy customers referring their friends and colleagues. And we ensure that these referrers are rewarded accordingly.

You are more than welcome to email us to ask any questions that you may have, such as special needs for customers, yourself and your friends. Our sales and enquiries email address is sales@solutionglobal.com or you can visit our website at http://www.solutionglobal.com

Please don't hesitate to contact us, even if it is for some advice about the industry and who you host with. Your hosting is an extremely important decision, and making the wrong decision can cost you and your customers a lot of downtime, unwarranted stress, and for those dependant on their online presence for revenue and income, a great deal of money.

Gavin Carr
Solution Global

Maureen

08-10-2003, 05:47 PM

When looking for Web hosting company you should not just be looking for what you need, but rather look at what providers have to offer and see if these offerings can help your business succeed on the Internet. The average hosting customer is not always up to speed on the rapidly changing industry and he or she should depend on their hosting provider to introduce and offer them new technology that will help their business stay ahead of their competition.

Here are some things to consider when looking for a Web hosting provider.

Dedicated or Shared? Does your organization require it's own physical server? Dedicated servers often offer more space, higher bandwidth, root access, more control, and better security.

History / Track Record. Be sure the company that you entrust with your Website knows what they are doing and has been around for a while. Look for information on the executives and people ultimately responsible for your Website. Be sure that there are real people that publicly stand behind their service.

E-commerce. Do you plan on conducting business online as in collecting funds? If so, you will need to be sure your host provider can provide you with a secure server, e-commerce software, and a resource for establishing your own merchant account.

Control. Almost all Web hosts give users some kind of control over their site like FTP access or Frontpage. However look for providers who offer a user-friendly "control panel" or website management tool that will not only give you easy access to your files, but also allow you instant access to your own e-mail management and domain management. There is nothing worse that having to send in support tickets and wait days to have e-mail accounts created or changed.

Support. Since your Website will be online 24 hours a day, you need to make sure your provider offers 24 hour support. Also make sure this support is easily accessible and their "support" is not an answering service that "gives them the message" when you call or worse, a voice mail system that will not let you speak with a live person. Also look for a variety of support options like

· web based ticket system that can track all of your support requests
· detailed online documentation for your hosting account
· FAQs that you can reference
· discussion boards or mailing lists
· multi-media help is always a big plus

Features You Require. Do you require Frontpage to publish? How about a robust database? PHP? 50 POP accounts? Knowing what you need is a great start but be sure to talk to a sales representative if the host you are looking at does not seem to have everything you need. Often some features are not listed or a better alternative can be suggested.

Network / Connectivity. Be sure your web host is located in a professional data center and is not hosting sites out of their closet or garage (this is a real concern with the recent availability of high speed bandwidth). Look for information on their network or connectivity and be sure they have a reliable, redundant connection. In the shared hosting world, a guaranteed uptime of anything over 99% is acceptable but 99.5% is better.

Applications. Without applications, a website is just a brochure online and probably will not do that well. Although the there are many free applications available on the Internet, getting them installed and working properly is often a very difficult task. Look for providers who offer Applications with easy to use Web interfaces and support the installation and setup of such applications.

Location. In the shared and dedicated hosting world, the physical location of the servers should not matter. What should matter is that you have a fast connection to your server and so do your prospects and customers who will be using your site. However some localized hosting providers can offer value added services specific to your location and provide you with more personalized support.

Price. Price is mentioned last because too many new users are lured by cheap prices and ignore all the other criteria mentioned above. This is your business we are talking about and you should not let a few dollars a month alter your decision.

In addition to the above, you should also think of your host provider as a partner. They should act as the technical and industry expert who can help your business succeed, not just provide you with "space". Look for a hosting company that seems to specialize in your type of business or demographic, or one who understands the needs of on-line businesses in general.

Choosing a Web host for your business is an important decision. Once you are established with a hosting provider it is difficult (but certainly not impossible) to move so make sure you are confident that you have made the right choice.

nevboyle

08-10-2003, 11:44 PM

Hi logowaves,

I cant talk about the technical points but I can say that from personal experience www.hostmysite.com has always provided an excellent service.

It is worth looking at their site to see how well it suits your needs. Their support and reply to questions has has been first class.

MartinHa

08-11-2003, 10:05 AM

I host my own sites on a self managed dedicated server. I am not a company... (have some space over ) :-)
As you've got (10-15) sites on, mabye that's a goal for your, managed all by yourself....

I am long on the net to see a lot fool servers passing by, since I managed all my self I have no troubles anymore...

Mart

jhilgeman

08-11-2003, 12:29 PM

<grin> Wow, that was a sure invitation for some shameless hosting ads. MartinHa is on the mark with my recommendation, though.

Since MOST, RELIABLE hosting packages cost no less than $10/mo (there are some out there, but usually you get what you pay for), that might mean that you might end up paying around $100-$150 total for domain hosting per month. Some packages offer multiple domain hosting, but I figure, if you're going to spend close to $100 a month anyway, get a dedicated server.

I've been running about 5 extremely active domains (and about 60 not-very-active domains) for a year now with www.RackShack.net, and I've been mostly happy with their service. I pay $99 per month ($105-something after tax) for a Celeron with 512 RAM, 60 gigs of space, and 400 gigs of transfer per month. They have better servers, too, but I'm a tightwad. :)They have specials from time to time, too. Last time I checked, they had a $1 set-up fee special going on.

You can also get servers set up with cPanel, Ensim, or Plesk control panels if you want a more automated approach to controlling the server (I'm very much the system admin type who likes controlling everything without fancy GUIs, so I got the plain non-control-panel server, although cPanel is acceptable).

You can also use their DNS servers for free, or you can decide to run one on your own server if you know how to set it up.

Their only thing is that they're not required to support and fix your server - that's your job. However, they're very cool people, and they have trouble tickets, free message forums like this one, and free chat support via IRC, and they'll try to help you anyway. I've recommended two other companies to their services since I started using them, and they've been happy, too.

Now, to be critical, they've gone down twice in the past year. One time lasted about 6 minutes, and the other was something like 25 minutes. You should probably have some sort of technically-savvy person handling the server to use it to it's fullest advantage, too. The flexibility and freedom that having your own server offers is wonderful - I'd never go back to shared hosting. I can set up unlimited domains, upgrade my software whenever I want, have unlimited e-mail addresses and boxes, and all sorts of fun stuff. Security is my responsibility, so I don't have to worry about some jack--- leaving his website open and allowing hackers to get in and deface my site... ahhh... it's truly a wonderful experience if you've been on shared hosting for so long.

I don't know - I guess I'm just happy with the price and the product/service all-around.

- Jonathan

MartinHa

08-11-2003, 10:47 PM

lol

Solution Global

08-12-2003, 12:36 AM

Hi logowaves

Seems to be great advice from all here, both hosting providers and people that manage their own hosting with dedicated servers. Rackshack and other NOC's are great for those that have a LOT of technical knowledge. But remember. they are UNMANAGED.

If you are an admin that knows Unix or Windows back to front and is up to date with patches and security issues, then unmanaged servers are the way to go for you. Your overheads are reduced (monthly fees), you can control your own box, set your own ground rules, etc.

BUT

If you don't have an extensive working knowledge of administration of remote boxes, then don't go the unmanaged option. Many people make this mistake. You need to ensure that your boxes are patched and tweaked, and that all issues and security patches are constantly up to date, as well as constant upgrading of builds and modules such as sql, php and so on.

Lack of knowledge in this area can be disastrous and lead to having your box exploited (you just have to lookin the warez related channels on any irc network to see the eggdrops and shells sitting in their, majority of them being from boxes with lax security or have just been owned by exploits that havent been patched), and of course if your box becomes exploited, then your websites (and any others that you host) are jeopardised, causing issues as broad as simply overloading your boxes cpu with too many running processes, all the way up to the other end of the scale, exploited to the point where your bandwidth allocations supplied by these NOC's are exceeded dramatically and you are up for serious $$ in excess bandwidth. Knowledge when managing your own boxes is vital. And not just knowledge of managing your own system in a ghome or office based environment. Up to date knowledge on remote access, current issues, knowledge of exploits, how to patch them, how to rid your machine of intruders, how to identify them and prosecute them and more. If you don't have this knowledge or ability to do so, then you have several options. You can still purchase an unmanaged server and employ a contract admin or techie (or virtual team) who can take care of those issues for you (while you concentrate on simply maintaining your websites from the various GUI control panels offered such as Plesk, Ensim, CPanel and so forth), or find yourself a hosting provider that can offer you managed servers (the same type of hardware and boxes, except they manage the initial installs, patches, setup and technical side for you, and of course keep up to date with the latest exploits and upgrades and patch the boxes accordingly).

Keep these factors in mind when choosing either virtual shared hosting (hosting your website with a hosting provider), or choosing an unmanaged or managed dedicated server solution.

This advice is totally unbiased and meant to educate you on the real issues and differences, not just give an alternative without explanation of such.

Hope this helps with your decisions, and good luck!

Regards

Gavin Carr
Solution Global

jhilgeman

08-12-2003, 01:17 PM

This advice is totally unbiased...

That's funny, coming from a shared hosting provider. Trust me, Gavin, your post was not totally unbiased. You weren't wrong in anything you said, but it WAS biased. If it wan't biased, you wouldn't have given the WORST-case scenario of having a dedicated server and left out any of the bad parts of shared hosting and instead given all the good sides of it. :)

However, logowaves, he IS correct in saying that you should be fairly technically savvy or at least hire someone that is (it's always good to have a programmer/admin on your team). Gavin said that shared hosting is cheaper, but he was being a bit vague. Shared hosting might be cheaper PER account/domain, but with 10-15 domains, as I said before, it's probably less expensive to get the server.

Dedicated servers are, indeed, unmanaged. You don't have some stranger updating your system software all the time. However, this can be good or bad, depending on how you look at it. I've had a lot of "experienced" hosting people that screw up the upgrades on the machine that I'm on, and my site is hosed until the next business day or whenever they choose to fix it. On the good side, it doesn't happen all that often.

However, on the good side of server hosting, once you're up and running, there's a REALLY good chance that you'll stay up and running until YOU screw it up. So if you get a secure system going, you can leave the software as-is for as long as you want, and you'll stay up and running.

Gavin was nice enough to pick out the worst-case scenario with dedicated servers. Chances are that your server's not going to be so insecure that it'll be penetrable right off the bat. Most likely, you'll start with a fairly secure setup, and you're not going to get hacked by every novice hacker wannabe out in the world.

However, there are also plenty of worst-case scenarios with shared hosting. Remember that you share a server with potentially hundreds of other people - and there's a good chance that some of them tinker around with hacking and look for sore spots. I know I did and I could get into all sorts of "protected" information that other people had on their sites, just because my host forgot to turn off this or that feature. And even when they turned off one thing, a week later they upgraded it for security purposes and forgot to flip the switch again, leaving it open once again to curious people. Some hosts even go so far as leaving things writable by anyone, so any of the other hundred users can go to your web site and remove files or replace them and deface your site.

If a host is smart enough to disable shell access for most people, there are still people out there that build insecure scripts that can still allow any amateur hacker to break in.

Believe me, as long as you have access to the technical knowledge necessary to administrate a server, it's a TON better than shared hosting. However, if you or someone you know doesn't have the knowledge to administrate the server, then start learning. :) In the meantime, you can use shared hosting if you want, or you can try to experiment with the dedicated server while you learn.

I have nothing to sell or gain by you going with either shared hosting or a dedicated server (at least until RackShack comes out with some sort of reseller program), so I'm LESS biased right now. :) I just want you to get a good deal with your hosting.

Cheers,
Jonathan

Solution Global

08-12-2003, 01:39 PM

LOL Jonathan

It was actually meant as TOTALLY unbiased and purely educational .... If it was biased I would have thrown in an offer for him to contact me to discuss shared hosting options or managed servers or unmanaged servers as we do the lot or I would have PM'd him about it (hey logowaves by the way .....!!). No only joking.

It was actually meant to be totally unbiased, and just a factual statement about dedicated hosting and the need to be knowledgeable, but I understand where you got the impression that I was being biased, but this wasn't the intention at all (hence the closing statement "Hope this helps with your decisions, and good luck!")

I could have gone into the good and bad of each option, dedicated unmanaged and managed, shared hosting, vpn, co-lo and all the rest of it, but I would have been typing for 12 hours and we all would have been reading for 14 hours! LOL.

I was just responding to your post about the unmanaged servers to attempt to make him aware of the fact of the need for knowledge, just in case he did jump out and go the unmanaged option after reading your post (as it was very factual, straight down the line and almost tempting - ever thought about sales as a career!!) and I wouldnt want to see someone go out and jump into a unmanaged server without the knowledge of the good or bad balancing that decision

Apologies if it came out looking biased but this wasn't the attempt whatsoever. It was just an attempt to educate the pitfalls based upon your addition to the thread (I would have done the same if it was a thread addition about co-lo or shared hosting or vpn) as it was just meant as the negative educational tool comparitive to the positive picture painted.

Thats all from me (the unbiased one!)

Gavin Carr
Solution Global

MartinHa

08-12-2003, 01:45 PM

As some has 10-15 sites online he is a fool and do no nothing?

Looks strange to me all those reply on this part...
With explanation on how the internet is working?

Solution Global

08-12-2003, 01:54 PM

Martina why are our replies strange?

In his original posting logowaves specifically said

What should I look for? Reseller?
I do need good customer / technical support.

To my reading (and please correct me if I am wrong), this means that he needs good technical support because he is admitting (and obviously asking the question because he needs answers) that he doesnt carry the knowledge to do so himself. This is why the advise has been given.

How can be giving advice based upon a persons question be strange ? Thats what sharing knowledge is all about. Advice and information to enable to another person to make a more defined and factual choice.

Our responses to him (and each other) in this thread have NEVER once been directed in such a way as to treat him like a fool, nor make him feel that way. The thread has actually been a good factual educational response for him to now be able to read and make a more informed decision, or post further questions.

Gavin Carr
Solution Global

MartinHa

08-12-2003, 02:11 PM

Maybe I must say sorry...

In my mind as some has 10-15 (strange they don't even know how mutch)sites he has (forgot less more then 33% ?) on the net, some know more than basic... Or I am a fool on? That was my first mail about... I have some space over.... :-)

Or must I start a new topic to see how you react on my question? Or are some on to see what's real?

As it was true I am sorry...

JamesW

08-12-2003, 05:54 PM

logowaves,

Perhaps you remember me from the logo review forum?

Either way, I'll share my success story with you. My site has been online for over 5 years now and I use Pair.com. They went down ONCE in those five years (within the first year) and have physically relocated their location twice (they grew a lot). For the 30 minutes they were down (only on my machine, by the way...a slowly failing hard drive resulted in corrupted back-up tapes) they gave me a whole month of service for free.

By today's standards they are a little expensive. My "Advanced" account costs me about $198 per year (about $16/month) for shared hosting. I get an 8% discount for paying by the year.

My account is the lowest that offers free phone support but I have never used it. However, the ticket based support system works wonderfully and I've always received a very quick response.

I've considered moving to cheaper hosts or even moving to dedicated hosting that I control. However, even though I'm tech savy, I can't afford to spend ANY time maintaining a server and I'm afraid that the "cheaper" hosts will have "cheaper" quality.

Based on your criteria, I highly recommend you check them out. (BTW, they have ongoing specials of no setup fee for "refugees" (people moving from other hosts)).

James.

virtualsilk

08-12-2003, 09:49 PM

I have been a site developer specializing in e-commerce for small businesses for the past 6 plus years. I also don’t want to worry about maintaining servers.

For the past 5 years I have used www.stormerhosting.com. I currently have about 40 client sites hosted there. (I have no affiliation with them.) They lease space from Verio, who does the server maintenance and my sites stay up, even through this "Blaster" of a day today!

They charge $62.76 a year for 10 mgs, a $25 one-time charge for a mall version shopping cart, etc. The servers are UNIX.

The best part is their customer support, which is superb.

Yadmot

08-13-2003, 12:56 PM

I have almost 700 web-sites and I use DataPipe.com. I have had Excellent Support for 3+ years.

They are a bit to costly for the little guy just getting started, and so I've branded with GoDaddy to get 'Biz for the Buck' web hosting for start-ups buying domain names from my company http://www.NameTV.com

For any start-ups I would say price is definitly the number two concern. A start-up needs to learn the ropes, and not get scalped in the process. For most start-ups, web-design is too costly, and so I would recommend using a template based program and creating a simple web-brochure. See our site at http://www.BestBrochure.com

The number one concern for new start-ups... A great web name! A great web name is one that is easy to remember, easy to spell, short, and one that is directly related to the business you do.

=^0.o^= Yadmot
http://www.NameTV.com

swstyles

08-13-2003, 01:04 PM

OK,

Many longwinded posts above about hosting.

We have been with these guys for a year.

$20 bucks a month to start and $1 for every additional domain.

If you wanted to host 20 sites, the cost would be $20 to start and $20 for 20 domains. $40 bucks a month for 20 websites.

They host Unix and Windows and have many add-ons.

http://ahb.ca

I am currently hosting 50 domains there through 2 seperate accounts. I have experienced no downtime that I can recall nor have my clients.

ben332211

08-13-2003, 01:12 PM

I run and program an online game, www.mechg.com [yes I know the index page sucks, and the layout, thanks] and we have a dedicated server, because we need to power it gives...

It was annoying getting it set up, I had to sort out the DNS things and such, and managed to get it done in the end, with a bit of ticket support help...

Management is relativeley simple... just don't touch it, lol. I am a generally inquisitive person, and fiddle with things, and have not managed to break it yet, hehe...

Moondancer

08-13-2003, 02:07 PM

Wow, SolutionGlobal and jhilgeman.... You did such a good job of advising you left me nothing to say.. although martinha had a point about he would need technical help/support... maybe a reseller plan would be the best solution with the number of sites he has.... It would leave him room to grow more sites later should he want to or have adequate bandwidth should he need more than what he's using now and still have the technical support that he might need.

I loved Maureen's run down on what to look for in a hosting company.

I will stress something about bandwidth.. I know it's been said here already but I'll say it again anyway.. there's no such thing as unlimited bandwidth... you pay for it one way or another.. either in slow loading sites because too many have been crammed onto one server and/or not being able to log into your ftp especially during peak times.... or you pay for a set amount of bandwidth and pay extra for more.....

I'm sure there are lots of good quality hosting companies out there, ours included.... and I'm either a terrible business person or I just believe in fairness..... Solutions Global has given you some really good advice here.. so has jhilgeman... I've read posts by them before and they are straight up from everything I've seen from them so far.. Solutions Global has great prices from what I've seen of his site.. The fact that he's offerng you this advice without pressure shows he cares about not only his business but yours... I don't think you could go wrong to just check out his site and see if they offer what you need.. if not them.. well.. maybe we haven't been in business very long as per Maureen's criteria but we have good fair prices and great technical support that might fit your needs, too.

ben332211

08-13-2003, 02:35 PM

Some sites offer very small amounts of bandwidth on seemingly good deal dedicated servers...

If you look at hte charges per gigabyte, and how much you might typically use, you soon see that they could be very expensive, and theres no room for expansion, with costs escallating as you use more and more bandwidth monthly...

Look around for a good hosting company that offeres you a decent amount of bandwidth...

My server has 1,000 GB of monthly bandwidth, whereas some give you 50 GB or as little as 10, and charge you up to $5.00 per extra GB...

I'll never use 1,000 GB, but I don't have to worry about overshooting the limit, and paying outragous amounts for the surplus.

logowaves

08-13-2003, 04:29 PM

Wow! Thanks guys! I appreciate your comments and suggestions. Actually I have not finish reading. One thing for sure..My English is getting better!

again.. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

vfaulkner

08-14-2003, 12:58 AM

My advice: (no plug)
Figure out what you need/want in a host, then find it...
www.hostreview.com
www.webhostdir.com

logowaves

08-14-2003, 03:20 AM

Hi!
I do not control all the sites. Few are for my friends and few of them already expired! (They do not renew their domains) And that is why I mentioned 10-15 sites. I have 4 site for myself (active and running)

MartinHa

08-14-2003, 03:18 PM

I am number 800.001 and offer it for $10 a/y? :-)

Some needs $$?

copolsky

08-18-2003, 04:00 PM

Another thing to remember along with all the other recommendations in the posts on this topic is that when a search engine spiders your website and the server is down your website cannot be indexed. Or should it be indexed and your position is favorable now the chance for loosing that position presents itself. For commercial websites that do e-commerce this is critical and why you should choose a web hosting company that has 24/7 uptime and let you know in advance if upgrades to systems or maintenance is going to be preformed with date and time.

COpolsky
http://www.marketing-internet-consultant.com.

dusky

08-19-2003, 02:35 AM

mysticlighthouse

09-17-2003, 05:12 PM

Also redundancy and users per box is a big thing to think about.

If they have several sites per box that are big bandwidth hogs, that can really cripple your site.

ather143

09-26-2003, 07:38 AM

Hello
(Mod edit: No advertising please)

best regards
Ashfaque

pandela

01-04-2006, 02:59 AM

OK, I don't pay for hosting, because I found the greatest FREE web hosting at www.pandela.com - these guys are really great, I even nicknamed myself after them, because I got obsessed - it is really great hosting - with PHP covering, customer support 24 hours a day, domain hosting (you can add several domains to be hosted at the same time - isn't it great ) So if you are interested, check it out & you'll never return to your old pay-hosts.

vwebworld

01-04-2006, 03:48 AM