Question about including google search result in a site

[gworld]

Hi

I did a search but I could not find the answer to this question here, so if it has been discussed before just point me to the right thread.

I did a search on the name of a company and web site that I have and since this name is very specific, I was surprised that to see many sites that was found in the result.
I clicked on the results and it goes to different sites that include a dynamic serach result from Google in their own page and since my sites ranks well for certain key words then the name of my sites gets included in their page through the search.

1- What are the advantages of doing this, do these sites get a higher ranking in google by including google's own results and forcing google to spider it?

2- Is this permitted or not? If it is not then why there is so many of these sites that are doing it?

Thanks.

[bhartzer]

These are called "scraper sites". Simply put, they are bottom-feeding scum sites (in other words, search engine spam sites). Some people cannot come up with their own content for a website so they use a bot to grab search results and make other search engine think that it's content. They then put their own ads on it so they make money.

What are the advantages? They make thousands of these sites on thousands of topics--and they get enough people to visit them to apparently make some money, usually by putting Google AdSense ads on them.

Is this permitted? Hardly. It's some of the worst search engine spam I've ever seen. Google and the other search engines are working hard to get rid of this junk that's simply clogging up their databases. The search engines would actually be glad if you were to turn them in--sometimes they have trouble finding them all.

Apparently there are so many sites doing it because it makes the person who created them some money. They just create this nonsense-content and put it on a domain name--it might work for a while until they "get caught" and then they put it on another domain.

The search engines would prefer that you tell them about these useless spam sites (especially Google if the site has Google AdSense on it). Some people, though, feel that it's their ethical duty not to turn in these types of sites.

[cbp]

My sites appear of lots of these on a daily basis (I use Google Alerts) - I just forward them all to Google Adsense with a complaint ---

CBP

[gworld]

Ok I understand that it is not a good thing but does any one knows how it effects Google's search algorithm.

I know the value of inbound links for google, so how does these type of sites with almost no inbound link can rank so well to end up in first page result?

Let's assume that we have 2 similar page with the same content, description, meta tags, inbound links but one includes the search result and the other one doesn't. which page ranks higher? no effect? small effect in ranking or huge effect?

[beegee99]

My sites appear of lots of these on a daily basis (I use Google Alerts) - I just forward them all to Google Adsense with a complaint ---

CDP I have the same problem, as well have the Google alerts. What address do you forward the alert to, and do you make a statement in the message?

Thanks

Brian

[cbp]

I just send it to adsense@google.com with a note that these sites appear to be "made for adsense" and may violate the ToS and I thought they might like to know about them..... I have no idea if they really do vioate the ToS, but they piss me off ....

CBP

[cbp]

Here is the relevant part of the ToS:

No Google ad may be placed on pages published specifically for the purpose of showing ads, whether or not the page content is relevant.

[labeler2003]

I've reported many sites doing this. I've used the "Dissatisfied? Help us improve" link at the bottom of Google's SERPs. From what I can tell every site I've reported is still in the Google SERPs--although they have changed how they display the scraped information. The most common way I now seeing for displaying scraped info is by putting it in an inline frame. I'd guess that Google is addressing this through automated means and the scrapers are staying one step ahead of Google.

[gworld]

Ok I understand that it is not a good thing but does any one knows how it effects Google's search algorithm.

I know the value of inbound links for google, so how does these type of sites with almost no inbound link can rank so well to end up in first page result?

Let's assume that we have 2 similar page with the same content, description, meta tags, inbound links but one includes the search result and the other one doesn't. which page ranks higher? no effect? small effect in ranking or huge effect?

It seems the real purpose of this thread is getting lost and it is becoming about how to complain to google.
Does any one knows the answer to my questions?

[bhartzer]

Yes, I tried to give you the answer to your question(s) as best as I could in my previous post. I'll try it again if I wasn't clear the first time:

What are the advantages of doing this, do these sites get a higher ranking in google by including google's own results and forcing google to spider it?
No, Google doesn't recognize its own results. They just see it as another unique page--until either someone complains that it's spam or their algorithm recognizes it as spam. Either way, they don't last long in the results. The only "advantage" is that each page would appear to be on the same subject or topic.


Is this permitted or not?
No, it's not permitted and these sites eventually get banned in Google. It just takes some time to get banned--which is why people put these sites up in the first place.

If they link to your site they really cannot hurt you unless you link back to them.

[gworld]

Ok I understand that it is not a good thing but does any one knows how it effects Google's search algorithm.

I know the value of inbound links for google, so how does these type of sites with almost no inbound link can rank so well to end up in first page result?

Let's assume that we have 2 similar page with the same content, description, meta tags, inbound links but one includes the search result and the other one doesn't. which page ranks higher? no effect? small effect in ranking or huge effect?

bhartzer, according to you it has no effect, so how do you explain that these pages can rank in the first page result on google without having any link to it?

[Serj]

There are 2 reasons why they rank so well, 1 they are not after very competitive words. Conent still plays a big part in the Google algo. 2 Yes they do have a bunch of links pointing to their sites, because they have hundreds of these sites, each of them pointing to another of their sites.

[toroandbruin]

On the subject of how these sites make money -- well, they not only show up in search engine results thereby getting people to click on them (resulting in a few cents profit from their google ads). They also send spam emails to "webmaster@" or "postmaster@" or some such name saying, "We've linked to your site. How about a link back?" Even if the webmaster only clicks on the link to see the listing and then ignores it, that's another click!

About 6 weeks ago I received a sudden wave of these emails to a semi-non-public address rather than one of my very-disposible-ones. How the spiders found that particular address I don't know. A quick search for links to me via linkpopularity.com showed a whole raft of scraper site links! And yes, some were found by Google. The top level domain name is usually something general like "best123info.com". The secondary domain name under which your site sits is something appropriate like "finance.best123info.com" or "sports.best123info.com".

I don't think all these scraper sites are using Google. I've seen a couple that used DMOZ. And some of the other results don't look to me like Google (just a gut feel).

The awful thing is that a few of these auto-generated pages have actually been pretty good! I've clicked through to some of the other sites listed to see if maybe they'd be a good, genuine, reciprocal-link prospect. However, I'm sure they don't do anything good for my various websites' Google rankings and may even lower them! I tried replying to just one "you're listed" email saying "please remove" but of course it bounced. I haven't bothered trying the others.

I'm surprised there hasn't been a WebProWorld feature article on this.

[bhartzer]

how do you explain that these pages can rank in the first page result on google without having any link to it?
They are new pages and Google isn't showing us the backlinks they know about.

[gworld]

how do you explain that these pages can rank in the first page result on google without having any link to it?
They are new pages and Google isn't showing us the backlinks they know about.

I think your answer is little too simple. What ever people like to say about these people, you must anyway admit that they are smart enough to get their pages in the top 10 result. If it was as simple as having links, many people have those why these pages rank so well?

If like some people suggest that they only need content, then why shouldn't they just make a page with one of the doorway softwares and copy and paste some content or just use an static result from google in the page?

Why go through the trouble and bandwidth to generate dynamic search results? since the search result with descriptions must be already optimized for the search word, doesn't this result improves the content of the page and therefor causes a better ranking?

I am also not clear if this is against Google policy and why. Let's say I have a page in my site about Ferrari Daytona, If in the end of my content, I use the Google API and include top 10 search result from Google about this subject, what am I guilty off?

Using Google API to get search result? Why should Google be against this if I am helping them with marketing of their search engine? What is the purpose of their API otherwise?

[adbart]

..... I have no idea if they really do vioate the ToS, but they piss me off ....Lol.


Let's say I have a page in my site about Ferrari Daytona, If in the end of my content, I use the Google API and include top 10 search result from Google about this subject, what am I guilty off?
That would be fine. The point is, these sites don't have any real content in them - they are simply results on another page, but with advertising.