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Garrett
12-09-2003, 06:39 PM
I just attended the Search Term Research forum, which focused on helping understand which search terms to optimize for.

Key phrases. According to Andy Beal, VP Search Marketing, KeywordRanking.com (http://www.keywordranking.com/) and ProRanking.com (http://www.proranking.com/), WebSourced, Inc (http://www.websourced.com/), "78% of searchers use 1-3 search terms at a time." For example, if you want to get windows on your house, you would search for the phrase "house windows," not just "windows" because a search for windows would most likely bring up a Microsoft site!

What does this mean for website owners? Well, it means that you should start optimizing for key phrases, not just key words.

More hints and tips from Andy: generic names dominate searches more than brand names. People aren't searching for Harleys, for example; they're searching for motorcycles.

A short phrase = a popular phrase = a competitive phrase. Andy's advised against this in the past but with analyzing competition, etc., he now says it's a good idea to try to get search terms in highly competitive areas.

Content is still king. To get top rankings for your terms you must back up with content. While emphasis is put on keywords remember that content is very important.

Word Tracker. Andy recommends using a systematic approach for brainstorming keywords. He suggests Word Tracker, which costs $7 per day, or $220 per year. Word Tracker has 390 million searches and collects data from metacrawlers rather than the main search engines. This is because people aren't searching metacrawlers for page rank; thus they have cleaner listings.

Don't rely necessarily on keyword databases, though, as they are usually 30-60 days out of date.

Make sure you choose the right key phrases. As Andy says, "Consider the intent of the searcher. Make sure the term you've chosen is actually related to your product." For example, if you're a toy store, you may sell one kind of toy but you don't want adult toys coming up in a search.

Keyword research. Chris Copeland, Partner, Managing Director, Outrider Search Marketing, says, "Keyword research is not a one-time event. You need to look at your competitors and make updates based on what they're doing, based on product changes."

Stemming. This was mentioned earlier, so apparently it's a hot topic! Danny Sullivan, editor of SearchEngineWatch.com (http://www.searchenginewatch.com), says, "Competition has expanded in Google because of stemming." What's good about this is learning that Google is using stemming now.

Let's say, for example, you are doing a search for "walking shoes." Your results will show results with word "walk" and word "shoe." The positive side: it expands number of results the search engine gives you. The negative side: the results won't necessarily be as accurate. This is a very interesting issue. What does that mean for the future of search engines? I don't know yet, but we'll see...

Google's here to stay... for now. All day long, a lot of people have brought up Google. One thing's for sure: there's definitely a lot of anti-Google feeling and a lot of people who are looking to other search engines, but a lot of experts don't think Google is going anywhere. Copeland says, "Google is still providing good results. They're still giving the best user experience out of all the search engines. The outcry right now is from people who are not [Google's] audience. The outcry is from people who are trying to optimize their sites. Google is trying to be a tool for the searchers, not the optimizers."

The downside? Yahoo!, Teomi, and others allow you to refine your searches, whereas there are no query refinement tools in Google. These refinements are very important for keyword research because they suggest terms you may use.

Search Engines aren't bad guys! Some search engines may have a bad rap, but during the Cleaning Up the Mess section, Chris Shermann, Associate Editor of SearchEngineWatch.com (http://searchenginewatch.com/) and president of Searchwise (http://www.searchwise.net/), said, "If you are penalized, there is a tendancy to be afraid, but the real intent of the search engines is to provide the best content for the end users."

So, is Google just misunderstood, or do you really think it's days at the top are numbered?

Voice your opinions, and I'll be back with more info and interviews soon...

DylanW
12-10-2003, 10:02 AM
A short phrase = a popular phrase = a competitive phrase. Andy's advised against this in the past but with analyzing competition, etc., he now says it's a good idea to try to get search terms in highly competitive areas.
Did he give any more reasoning behind the change (i.e., did he recognize something changing in the industry, or was this just a change in strategy after analyzing the subject again?)

DanThies
12-10-2003, 02:36 PM
As I recall, it was really just a matter of Andy deciding that you shouldn't be afraid to compete for search terms that are really relevant and really targeted.

He's not advocating that you go after them just because they're popular or competitive, just that if they're "your" keywords that your customers would use to try to find you, competition shouldn't stop you from using them.

In my opinion, there's never as much competition as there seems to be.

12-10-2003, 05:53 PM
The downside? Yahoo!, Teomi, and others allow you to refine your searches, whereas there are no query refinement tools in Google. These refinements are very important for keyword research because they suggest terms you may use.

Well Google does provide a SEARCH WITHIN YOUR RESULTS feature. However, this is a very basic, lets add some keywords to the original query.

tnt
12-10-2003, 08:53 PM
Many say the new Google and the recent "dancing with rankings" dog and pony show are designed to benefit searchers. But sometimes it seems you would hardly know by searching.

For example, I own a small California web design company. Thinking about how to structure my search phrases I searched Google for California Web Design Company, no quotes. I did in fact spend an hour and dig 50 pages down, and to be fair, the search did produce a significant number of web design companies, a few of whom were in California. But thanks to the Google algo, stemming, and poor Google search refinement tools, I found a huge number of misses mixed in the results, including these selected gems, in the order I found them:

Welcome to Mervyns ... Affiliate Program
Energy Solutions from Sempra Energy ... The other is Southern California Gas Co.
Richmond American Homes. New Home Builder in Arizona ... Our designers will guide you with your selections.
kingsnake.com - the information portal for reptile and amphibian ... Outback Reptile Company
Cal Poly Construction Management Dept. Home Page ... Environmental Design
Index / Directory of Energy Commission Website ... Geothermal Energy in California;
Fast Company | How Google Searches Itself ... Google, the search-engine company in Mountain View, California
CHANK FONTS: Fonts with Flavor! ... a Swede's ode to German design
American Theater Web - Find theaters, Broadway shows, and ... ATW California Clippings
The World-Wide Web Virtual Library: Chemistry ... Chemistry and Materials Technology
HSS : Social Sciences : Recent Working Papers ... crossover voting in California Assembly Races
Altera: Leaders in FPGA, CPLD and Programmable Logic Devices ... arrow Japanese Web Site
Landings: Aviation related companies on the web: Index-A ... Minutes from Arizona
RV America - The Home of the RV Industry on the Internet ...constantly adding new resources
Ian A. Waitz ... Institute of Technology, Pasadena, California Supersonic combustion
Texas Advertising @ The University of Texas at Austin ... BZA Internet Marketing Services
EIA Links Page... Automotive Trade Organizations of California American Bioenergy
The Religious Society of Friends ... Richmond, IN; Friends House of Santa Rosa, California
The New York Times on the Web ... Some Inspired Slide Show
Russell A. Beattie Resume ... Spanish telecommunications company
Fast Companies Database ... US Columbus, OH Capital Group Companies San Antonio
MEXICO CHANNEL (c) Business Center … Mexican Companies & Organizations
whump.com | More Like This WebLog ... This is horrible design. ... Microsoft, TimeWarner, Yahoo, and Google
Water Environment Federation ... Offer Regional Watershed Info
About TrainWeb ... website would feature "trains on the web"
State of Denial - Prologue: Homes a model of ecological design ... oldest and best-known logging companies
iLoveLanguages - Your Guide to Languages on the Web ... tape lessons including a Spanish for Medical Professionals tape
Radon ... that install and or design radon mitigation
nada.org - National Automobile Dealers Association ... The newly designed products
Beekeeper's Web Links ... Queen Breeding Information. Gondar Design - North London ... First Bees in California
California Aquaculture ... along with new articles and photographs
Talking WithBurt Rutan ... Ted Eschi recently interviewed Burt Rutan
California Pottery: From Missions to Modernism ... to the quality of commercial ceramic design in America
Links To Egypt ... Rosicrucian Egyptian Museum San Jose

IMHO, the main benfit for searchers using Google is the large number of returns you get. If you spend enough time and dig deep enough, you're bound to find something along the lines of what you're searching for. But as with government services, you may have to use them, but simply being a monopoly may not necessarily guarantee the best in quality.