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emil
12-04-2003, 02:49 PM
Hello,

I was the first in goole.it, (italian version) for months. Listed in the first 5 positions for the last years. Don't be mad at me ... i talk about one of the biggiest italian hosting company's website. I have a dedicated IP, 100% uptime, you can imagine that i have all the incoming links i want. And i was the first with the word "hosting".
Now it's all gone. OK, I will buy the pay-per-click thing, but does anyone have any idea how is possible that form one day to another you just loose 3 years of search engine optimization?
Thanks.
Emil

rlrouse
12-04-2003, 04:16 PM
...but does anyone have any idea how is possible that form one day to another you just loose 3 years of search engine optimization?

Yes, a simple algorithm tweak. It happened to lots of high quality sites.

greeneagle
12-06-2003, 11:24 PM
You still have a 60% Google Relevancy Ranking, but for the life of me I can't tell what you offer going to your home page.

A 60% GRR means that you are still getting traffic from certain keywords, above competitors.

Research your stats and determine if your visitors search strings are relevant to what your core business is. Rewrite your HTML to better convey a core niche. You can't be everything to everybody!
Hope this helps,
Ken

minstrel
12-06-2003, 11:37 PM
You still have a 60% Google Relevancy Ranking
How is Google Relevancy Ranking (aka GRR) calculated?

greeneagle
12-07-2003, 02:49 AM
That's Google's secret, but anyone and view the Google ranking on any page after downloading their toolbar here:
http://toolbar.google.com/

Ken

cbp
12-07-2003, 04:06 AM
view the Google ranking on any page

You can only get PR (PageRank) from the toolbar. This has nothing to do with the "google relevancy ranking" and only a little to do with the ranking of a page.

CBP

greeneagle
12-07-2003, 11:12 AM
CDP states:

"You can only get PR (PageRank) from the toolbar. This has nothing to do with the "google relevancy ranking" and only a little to do with the ranking of a page.".

I did use the wrong terminology, but the advise still stands as good. According to GOOGLE’s own explanation PageRank plays a large part in search result relevancy for their algorithms. If it had no part in relevancy then examination of PR would have no value and the toolbar would only be useful for searches and pop up blocking :

PageRank Explained
PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page's value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer volume of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves "important" weigh more heavily and help to make other pages "important."
Important, high-quality sites receive a higher PageRank, which Google remembers each time it conducts a search. Of course, important pages mean nothing to you if they don't match your query. So, Google combines PageRank with sophisticated text-matching techniques to find pages that are both important and relevant to your search. Google goes far beyond the number of times a term appears on a page and examines all aspects of the page's content (and the content of the pages linking to it) to determine if it's a good match for your query.
Briefly reviewing http://www.freestats.biz/
The primary English keywords in order are: “web, statistics, free, tools, webtools” . These are some of the more competitive keywords on the Internet.
Keyword density analysis:
Web – Total density = .23
Statistics – Total density = .34
Free – Total Density = 2.32
Tools – Total Density = .11
Webtools - Total Density = 11
I simply tried to state in the previous post that on reviewing your site that keyword density is below minimum on virtually every single keyword. The page does not have an introductory paragraph which could be wordsmithed to help with keyword density and capture an audience right away. There ar at least 6 graphics that could be alt taged and the bullet points could be modified in line with keywords or vice versa.
These suggestions along with the 60% Page Rank (Since Google sees this as a fairly important page) should help increase traffic again.
These issues very well could be the reason that certain keywords dropped out of site for the Site owner.
Goog Luck,
Hope this helps.
Ken

cbp
12-07-2003, 03:10 PM
greeneagle

You have misread what Google said. In your quote from Google:


So, Google combines PageRank with sophisticated text-matching techniques to find pages that are both important and relevant to your search

They combine PageRank with relevancy to determine ranking. They say nothing about PageRank being related to relevancy.

PageRank is purely a measure of links coming into a site. It is determined by:
1) The number of links pointing to a page (not a site)
2) The PageRank of the page that the link is from
3) The number of links on the page that the link is from
4) If the link is on a page that is in the Google index.

Go to minstrel site ... the PageRank is 4. The relevancy of this site to its topic is 100% (unrelated to PR). The site is 0% relevant if seaching for janeth's site (but the PR is still a 4).

Relevancy is deterimined by a whole range of other things (eg keywords on page link is from; keywords in anchor text; keyword density etc etc) - this is related to over 100 things.

Final ranking in results is a factor of PageRank and relevance to the search word(s) after the application of filter(s).

CBP