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wenwilder
08-15-2004, 02:25 PM
By Robert Lemos
CNET News.com
August 13, 2004, 12:47 PM PT

Microsoft has been waiting for security researchers to say that its Windows operating system has a lower total cost of ownership. One finally has, but that's not good news.
On Friday, David Aitel, a noted security professional and managing director of vulnerability assessment firm Immunity, published a paper stating that "owning" a computer--hacker-speak for compromising a system--is easier if the target computer runs Windows. While couched in puns and jokes, the paper takes a serious stance on the security of Windows compared with modern Linux, Aitel said.

"We are having some fun with it, but the underlying data and conclusions are real," he said.

The paper, titled "Microsoft Windows: A lower Total Cost of 0wnership," mocks other, typically Microsoft-funded, research, such as a study done by IDC that maintains Windows costs less to implement in four out of five corporate applications. Another such study, released by Forrester, found that a particular measure of the threat of vulnerabilities was higher for Linux than for Windows--but the data used by the study was broadly questioned.

The Aitel paper marks the first time that a security professional with hands-on experience of hacking both Linux and Windows systems has weighed in on the issue.

His conclusion: The security of Windows computers is easier to breach than modern Linux computers, despite more than two years of work by Microsoft to secure its operating system under its Trustworthy Computing initiative. Microsoft declined to comment on the paper.

The report has very little supporting data, however, making it less of a challenge to Microsoft and more of another voice in the long-running debate between the two operating-system camps.

Based on their tentative data, Immunity's researchers found that their average time to find a flaw in the Red Hat-sponsored Fedora Core 2 distribution of Linux was about six days--twice as long on average as it took to find previously unknown Windows vulnerabilities. Several factors affect that time, including better tools for finding flaws in Windows systems, better kernel-level defenses in Linux, and more known points in Windows to execute attack code, the researchers noted.

Microsoft recently released a massive security update for Windows XP, a reaction to the massive spread of the MSBlast, or Blaster, worm a year ago, but that still will not close most of the holes until a major security feature in PC processors is more widely available, Aitel said. That feature, known as the nonexecutable flag or write-XOR-execute bit, allows processors to prevent attackers from executing code. However, only Advanced Micro Devices has introduced the technology, which it calls enhanced virus protection (EVP), into its mainstream processors.

Adding to the security issues he has with Windows, Aitel pointed out that, while getting customers to patch is a problem for both platforms, Linux patching utilities update a wide variety of applications, not just the core operating system, as is typical of Windows fixes.

netman4ttm
08-17-2004, 11:30 AM
Working in both environs; I'm not all that sure that Linux is more or less secure than Windows.
The problem is that setting up good security is made user difficult.
I think Linux can be made more secure than Windows, but both OS's will put you in Hades, to do do it. Lets face it regedit is not in the 'normal'Windows user's vocabulary and running as /chroot is not in the 'normal' Linux user's realm of experience.
Having setup a super secure Linux system, I have learned that most security issues are not all that obvious (I have a keen grasp of the obvious). For either system, or any system to be secure, the installation process must ask the right questions and then lock down the system to reflect the purpose of the computer. Until that happens we will be insecure.
For examble, you should not have to be root or Administrator to make changes to a printer's configuration; where the paper comes from where its going, whether its duplexed, stapled or hole punched. But both systems require that you have that status in order to setup a printer.
For security to be effective it must be easy to setup, otherwise the security features will remain unimplemented.
Attitudes need to change. I noted that IBM is not loading service pack 2, because it might break some applications. In other words, to hell with security, we are going to make sure that our applications work even if every hacker in the world knows how to break into our systems.

mikmik
08-17-2004, 12:23 PM
wen's quoted
Adding to the security issues he has with Windows, Aitel pointed out that, while getting customers to patch is a problem for both platforms, Linux patching utilities update a wide variety of applications, not just the core operating system, as is typical of Windows fixes

Whatever that means?
Windows runs everthing off the core (kernal), and Linux is based more on modules, so of course there are more patches!

That is one problem I have with windows, though, is that if something hijacks the Lsass, or svchost dll's, it is very difficult to do damage control because so many applications run from those two, and windows needs them to run.

I know seting up a security template for Windows is more than a nightmare, but that gets into a lot of domain controller stuff that isn't relevant.

The main advantage I found with SuSE is that the firewall is easier to set up, but you have to know what modules to install there, also. The Windows port blocking is very well hidden, and I don't like all the file and printer sharing, QOS scheduling, and MS Networks that instal by default. Even then, I still cannot manually block certain UDP ports like 136-139.

You are 100%, netman4ttm, more options and explanations during install!