How To Build A Web Page In 25 Steps

[wenwilder]

1. Download a piece of Web authoring software - 20 minutes.

2. Think about what you want to write on your Web page - 6 weeks.

3. Download the same piece of Web authoring software, because they have released 3 new versions since the first time you downloaded it - 20 minutes.

4. Decide to just steal some images and awards to put on your site - 1 minute.

5. Visit sites to find images and awards, find 5 of them that you like - 4 days.

6. Run setup of your Web authoring software. After it fails, download it again - 25 minutes.

7. Run setup again, boot the software, click all toolbar buttons to see what they do - 15 minutes.

8. View the source of others' pages, steal some, change a few words here and there - 4 hours.

9. Preview your Web page using the Web Authoring software - 1 minute.

10. Try to horizontally line up two related images - 6 hours.

11. Remove one of the images - 10 seconds.

12. Set the text's font color to the same color as your background, wonder why all your text is gone - 4 hours.

13. Download a counter from your ISP - 4 minutes.

14. Try to figure out why your counter reads "You are visitor number -16.3 E10" - 3 hours.

15. Put 4 blank lines between two lines of text - 8 hours.

16. Fine-tune the text, then prepare to load your Web page on your ISP - 40 minutes.

17. Accidentally delete your complete web page - 1 second.

18. Recreate your web page - 2 days.

19. Try to figure out how to load your Web page onto your ISP's server - 3 weeks.

20. Call a patient friend to find out about FTP - 30 minutes.

21. Download FTP software - 10 minutes.

22. Call your friend again - 15 minutes.

23. Upload your web page to your ISP's server - 10 minutes.

24. Connect to your site on the web - 1 minute.

25. Repeat any and all of the previous steps - eternity.

[matauri]

17. Accidentally delete your complete web page - 1 second.

That brings back painful memories! In my sleepless tupor one nite I not only deleted on page, but I deleted the whole folder of pages...and all before I uploaded them :-(

Morale of story....when you delete & the window comes up to ask if your sure you want to delete...READ IT !

:-)

Cindy

[rocky1]

Spoken like a true veteran Wen! No wonder you're a moderator.

However, you left out ~ 5.5 Find reciprocal links - 4 days.
Finding out they aren't really reciprocal after all - 4 weeks!
Reciprocating and removing non-reciprocal links - 5 minutes.

8.5 Learning CSS should be set up on one external sheet and not in the head of each of 300 pages
on your site! - 5 minutes. Fixing the problem - 5 days!


15. Put 4 blank lines between two lines of text - 8 hours.

Insert between "text" and "- 8 hours." ~ without going




.....

[labrynth_of_fire]

Spoken like a true veteran Wen! No wonder you're a moderator.

However, you left out ~ 5.5 Find reciprocal links - 4 days. Finding out they aren't really reciprocal after all - 4 weeks! Reciprocating and removing non-reciprocal links - 5 minutes.

8.5 Learning CSS should be set up on one external sheet and not in the head of each of 300 pages on your site! 5 minutes. Fixing the problem 5 days!


15. Put 4 blank lines between two lines of text - 8 hours.

Insert between "text and - 8 hours." ~ without going



.....
or you could use
<pre>



</pre>

[rocky1]

or you could use
<pre>



</pre>


~~ LOL ~~ Above was inferred with much sarcasm and humor, my young friend! It's a joke, eh!


And, who fixed that eternal side scroll I created there anywho? Wen was that you? The suspense was such a nifty effect, in that particular case, that I simply had to leave it!

Rocky

[rlrouse]

However, you left out ~ 5.5 Find reciprocal links - 4 days.

Find out that your reciprocal links are pointing to link farms - (If you're lucky, a couple of Google update cycles. If not, never.)

[janeth]

I love
rocky1's
"Finding out they aren't really reciprocal after all - 4 weeks!"

There are some many web sites that do that. I do it from time to time on accident but I think a lot of people do it on purpose.

[rocky1]

To be honest with you... the worst scenario I've experienced in reciprocal links was attributable to association with WPW.

I was contacted by an individual concerning a reciprocal link on their outdoor and camping supply site, who had reviewed my site herein. So I checked their site over, and everything appeared pretty much on the level. There were a few links to Animal Rights Groups therein, however there were also links to a few Hunting and Fishing sites on a seperate page. In that she had offered opposing views in what appeared a just manner, I accepted the Animal Rights Groups advertisement with a grain of salt and linked her up. Upon checking a few days later she had pulled the page offering the Hunting and Fishing links, including mine, and simply left the Animal Rights Links.

In reciprocating that one, I left her link up for a few weeks. However, I clearly stated her actions, her intent, and her cause on my index page, and changed the target URL on my link to her site, from her homepage, directly too the Activist's page, which I'm relatively certain didn't boost her sales on any visitors from my site!

The others... I would concur with Janeth, some appear simple oversight, other's you can e-mail them or sign up daily for 2 - 3 weeks and it never happens. I've started giving them about 2 days, after which I promptly jerk their link off my site. Likewise, I've started offering the same position in reciprocal service. They demand front page placement and stick your link twelve pages deep in their site. So I stick theirs up front until they find it, and get me linked up, then move it back to a position similar to that they offer me.

Rocky

[carju1]

And, who fixed that eternal side scroll I created there anywho? Wen was that you? The suspense was such a nifty effect, in that particular case, that I simply had to leave it!

Rocky

Much as I would like to let Wen take the blame for it (hehehe I can do that now there's other mods in here, before I had to blame Brittany and she bites:) it was I - I got a PM from another member (no not one of the posters on this thread) saying the scroll was messed up so I added a few
's to help it out a bit.

Julian

[rocky1]

I thought about fixing it when I posted it, and in fact I started too, but I must admit I couldn't resist leaving it for Wen too have to scroll across, and wonder if it were going to go on forever! I figured if she meandered that far out into never-never land, there was no telling what sort of goodies she might come back with! And, I had to try it and see.... };~)

Rocky

[softwaresubmit]

5. Visit sites to find images and awards, find 5 of them that you like - 4 days.

ONLY five...? I say - let it be fifty! One hundred! And let them all blink and be animated, and... yes, YES! MOVING!!! That's ittt...! And make them colorfull like a rainbow, and even more blinking, moving, and animated! My precioussss animated distractors...

[janeth]

What is the deal with these awards. If you see an ugly site you can bet some where on the home page is an award.

I say we start our on award "The Golden Dummy Award"

[wenwilder]

5. Visit sites to find images and awards, find 5 of them that you like - 4 days.

ONLY five...? I say - let it be fifty! One hundred! And let them all blink and be animated, and... yes, YES! MOVING!!! That's ittt...! And make them colorfull like a rainbow, and even more blinking, moving, and animated! My precioussss animated distractors...

You saw one of my old sites didn't you? :) The one with rainbow lines and blinking animations, fake fires, and midi's that locked up your browser, and moving vehicles, animals, eyes, and the little red dancing 7-up dots and the black background with the dark red text........awwww those were the days. Wait, I never designed a site like that...it was the wood background and blinking text with bad animations, I remember now! If I could only remember the URL's of some of those sites I'd be more than happy to post them in a "What NOT to do" section. :)

I do remember one, but I didn't design the site I only made the main graphic, the rest was 'designed(?)' by someone else. http://www.kcmi.cc/ ....goodluck and I hope you come back without any psychological damage ;)

[softwaresubmit]

http://www.kcmi.cc/ ....goodluck and I hope you come back without any psychological damage ;)

No dancing lines, fires, animations... even wood background :-/ Well, I am disappointed. This is a pretty good site design. Not everyone might like it, but it is all right.

Are you sure this is one of those to post to a "What NOT to do" section...?

[wenwilder]

I should have looked at the site before I posted the URL - that's a HUGE change from what it use to look like. Major improvement! I guess I'm going to have to think now! Gotta make up for showing you a good site and thinking it was still bad. :)

[rocky1]

Okay if you really want one Wen.... just don't tell no one where you got it!

http://www.geocities.com/ndlmra/index.html

And, another by the same webmaster!

http://www.geocities.com/backdraft1421/


Warning!!! The URLs listed above are offered souly for the sake of Wen reminiscing and in no way reflect my opinion regarding association with the NDLMRA, or the master of those websites! Joe's a real nifty guy, he just has allot to learn about web design.

[janeth]

He did not have the web award on either site.

Also it sounds like this may be a personal frined to Rocky

The way Rocky is talking about him

[mikmik]

softwaresubmit said, much to my relief!
No dancing lines, fires, animations... even wood background :-/ Well, I am disappointed. This is a pretty good site design. Not everyone might like it, but it is all right.
I was looking, and looking, view source - php data base query-OK WAIT A SEC. Is there something seriously wrong with this site, or are we talking the most difficult to please , nit pickingest, low down, two bit..Please, don't look at my stuff you jello worshipping...
And then the realization: I suspected my sanity before the wenwilder?! Where's minstrel when I need him.
But then, reality, on to site two;
Rocky1, my man, Can't do no Fifty-Five as midi, I just started laughing all the harder the more the song played. Guess mister 21 in. moniter hasn't seen it on a 800x600 14in, or maybe he is just twisted, in a good way, mind you.

[rocky1]

He did not have the web award on either site.

Also it sounds like this may be a personal frined to Rocky

The way Rocky is talking about him

Not real close and personal, just got acquainted last year when I inquired about the association and started looking to build a mower. But, he is allot of fun to visit with. Great personality; fantastic sense of humor. And, a very dedicated racer of lawn mowers.




Rocky1, my man, Can't do no Fifty-Five as midi, I just started laughing all the harder the more the song played. Guess mister 21 in. moniter hasn't seen it on a 800x600 14in, or maybe he is just twisted, in a good way, mind you.

I'm doubting we're looking at a 21 inch monitor there Mik. Joe don't strike me as being that die hard a computer geek. I think he just likes building wiiiiide pages! }:~)


Rocky

Rocky

[carju1]

Hey we made the home page with this topic not once but twice. WEn's original post got on there though I think jello would have been better than the lightbulb picture and best of all Cindy's admission that she deleted a whole web site made it as Off-Topic Comment of the day. Hope the client who (I hope) got charged overtime under miscellaneous technical issues doesn't spot it ROFLMAO :)

Julian

p.s. I once did a rm *.* in root, ooops, glad I had a 15 minute hot back-up server that day.

[matauri]

best of all Cindy's admission that she deleted a whole web site made it as Off-Topic Comment of the day. Hope the client who (I hope) got charged overtime under miscellaneous technical issues doesn't spot it ROFLMAO :)

LOL... in my dreams Julian ! My conscience got the better of me as usual :-( And not likely I would divulge the client either... you think me nuts??? Oh..OK...don't answer that ;-)

Though I like the idea of adding that "miscellaneous technical issues" when quoting ! I could make a fortune just out of that alone! ;-)


Cindy

[janeth]

Hi rocky1,

Did you ever build yourself a lawn mower?

[carbonize]

Step 26 - Look at it in Internet Explorer as this is the only browser you have and think it looks good not realising how messed up it will look in other browsers.

[matauri]

Step 27... Get chastized by Carbonize for doing that (2mins)
Step 28... Get disheartened that you really aren't as clever as ya thought ya were..and sulk (1 week+)
Step 29... Visit WPW & discover there is a hell of other stuff you didnt know either (indefinite!)

;-)


Cindy

[carbonize]

Hey some people gripe about people not defining a background colour and some of us gripe about people writing HTML. CSS, and Javascript that only works on Internet Explorer.

[matauri]

OK...then we add.....


Step 30...be shattered when some aussie nitpicker growls at you for not defining a background colour (time it takes to scull a strong drink)

;-)

Cindy

[softwaresubmit]

Step 26 - Look at it in Internet Explorer as this is the only browser you have and think it looks good not realising how messed up it will look in other browsers.

Sometimes costs simply do not justify the expenses of maintaining a complicated site and constantly checking and correcting against other browsers... Well, some common errors can be avoided by good code and thinking before acting, but sometimes I just don't have time and money to check, why this particular thing does not load correctly in "other" browser. Of course errors like using higly browser-dependent options are inexcusable.

Not that I deny there are other browsers... But I find IE as a browser, that has implemented the W3C standards best (not everything and everywhere, but best compared to other browsers).

[carbonize]

If IE has "best" implemented the W3C standard why is it's CSS support lacking? specially level 2. And what has cost got to do with it? Mozilla is free, Firebird is free, Opera is Free (with adverts).

[matauri]

Without sending this into a spiralling debate on cross browser compatability & archaic standards....

Time is $$$$.


Cindy

[carbonize]

And a badly designed site can mean the loss of money and potential clients.

[matauri]

hmmm.... balancing it out...& I think you would lose more money in time spent making everything compatible than you would lose from the small % that it actually affects.

But as I told Mik...I am on a mission to prove you can be 'accessible' & 'compatible' & still look good. Just need more valium ;-)


Cindy

[OSFan]

Maybe not as many people use non-IE based browsers, as IE based browsers, but by at least coding properly for your visitors who do not come in on an Internet Explorer browser, you are saying you care.

I don't often use Internet Explorer, right this minute I am using Konqueror, and I also use Mozilla, and Mozilla Firebird. I believe more are experimenting with other browsers - even if it's just within Windows, my university encourages Netscape by having it installed on all PCs, many ISPs are putting several browsers on their setup Discs leaving the choice down to the user.

Presuming you have the browsers installed, and you are developing the files on your own PC, how long does it take to test the page in the alternatives? a few seconds to type the location and hit Enter? A few seconds to glance over it?

[rocky1]

...my university encourages Netscape by having it installed on all PCs...

The implications of Netscape's push upon Universities is far more reaching than one might anticipate. Here in North Dakota I discovered that all NDSU County Extension offices also run the Netscape browser, and thus there are, I'm sure, a great many extension office employees that run the Netscape browser at home as well.

I therefore have always made a habit of designing for cross browser performance in Netscape, and since having joined the Forum here, have likewise design for Mozilla and Opera as well, given their reported popularity on a few threads.



Not that I deny there are other browsers... But I find IE as a browser, that has implemented the W3C standards best (not everything and everywhere, but best compared to other browsers).

Having attempted numerous times to validate my pages created in Front Page 2002, I would have to argue this one! I have yet to find a page that Microsoft in their HTML Editor, has not loaded so damned much fluff to the page, that it will not validate for any of a dozen reasons! For the sake of varification of this statement, I found a page with only one paragraph, and 4 links on it, W3C found 8 errors in the code Front Page created. If Microsoft is suposedly so W3C concientious, one would think they would make their editor to create valid code!

Rocky

[rocky1]

Web Site etiquette for MikMik to review! He might even appreciate this fishin site, eh!

Why it's even from BC!!!


http://www.happydrunksfishingclub.homestead.com/happydrunkfishing.html


Rocky

[Greyhawk]

Web Site etiquette for MikMik to review! He might even appreciate this fishin site, eh!

Why it's even from BC!!!


http://www.happydrunksfishingclub.homestead.com/happydrunkfishing.html


Rocky

My God Rocky they even give the weather report for Tofino here.

Nana nana nana nana nana nana nana nana nana Fishing

Greyhawk

[rocky1]

Oh I figured some of you fellers up there in BC would have to appreciate that site!!! ~~ LOL ~~

In fact I was almost wondering if maybe some of you didn't have a hand in it!

Rocky

[rocky1]

Hi rocky1,

Did you ever build yourself a lawn mower?

I have the makings of one lying in about 200 pieces in my garage. Tore it all apart and got too busy to get it back together, once I found time I had no money, and the season was about over. Maybe next year!

It's pretty wild though, I did go down and visit with the State Association Chairman and look over his, and they're doing some pretty interesting things to them. In some of the faster classes they're cranking about 40 horsepower out of what was a 12 horsepower Briggs & Stratton Lawn Mower engine. They're capable of running somewhere around 65 miles per hour, and will in fact find most of that in a city block with room to slow down and turn around!

It's the fastest growing motor sport in the world because you can build a mower pretty reasonable. The main man suggested he could put me one together that would run competitively for less than a thousand dollars US.

Rocky

[mikmik]

OSfan put:
Presuming you have the browsers installed, and you are developing the files on your own PC, how long does it take to test the page in the alternatives? a few seconds to type the location and hit Enter? A few seconds to glance over it?
A few days to fiddle with, screw things up even worse - even stuff that was working - get it back to where you started repairs, surf the 'net checking out dozens of sites and third party code, only to find the author is worse at coding than you and his/her stuff doesn't work at all but you spend three hours trying to debug it 'cause you think it's close, give up and try some more, and THEN? - You find a site that says "Nobody knows why things don't render properly in Opera!!!"
Rocky1 !! 40 horse from a 12! Must be supercharged, balanced etc. Whatch out NHRA.


Matauri x2=
Step 30...be shattered when some aussie nitpicker growls at you for not defining a background colour (time it takes to scull a strong drink)

and

But as I told Mik...I am on a mission to prove you can be 'accessible' & 'compatible' & still look good. Just need more valium ;-)

Hey! Hey hey hey hye hey! Luckily I have minstrel around to put me back together when I get shattered LOL. And believe it or not, Cindy, I learned 2 things from you there. I AM glad to know about the bgcolor thing in browsers(even though I always use one anyho), and it doesn't matter which continent a filly comes from, she can thrash my heart! And I like it!
I see you up there, janeth(waves)!
(Oh well, all the good ones are always taken...)

[rocky1]

Rocky1 !! 40 horse from a 12! Must be supercharged, balanced etc. Whatch out NHRA.


Not supercharged or balanced but there are lots of other goodies! I was skeptical too until talking with the guy and he's not joking about it, he knows his stuff.

He starts off turning the Flywheel to half the original weight, cast cooling fan blades are replaced with a plastic cooling fan. The Piston skirt is turned to lighten the piston decreasing inertia to try and keep it in the block at high R's, additional oil ports are machined into push rod and cap for better oiling of the wrist pin. Valves are oversized to allow more rapid air flow, and the stems are turned again to lighten them and decrease inertia. Stock Briggs muffler is traded for a tuned exhaust system, Stock Carb is traded for a SnowMobile carb, because it has more jets available, allows jets to be changed more readily, and allows more and smoother fuel flow. High energy ignition is used, drive pulley is oversized to send more RPMs back to the Tranny where a smaller gear is installed to modify drive R's further yet. Output to the rear end is likewise modified, and motorcycle or Racing Kart brake components are used.

The Governor is of course removed and the factory 3200 rpm governor setting, is more than twice exceeded, they're turning them up to 7600 - 7800 rpm, is where most of the additional horsepower comes from Mik, or at least that's what i was told. And, he's burning racing fuel, but they don't figure the compression is high enough for that to do them a whole lot of good!

Even the brushes and leads on the starter are replaced with leads for an International Truck, to allow starting it in third gear, which gives him right at 7 mph with the starter, and a pretty substantial head start off the line!

Steering components are all custom design, using setup similar to that found in cars back when they had a straight front axle, allowing caster-camber and toe-in/toe-out settings, and he uses Racing Kart tires. The one model is essentially a Racing Go Kart with a tall seat and mower body on it.

It was interesting day to say the least!


But Mik.... You did not comment on ~~>http://www.happydrunksfishingclub.homestead.com/happydrunkfishing.html

Rocky