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alixrayson
07-11-2004, 12:20 PM
ok im new to this seo stuff but i have an idea, what i propose to do is set up 30 mini sites in groups of 10, all mini sites are optomized for one search term. e.g <title> = dog,
<body> = very good dogs at dog world click link for more info.
<keyword> = "dog,dogs," and domain for site is www.dogs.com. the link will then go to my main site
also there will be 10 links on each mini site to lets call it group (A) of 10 site that each does the same with another keyword/phrase and the 10 links on each site will link to all ten on group (B) amd the same again to group (C) and the main site has one link to each mini site that would mean that the main site has 30 back links and each one of the mini sites has 11 back links. its only a bit of an idea but i would like to know if anyone thinks it would work.i have done a drawing here if you would like to look www.amdr-promotions.co.uk/linkpic.htm plz can someone tell me if this is a good idea or should i go back to the drawing board
Its called spam. Whats wrong with one site?
CBP
alixrayson
07-11-2004, 05:19 PM
I don’t understand why as all mini sites will have good product specific content on them the idea I had is instead of optimizing one site for 30 keywords/phrases that I set up 30 product specific sites where it would be easier to optimize for just one search term. All sites will be relevant to the search terms that they will optimized for, so whats up with that, Why is it spam?
Fingers
07-11-2004, 05:20 PM
Its called spam. Whats wrong with one site?
CBP
30 sites! yes is a little over the top.. BUT
I know of a very very large UK car & bike classified ads site that has 4 URLs pointing to the main site. One of which is an instant redirect. I cant see if it is a java r/d or what, but they are not only getting away with it but doing very nice thank you with PR7.
If you can't beat em?
alixrayson
07-11-2004, 05:25 PM
Also if you type Performance Tyres in google you get the same one on there every time number 6 at the moment they have been there every day for 2 years look at how many different domains they have linked to them and they are all gateways that redirect to the same site
Why is it spam?
Of what use is it to the visitor?
You appear to be doing it for better search engine placement and not for the visitor and the corss linking between them is borderline --> that makes it spam.
30 product specific sites where it would be easier to optimize for just one search term.
Why is it?
If you want to rank well, you will need lots of links to all those 30 sites from external sites to (the number will depend on the competition) - thats 30 times the amount of work that needs to go into it....no one external site is going to link to all 30 (especially the important links like DMOZ) --> so you could more than likely end up with 30 mediocre to average ranked sites rather than one good one. Even the cross linking between the sites is a borderline banable offence is not done properly (and rules change).
On one of my sites, I have 150 "product" pages -- actually books as amazon affiliate - I rank number one in Google for the title of allmost all 150 (amazon usually ranks number 2; the publisher is usually further down in the rankings) - In Yahoo, amazon is usually ranked number one and I am number 2.... you can still get good ranking for product pages on one site.
If you want to "push the envelope" - you need to do a risk benefit analysis - its your choice if its worth the risk.
How often around the forums have we seen the subject line "Google just dropped my network of sites"?
IMHO, what you are proposing is spam and not worth the effort.
CBP
alixrayson
07-11-2004, 07:04 PM
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ok so where in there does it say i can't have a seperet site for each product
ok so where in there does it say i can't have a seperet site for each product
It dosen't say so anywhere. Its your risk and your huge amount of work if you want to do it.
But Google do say repeatedly:
Make pages for users, not for search engines.
You are welcome to take the risk.
However, trust me, you will most likely only get one listing in DMOZ with your network of sites (assuming there is sufficient unique content).
CBP
alixrayson
07-11-2004, 07:45 PM
Make pages for users, not for search engines.
so if I have 30 products 10 makes of radio's 10 makes of TV's and 10 makes of DVD players they are all relevant to each other because the are all home entertainment goods, I set up a site for each make/brand so lets say one of the mini sites was optimized for a brand like Sony DVD player.
if someone type's Sony DVD player in a search engine and my site comes up with content about a Sony DVD player then am I not giving the users what they wanted as well as offering relevant links to similar products to the one they searched for.
In my eyes I am trying to help the user by giving them what the want and helping myself by getting a higher listing, is this so wrong?
is this so wrong?
You are welcome to take the risk.
CBP
alixrayson
07-11-2004, 08:21 PM
You are welcome to take the risk.
What am I doing that evolves a risk?
If I only sold 3 products and set up a site for each one, and linked them all together and to my main site would that be spamming, I don’t think so, so what’s the defence between 3 and 30.
What am I doing that evolves a risk?
1. Possible excessive crosslinking penalty/filter
2. Average to mediocre rankings for 30 sites rather than a good ranking for one
CBP
alixrayson
07-11-2004, 09:35 PM
1. Possible excessive crosslinking penalty/filter
2. Average to mediocre rankings for 30 sites rather than a good ranking for one
1. Ok so why is it excessive crosslinking if you have a site with 100 pages that all link to the home page the contact page and the about us page that’s 300 links would that site get a penalty? I’m talking about 30 links that are all going to relevant sites plus i will only link in a triangle A to B and B to C.
2. why would i get an Average to mediocre ranking.
Am I right in thinking that search engines rate sites by,
1. The title.
2. The density of keywords in the description.
3. Links from other relevant sites with similar content.
4. The keywords (not on google)
5. The domain name
If so I will have all of the above in my site optimized for a specific term so why would a site that has been optimized for 30 terms come above me?
Google don't rank sites, they rank pages. The domain name is not a factor in the ranking. That is why I do not understand why you want to pursue such a risky strategy.
Ok so why is it excessive crosslinking if you have a site with 100 pages that all link to the home page the contact page and the about us page that’s 300 links would that site get a penalty?
Because "thats the way it is" - we have had numerous threads here on this cross linking stuff.
CBP
alixrayson
07-11-2004, 10:12 PM
well im going to try my luck and if it does not work the so be it but if it does then i'll let you know.