My position has dropped

[ep2012]

Hi,

OMG, for the first time in years my position has dropped to below 1st or 3rd place.

Can someone please tell me what is going on & what to do to fix it. :( My uniques have also dropped more than 50%

www.exoticpublishing.com
www.becomeanescort.com

Thank you


Michelle

[GooglePluser]

Besides the high quality and unique content requirement, Google now fights sites that have too many unnatural, and low quality links. Check your webmaster tools and if you've hot too many suspicious backlinks, try to fix this problem by removing all these links. Then you have to wait for the next crawling.
Besides this, it would be better if you use Google Plus for marketing your sites.
Good Luck

[ep2012]

Hi,

Are you saying my sites don't have good quality content?

So you are saying that if someone puts my link on their site & their site sucks I now have a problem?

How would I know if a site is quality or not other than the obvious?

Or do you mean the links I have on my site for other sites?

I still haven't figured out how to use Google Plus, like the other SM sites, I find it confusing. I'll try to get someone to train me.

Thanks


Michelle

[HTMLBasicTutor]

On April 24/12 Google released an update now called Penguin. Google just pushed an algorithmic ranking change - Per Matt Cutts (http://www.webproworld.com/webmaster-forum/threads/118011-Google-just-pushed-an-algorithmic-ranking-change-Per-Matt-Cutts?highlight=penguin)

You need to read up on it here and elsewhere. It basically was supposed to adjust for those not following the Webmaster Guidelines (http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35769).

It would appear that if you used techniques in the past that did not follow these guidelines they are coming back to haunt people.

[deepsand]

Besides the high quality and unique content requirement, Google now fights sites that have too many unnatural, and low quality links.
This is not new; Google has always tried to do this, with varying degrees of success.


Check your webmaster tools and if you've hot too many suspicious backlinks, try to fix this problem by removing all these links. Then you have to wait for the next crawling.
Not only can you not remove links that exist outside of your own Domain, the re-crawling of your Domain has absolutely nothing to do with the detection of in-bound links.


Besides this, it would be better if you use Google Plus for marketing your sites.
Making specious claims is not helpful here.

[mjtaylor]

This is not new; Google has always tried to do this, with varying degrees of success.

Not only can you not remove links that exist outside of your own Domain, the re-crawling of your Domain has absolutely nothing to do with the detection of in-bound links.



Picky, picky ...;). First of all, she didn't say it was new. And I can't remember it being successful at all in the past though I will agree that Google has made a lot of noise (and propaganda) about trying. Mostly smoke and mirrors until the Penguin. And you may very well be able to remove the links if you paid for them or traded for them or otherwise arranged them. You may certainly take steps to have them removed by asking any webmasters of lower quality sites to please remove your links. And once some or all are removed, you will, indeed, have to wait for the crawl ... of all the sites where the lower quality links have been removed.

So, I think that was sound advice, if not explained perfectly.



Making specious claims is not helpful here
Now here we are in perfect accord. This comment appears to be self promotional. :D It is the same as if I were to say, Michelle, what you need now is a great copywriter! (Hint Hint!)

Best wishes with your recovery, Michelle.

[deepsand]

Picky, picky ...;). First of all, she didn't say it was new.
It was GooglePluser who presented it as being new.

[ep2012]

I'm still not understanding what is considered a quality vs. not quality link. What about affiliates? Are we now supposed to REJECT affiliates b/c their site sucks?

This is NUTS!!!! :(

And no, this has NEVER happened to me before & I've been around since 2002.

I will go to read those URLs & see what I can do, but I just can't do this all myself. <sigh>

Thank you


Michelle

[ArthurNYC]

Exotic,

The internet is the greatest invention ever ... thanks Al Gore. Seriously, who knew you could make a living selling a book on how to become an escort. Never occurred to me. :)

Think of it this way, at any given point in time, Google creates a profile of the internet and on average, sites have 100 links to them. So if your site has 120 links Google will consider it stronger/better but if on average 50 of the links are from sites with less than 100 links but your site has 75 from those lower quality sites, Google will consider that a negative. I think Google says there are 200 variables that go into rankings/results, so now figure that for all those variables. That is the only conceivable way that Google can rank your content as good or bad ... by comparing it to what the rest of the internet is doing at any given moment in time.

So this goes back to SEO work and if SEO is dead. If your site has 100 back links to it and 75 are anchored with "become an escort" instead of exotic publishing/company name and on average, sites have a 50/50 split with keyword to company name anchored backlinks you raise a red flag.

The only response to bad rankings is make sure your site is clean and readable (by Google), all on page SEO is done to norms (if you dont know, use wordpress) and write content and get it out to more people. If the content is good (as determined by the people that are reading it), more people will pick it up and will naturally link back to you.

There is no magic bullet and unless you have a glaring error on your site ... no quick fix.

Arthur
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[Lorel509]

Hi Michelle,

Quality sites have useful content and are focused on their visitors and not full of spammy ads trying to make money off their visitors.


Check those that link to you and make note of anyone with sitewide links to your site and ask them to remove them or at least all but one.

I would go ahead and set up Google+ and a Google profile which links to your website as it is supposed to prove you are the author in conjunction with rel="author" at the end of the article (which links back to your Google profile). It will take awhile for those to take effect but it may help prevent scraping of your content. If you notice when you search in google sometime sites with pictures and other info is shown in the listing - these are the result of having a Google+ account and rel="author" set up.




Hi,

Are you saying my sites don't have good quality content?

So you are saying that if someone puts my link on their site & their site sucks I now have a problem?

How would I know if a site is quality or not other than the obvious?

Or do you mean the links I have on my site for other sites?

I still haven't figured out how to use Google Plus, like the other SM sites, I find it confusing. I'll try to get someone to train me.

Thanks


Michelle

[SteveGerencser]

I'm still not understanding what is considered a quality vs. not quality link. What about affiliates? Are we now supposed to REJECT affiliates b/c their site sucks?

Pretty much. We have had to go through a client's entire affiliate program and flat out reject/block dozens of them. We've put in place some very strict rules for anyone that wants to be an affiliate, and we check. Plus, we have started hammering them about using nofollow, even on redirected links. We have no choice.

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Quality sites have useful content and are focused on their visitors and not full of spammy ads trying to make money off their visitors.

I disagree. Many sites exist ONLY to make money off of their visitors. Does that automatically make them useless and spammy?

[ep2012]

Hi Michelle,

Quality sites have useful content and are focused on their visitors and not full of spammy ads trying to make money off their visitors.


Check those that link to you and make note of anyone with sitewide links to your site and ask them to remove them or at least all but one.

I would go ahead and set up Google+ and a Google profile which links to your website as it is supposed to prove you are the author in conjunction with rel="author" at the end of the article (which links back to your Google profile). It will take awhile for those to take effect but it may help prevent scraping of your content. If you notice when you search in google sometime sites with pictures and other info is shown in the listing - these are the result of having a Google+ account and rel="author" set up.

I have a Google + account, but I can't figure out how to use it & I've tried when someone adds me. I really can't stand G & their products. I even went into GA FINALLY & wasted tons of time trying to figure out where all the data is. This new version is soooo complicated compared to the other version. <sigh>

Thank you


Michelle

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Pretty much. We have had to go through a client's entire affiliate program and flat out reject/block dozens of them. We've put in place some very strict rules for anyone that wants to be an affiliate, and we check. Plus, we have started hammering them about using nofollow, even on redirected links. We have no choice.

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I disagree. Many sites exist ONLY to make money off of their visitors. Does that automatically make them useless and spammy?

So I can't have do follow on my blogs?

My head is just spinning. This is just terrible. So we lose tons of money & then are expected to somehow come up with the money to pay someone to get us back to where we were before? I have done nothing wrong. I never used one black hat method EVER!!! I never even paid for a link.

My site is meant to sell, my blog which is just /blog is meant to educate.

How can they expect all companies to go around & write articles about their industry. That's just nuts. We shouldn't have to be forced into doing this.

What about Yahoo & Bing, did they do the same thing?


Michelle

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Pretty much. We have had to go through a client's entire affiliate program and flat out reject/block dozens of them. We've put in place some very strict rules for anyone that wants to be an affiliate, and we check. Plus, we have started hammering them about using nofollow, even on redirected links. We have no choice.[COLOR="Silver"]

I take it you don't want to give us your rules :)

Also if they are posting banners & not text links, is that still a problem?

I remember that banners don't count as much & most affiliates (not all) use banners. I use a combo of both when I'm posting.


Michelle

[SteveGerencser]

So I can't have do follow on my blogs?

My head is just spinning. This is just terrible. So we lose tons of money & then are expected to somehow come up with the money to pay someone to get us back to where we were before? I have done nothing wrong. I never used one black hat method EVER!!! I never even paid for a link.

My site is meant to sell, my blog which is just /blog is meant to educate.

How can they expect all companies to go around & write articles about their industry. That's just nuts. We shouldn't have to be forced into doing this.

What about Yahoo & Bing, did they do the same thing?


Welcome to the new world order. It all depends on how your sales/blog funnel is set up when it comes to how you need to react. And no, Yahoo and Bing are not doing the same thing, they don't depend on links for rankings like Google does.



I take it you don't want to give us your rules :)

Also if they are posting banners & not text links, is that still a problem?

I remember that banners don't count as much & most affiliates (not all) use banners. I use a combo of both when I'm posting.
Michelle

The rules are pretty simple, they follow the Google guidelines. The difference if one of our affiliates breaks the rule we shut them off instead of waiting for Google to do it.

Links, no matter what for them come in, are supposed to have a nofollow on them if you are being paid or there is money changing hands.

[ep2012]

Exotic,

The internet is the greatest invention ever ... thanks Al Gore. Seriously, who knew you could make a living selling a book on how to become an escort. Never occurred to me. :)

Think of it this way, at any given point in time, Google creates a profile of the internet and on average, sites have 100 links to them. So if your site has 120 links Google will consider it stronger/better but if on average 50 of the links are from sites with less than 100 links but your site has 75 from those lower quality sites, Google will consider that a negative. I think Google says there are 200 variables that go into rankings/results, so now figure that for all those variables. That is the only conceivable way that Google can rank your content as good or bad ... by comparing it to what the rest of the internet is doing at any given moment in time.

So this goes back to SEO work and if SEO is dead. If your site has 100 back links to it and 75 are anchored with "become an escort" instead of exotic publishing/company name and on average, sites have a 50/50 split with keyword to company name anchored backlinks you raise a red flag.

The only response to bad rankings is make sure your site is clean and readable (by Google), all on page SEO is done to norms (if you dont know, use wordpress) and write content and get it out to more people. If the content is good (as determined by the people that are reading it), more people will pick it up and will naturally link back to you.

There is no magic bullet and unless you have a glaring error on your site ... no quick fix.

Arthur
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Wish this was the case, but in my industry it's too competitive & people get jealous & vindictive too easily. These types just don't do the same things mainstream people do like link to content, etc. b/c then their interest wouldn't be discrete.

I just found someone who put my page that is copyright on her blog & the link back wasn't even done properly as it was a cached URL or something that didn't even go to my index page, but there's no way to tell her to take it off as she has no contact page.

This is a big problem. Not all industries react the same way & mine is one of the worst as most of them don't even know what they are doing & are very computer or internet illiterate.

I actually went searching for blogs to post on & so far only found one & my post is in moderation & who knows if she's even around to approve it or will b/c I'm her competition.


Michelle

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Welcome to the new world order.

No comment.

Do you think it's a good idea to submit my site for review to G? I don't want to make things worse.



Links, no matter what for them come in, are supposed to have a nofollow on them if you are being paid or there is money changing hands.

Ok, I'm confused. If someone puts a link on my blog & it's no follow, then it won't count for G, right?

I also always thought that the backlinks to my site have to be within the same industry. Someone just said that's not true. Which is the truth?

Thanks


Michelle

[SteveGerencser]

A link is a link.

The same industry issue about linking is because a lot of people are really stupid. Google said that it helps to have links from relevant websites. Many people took that to mean, in the same industry. They were wrong. A relevant site is anything that could be relevant to the viewers of your site. Take yours for example, it would make sense that a link to a Limo company would be 'relevant'. Right?

[ep2012]

Sheesh & this whole time I thought it was ONLY links in my industry. Now I can start thinking.

Thanks


Michelle

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P.S. But this means I have to comment on blogs that I may not know a lot about I guess, right?


Michelle

[SteveGerencser]

But this means I have to comment on blogs that I may not know a lot about I guess, right?


Michelle

Not, it means you should comment on blogs that interest you so you can participate in the community. Nothing more, nothing less.

[kool002]

Start updating your site more frequently.

[ep2012]

Start updating your site more frequently.


Does it have to be the index page or any page?

[ep2012]

Not, it means you should comment on blogs that interest you so you can participate in the community. Nothing more, nothing less.


And then leave my URL at the bottom? My URL can't go on tons of blogs for obvious reasons.

[deepsand]

Start updating your site more frequently.
Bet you answer all such questions with that tired old myth. :rolleyes:

[Tubby]

I tried to look at Writers & Editors Yesterday But it was unavailable.

Today I had a quick look at the forum . . I found pages and pages of spam . . The thread I looked at had 152 pages of it.

You are still linking to it from your profile ?

[deepsand]

Does it have to be the index page or any page?
kool002's answer is one based on a myth, a stock answer given by those who are clueless.

[ep2012]

I tried to look at Writers & Editors Yesterday But it was unavailable.

Today I had a quick look at the forum . . I found pages and pages of spam . . The thread I looked at had 152 pages of it.

You are still linking to it from your profile ?

That is not the site I'm referring to.

I have no one to manage that forum so it's out of control.

I'll just remove it from my signature since everyone here seems to love only focusing on that site rather than the real sites in question which aren't even in my sig.

Thanks anyway


Michelle

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P.S. I clearly listed both sites & yet you didn't listen Tubby.

[donovanjames786]

Reason can be anything like may be your website is effected by Google Panda/Penguin algorithm. To make your keywords stable keep doing Forum posting and don't worry sometimes ranking shuffles but it will come back automatically. Keep doing submissions on high pr websites and don't do over submissions.

[deepsand]

Reason can be anything like may be your website is effected by Google Panda/Penguin algorithm. To make your keywords stable keep doing Forum posting and don't worry sometimes ranking shuffles but it will come back automatically. Keep doing submissions on high pr websites and don't do over submissions.
In other words, you cannot say what the OP's problem is. Did you at least look at the site in question, and conduct an evaluation of both on- and off-site factors?