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sparshpolly
05-21-2004, 01:19 AM
If I try selling www.beta-theta.com plus 25 mb hosting space and all the source code , images etc. How much do you think the website is worth?

TLDTrader.com
05-21-2004, 09:04 AM
If you're going to post this on domain forums, you'd probably get the all familiar "Registration Fee" answer.

But of course, this does not take into account the PR and the link popularity.

Regards.

sparshpolly
05-21-2004, 12:55 PM
I didnt get your point.

Andilinks
05-21-2004, 01:11 PM
Have you checked "web sites for sale" on eBay?

http://search.ebay.com/web-site_Internet-Businesses-Websites_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR10QQsacategoryZ4668 6

TLDTrader.com
05-21-2004, 07:20 PM
Sorry if I wan't clear.

I meant that the name alone is not much. But the strong point in the sale would be the traffic and the development of the site.

Try listing it in Sedo. They have a section for websites for sale.

Good Luck.

sparshpolly
05-21-2004, 10:20 PM
Based on your advice I am listing it on Sedo . Do you think $12000 is a reasonable price.

TLDTrader.com
05-21-2004, 10:56 PM
I think listing it that high will shun away prospective buyers. Try the "Make Offer" option. It might generate more interest in your domain.

don't forget to put pertinent info such as traffic, PR, link popularity, etc...

Good Luck.

sparshpolly
05-21-2004, 11:03 PM
I tried signing up for SEDO but it is not sending me any confirmation email ......


Well according to you what price should I quote. I will also put the make offer option.

TLDTrader.com
05-21-2004, 11:21 PM
Registration at Sedo is normally fast and hassle-free. You should receive the confirmation email shortly. Unless, they block registrations from India.

I'm sorry but I can't give you a base figure for your domain. The "Make Offer" option will give you a feel of how much others think your domain is worth to them. This is a matter of "how much it's worth to them" and not "how much it's worth to you".

sparshpolly
05-22-2004, 10:23 PM
If you are interested in buying the site or are just thinking about it consider these facts
http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=20246

kikkertm
05-25-2004, 08:22 AM
Sparsh,

What is your price of $12000 based on ?
i.e. how much profit does the site make (proof please) and what multiplyer have you used to get to this amount ?

If your site makes $1000/month then your asking price is reasonable (1 year ROI).

If however it only makes about $60/month, an asking price of about $700-$800 makes more sense. But then, it is whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If you have persistant growth in your visitor numbers you could also expect a higher figure, however, this only really is relevant for sites that 'run themselves' i.e. don't need constant updates or new content to keep visitors coming.

This is purely my opinion by the way (It's kind of the formula I apply when I buy developed web sites).

Hope that helps,
Regards,
Mike.

rackaid
05-25-2004, 09:50 AM
Based on the number in the other thread.....

Revenue: 720/month
Costs: 25/year
Pre-Labor Net: 700/year
Labor:* 550/year
Net: 250/year

Based on estimated cash flow and a 0.75-3.0 multiplier, the site is worth about $187.50-$750.00.

If someone offered you $1000, you would be doing very well.



Some things that could impact the value:
Positives
Good PR
Unique content

Negatives
Most backlinks are due to DMOZ related backlinks.
Alexa is meaningless below 100K.
SEDO stats are very low (though only 2 days worth).
Domain's relation to site content not well established.
Hyphenated domain.



Note:
Site is currently in violoation of Google's Adsense TOS as some pages have more than 1 google ad as well as other context based advertising.



(*rougly 36hrs at $15/hr)

sparshpolly
05-25-2004, 10:52 AM
Your calculations are totally meaningless

Revenue: 720/month
Costs: 25/year
Pre-Labor Net: 700/year
Labor:* 550/year
Net: 250/year

Based on estimated cash flow and a 0.75-3.0 multiplier, the site is worth about $187.50-$750.00.

If someone offered you $1000, you would be doing very well.


Lets calculate : Revenue 720*12 = $8640
Now the substracts
Total = 25+700+550 (As per your thoughts of expenses)
= 1225

Therefore net = 8640-1225 = 7415$
Now Hows That

Plus my friend I would like to inform you that a site is not sold for one year. It is sold for ever . So any intelligent seller and any practical buyer will atleast have to pay atleast 4 to 5 year costs . You think my site is no good so I takle it as 4years
so 7415*4 = $29660

You are horribly mistaken

And now see my calculation

Running Costs $25 /year
Maintanence : No charges to be paid because you can handle that yourself as I have been doing. It just takes approx 2 hrs a day
Labour : Cummon Now --this is not a construction company.
Designers : - You can spend any amount on designers or none if you are a good one yourself. So that price you need to decide yourself.
Lets consider that your Internet bill due to the website will be $1000 per year.

So the total costs of running per year is approx $1025.

Now lets come to the income

Ad Sense Income : Approx $80-100 a month
Link Requests Running : $200 for next six months
Link Requests (Negotiating) - $500 for next six months
Bravenet : $1 for every new referral
Oddcast : $100 for every product sold
Amazon : 10-20% of sale valuie of item sold

So that makes it that the income has no bounds. at the least the income should be $1500-$2500 a year.

Now that makes a profit of about $1000 per year (without spending a buck on advertising )

So that makes it atleast $5000 for the site.(According to ROI) And these are just rough calculations.
The real potential of the site is much more.

Linda Buquet
05-25-2004, 11:40 AM
sparshpolly,

This is exactly why I was reluctant to have people requesting appraisals.

1) You asked for people's feedback, you got it and are not happy. You don't have to agree, it's one persons opinion, so take it for what it's worth.
I happen to agree with many of his points.

2) Owners very often put a much higher value on sites than others would, because sites become much like your child. You nurture it and watch it grow and to you it is the most perfect child. To others it is just a normal kid.

3) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the true worth of your site can only be measured by what someone is willing to pay. Appraisals are really meaningless and only can give you some idea.

If you happen to find someone that really likes your site and has a way to monetize it, it could be worth something. If you don't get it in front of someone that likes and wants it enough to pay what you are asking then you could end up auctioning it off on eBay for $100 - 300.

I would take peoples advice and list it at Sedo and Afternic as "make offer" and see what kind of offers you get.

Andilinks
05-25-2004, 08:58 PM
The real value of an interactive forum is the harsh light of reality. Buyers and sellers always disagree on value--until a deal is made. That is usually the only time buyers and sellers agree, at deal time.

I found this thread enlightening and a good illustration of how the value of a site is calculated from different points of view.

But if you are selling the site as a business, ROI is always the bottom line--literally. The income must be figured from the past year, not some hypothetical next year.

If the return based on the past year's net is not as high as a more secure investment would be at the same price you must sell it as a work of art or a status symbol--not a business.

Andi

TLDTrader.com
05-26-2004, 04:59 AM
Precisely the reason why I'm hesitant in appraising names. People might not be happy if they don't get their expected selling prices.

Any domain sale will involve the factor of how much the buyer thinks the domain is worth to him or his business. It's very hard to sell a domain thinking only of how much it's worth to you (the seller).

Chill :)

sparshpolly
05-26-2004, 11:58 AM
Hi everyone
I am sorry if you people have found my other reply to this message offending.
I was not trying to pull down someone but only showing faults in the other persons calculations.
I am seriously looking forward to buyers and appraisals and you can be assured that I will not make any comments on your appraisal.
Sorry once again.

Andilinks
05-26-2004, 12:25 PM
... I am sorry if you people have found my other reply to this message offending...


I can only speak for myself but I am not offended, I always find rationales for value interesting. Given my own formula my own website is worth zero, which I don't think is true.

It may be too late for this, and if you are being forced to sell it certainly is, but the best strategy is patience. The Google IPO and possible subsequent IPO's will produce an avalanche of cash, if not this year then somewhere down the line we will see another Internet boom. Hold out for that if you can, valuations will rise.

Doubtful that we will see another "party like it's 1999" but I do see better times ahead. Wait if you can, you have a great site--I wish I could put in a bid for it. :)

Andi

sparshpolly
06-03-2004, 01:17 AM
The site got sold for $1600 and unfortunately the moment I sold it after half an hour I got an offer of $2700.But no problem , I am happy with what I got

I would like to thank everyone at Web Pro World for helping me develop my skills in this field. Please read my thank you note at www.beta-theta.com

tiger1
06-04-2004, 10:27 AM
rackaid wrote,
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