key words per website

[byronc]

Hi,

I have just gone through the google find keywords tool.

Following guidelines by other threads I have picked about 30 phrases that are under 10000 (even lower by region).
Now. Do I pick one phrase fro my website and phocus on that?
or do I seet up a blog section that has a post or two per phrase.
ie should I cover all 30 phrase ot totally nail just two or three of them.
Deepsand :) , feel free to jump in here <--
thanks in advance

[abugge]

go for one with high local searches and low competition - when you break that you can start tackling others :) focus on one phrase at a time - don't go trying to do everything at once.

[byronc]

they all seem to be high competition. focus on one phrase ? - how with keyworded back links?

[vagoneta]

I would begin with those that have less competition to see how your site evolves

[claybutler]

I think this is all backwards. Your keywords should be based on what your brand and content. It sounds like you making a "made for adwords" website full of low quality information. If you're building a real website (informative, authoritative, unique) it should be obvious what to optimize for. To pick your words first and then try to make content for it sounds like plan for a forgettable user experience.

[deepsand]

Assuming that said phrases are relevant to your content, how many are sub-sets of others, such that a given phrase will include several of the shorter phrases?

[byronc]

Assuming that said phrases are relevant to your content, how many are sub-sets of others, such that a given phrase will include several of the shorter phrases?

hi, yes most are very close or similiar to each other, i have decided to just pick a phrase each day anc try make some interesting content that o feel is useful to readers. I dont have time really to do endless seo. I think i am supposed to backlink. deep links, so will try that a bit too. Am getting customers by othef means so seo might not be necessary.
though am taking some pride on getting my site ranked a bit higher etc.

[byronc]

I think this is all backwards. Your keywords should be based on what your brand and content. It sounds like you making a "made for adwords" website full of low quality information. If you're building a real website (informative, authoritative, unique) it should be obvious what to optimize for. To pick your words first and then try to make content for it sounds like plan for a forgettable user experience.

not trying to do that. Just i want to pick a strat so i can write targetted articles and then backlink them etc

[innominds]

IF you want to write targeted articles, then I don't think you need to concentrate on single keyword phrase. Moreover the quality article directories will not allow long tailed keywords as the anchor text.

[deepsand]

hi, yes most are very close or similiar to each other, i have decided to just pick a phrase each day anc try make some interesting content that o feel is useful to readers.
If such are semantically well related, there is no need for separate articles.

As for my question, I was addressing, not similarities, but precise matches between a given phrase and a sub-phrase of one or more other longer phrases.

For example:

Word1 Word2
Word1 Word2 Word3
Word4 Word1 Word2
Word4 Word1 Word2 Word3


In this case, the 4th phrase would be sufficient for covering the 1st three.



Moreover the quality article directories will not allow long tailed keywords as the anchor text.
Given that "long tail" is a statistical term, how can such be "disallowed?"

[weegillis]

# Word4 Word1 Word2 Word3

Owning a KEY WORD can be like owning a diamond, but it can also be like owning a stone. What deepsand is pointing out is the importance of owning a phrase that has weight. Once you own that, your competitors will need to rethink their attack.

If you have a thousand key words that are all well supported and expressed in your site, then groups of these will have relevance to your site in any form. Choose ALL your words wisely, then optimize on what you have written. If you choose to compete by borrowing phrases from your competitors and putting an SEO tilt on them, BLAHT!. TILT! It might work for a while, but not for long.

The point being that rather than one or two word phrases, shoot for 4 or five words and back it up with excellent copy over the range of your site where this phrase can be found. Similar does not mean the same as, so duplicate the phrase, not the page.

More precisely, to follow deepsand, in the post above, if you have a four word phrase, any combination of any of the four words is redundant. You will already have been indexed for the four words. That is, if I get this meaning correctly. Please correct me, if I'm wrong.

[deepsand]

... quality article directories will not allow long tailed keywords as the anchor text.



Given that "long tail" is a statistical term, how can such be "disallowed?"


im guessing he menat a long keyphrase
Well, if he's referring to either Anchor Text or Descriptions, a look to a highly authoritative directory, that of Yahoo, we find, respectively, examples such as "Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (Virginia Tech) - International Archive of Women in Architecture" and "Collection of architectural records, intended for the study of the built environment of New Orleans, Louisiana. Includes work by architects who shaped the antebellum city, as well as modernist work by architects after the second world war."

So, IMO, physical lengths are of minor concern.


More precisely, to follow deepsand, in the post above, if you have a four word phrase, any combination of any of the four words is redundant. You will already have been indexed for the four words. That is, if I get this meaning correctly. Please correct me, if I'm wrong.
Given that the overwhelming majority of users do imprecise searches - they not only do not use an SE's advanced search feature, but do not even uses double-quotes where important - it is generally true that the order and contiguity of multiple words is immaterial with respect to being eligible for a particular set of SERPs.

However, such does not mean, for example, that all 24 permutations of 4 given contiguous words, let alone when said words are not contiguous, will rank equally well in the SERPs; there, order and contiguity does count, though it may not always be obvious owing to other ranking factors.

Thus, so as to both be captured by precise and imprecise searches, and rank as well as possible in the SERPs, one should try within reason, i.e. without engaging in keyword stuffing, to employ all reasonable permutations of multi-word phrase that keyword research evidences usage of.

Bear in mind that, just as is the case for PPC listings, those seeking well ranked organic listings frequently fail to take the above into consideration, such that certain permutations, variant spellings and mis-spellings, and grammatical number (singular/plural) can oft times be long tail words/phrases which are easily dominated by the enterprising.

[weegillis]

This is gonna be on the test, right?

By some hook or crook I actually understood what you said. Well put. It stresses the value of excellence in copy writing. Your 4 in 24 phrases will be bang on.

[deepsand]

This is gonna be on the test, right?
Test? I have time to write tests? :shock:

With scant time to even write the lessons, I leave it to you to do self-testing. :lol:

[weegillis]

Well at least now I know my Friday is clear. Think of the hits on that phrase!

[deepsand]

For good measure, you should work "TGIF" in there somehow. ;)

[weegillis]

Perhaps some advanced scripting...

[deepsand]

No cloaking ,though.

[weegillis]

thank god it's friday
thank friday it's god
thank it's god friday
thank it's friday god
thank god friday it's
thank friday god it's

And this is just the thanks you get, try all the other ones...

[deepsand]

Don't stop now; you're on a roll.

Then, check search volumes for each of the 24.

[mjtaylor]

Oh, no, this banter is sure to raise someone's ire! You guys settle down and get serious! ;P

[deepsand]

Yes, ma'm. :lol:

[byronc]

Oh, no, this banter is sure to raise someone's ire! You guys settle down and get serious! ;P

yes deespand, for once try and say something intelligent and on topic!!!! :)

[deepsand]

Very well; as you wish.

So, how are you progressing here?

[byronc]

Very well; as you wish.

So, how are you progressing here?
define progressing

[deepsand]

define progressing

2 : a forward or onward movement (as to an objective or to a goal)