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Old 03-14-2008, 04:38 AM
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Dear members,

as you all know I do my best since years to support the members on the WPW community.

Now I hope I will get some help too.

So, I put a lot of effort to improve my web site SEO Workers - Search Engine Optimization Consulting Company and I would appreciate very much, if you could give me an honest review.

Please be so hard as possible.

Our primary concerns are:
  • Markup (XHTML, CSS);
  • Semantical Structure;
  • Navigation;
  • Client Side Scripting;
  • Content;
  • Graphics;
  • Accessibility;
  • Usability;
  • Semantics (XML, RDF, XFN);
  • SEO, SEM, SMO, ESO;
  • Reputation Management;
  • Credibility;
  • Privacy.
So what do you think? Can you give me a hand too?

Thanks you so much in advance,

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Dear members,

as you all know I do my best since years to support the members on the WPW community.

Now I hope I will get some help too.

So, I put a lot of effort to improve my web site SEO Workers - Search Engine Optimization Consulting Company and I would appreciate very much, if you could give me an honest review.

Please be so hard as possible.

Our primary concerns are:
  • Markup (XHTML, CSS);
  • Semantical Structure;
  • Navigation;
  • Client Side Scripting;
  • Content;
  • Graphics;
  • Accessibility;
  • Usability;
  • Semantics (XML, RDF, XFN);
  • SEO, SEM, SMO, ESO;
  • Reputation Management;
  • Credibility;
  • Privacy.
So what do you think? Can you give me a hand too?

Thanks you so much in advance,

John

Hi John,

Use this url TAW. Web Accessibility Test and enter your website it is showing many errors.


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Old 03-14-2008, 07:17 AM
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Use this url TAW. Web Accessibility Test and enter your website it is showing many errors.


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You and the tool are wrong. But thank you anyway.

The guideline is deprecated with the WCAG Success Criteria. In addition, the implementation of place folders are also unusable in general.
10.4 Until user agents handle empty controls correctly, include default, place-holding characters in edit boxes and text areas.
  • This form control is missing placeholder text (1)
    • Line 147: <input type="text" alt="Email" name="Email" id="email" />
Check the last Priority 3 Guideline here: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoints to WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria

Anything else?
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Old 03-14-2008, 07:20 AM
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You and the tool are wrong. But thank you anyway.

The guideline is deprecated with the WCAG Success Criteria. In addition, the implementation of place folders are also unusable in general.
10.4 Until user agents handle empty controls correctly, include default, place-holding characters in edit boxes and text areas.
  • This form control is missing placeholder text (1)
    • Line 147: <input type="text" alt="Email" name="Email" id="email" />
Check the last Priority 3 Guideline here: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoints to WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria

Anything else?
Tell me the best tool to check..
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Old 03-14-2008, 07:23 AM
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Tell me the best tool to check..
There is no tool on the Web that you test a web site accessibility with 100% accuracy.
Read my article if you want to learn more about that: Accessibility Testing
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Hi John,
unfortunately, I know know your site and the benefits of it, and of course your expertise,but, from a mere everyday webmaster and website manager here is my critique.
I think you should have a few more images to highlight your services and expertise at a glance. The header image also might need to be smaller as well. The feel of the site is very professional, but maybe a little too much, might scare the average guy. Thats about it, I thought the navigation was excellent and very easy to use, using the site was faultless, without error and nice and fast. Bottom line, I get a feel of "this site knows whats going on", just needed a bit of "easygoing" to it, ONLY IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.
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Old 03-14-2008, 07:26 AM
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There is no tool on the Web that you test a web site accessibility with 100% accuracy.
Read my article if you want to learn more about that: Accessibility Testing
Check your website with this toos ATRC Web Accessibility Checker these tool is developed and maintained by w3.org. Now dont say this is not accurate tool. You have to agree

If you say that there is no tool with 100% accuracy then what about your site?? Is it 100% error free??
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Hi John,
unfortunately, I know know your site and the benefits of it, and of course your expertise,but, from a mere everyday webmaster and website manager here is my critique.
I think you should have a few more images to highlight your services and expertise at a glance. The header image also might need to be smaller as well. The feel of the site is very professional, but maybe a little too much, might scare the average guy. Thats about it, I thought the navigation was excellent and very easy to use, using the site was faultless, without error and nice and fast. Bottom line, I get a feel of "this site knows whats going on", just needed a bit of "easygoing" to it, ONLY IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.
Regards.
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Miles thank you so much for the review.

To be honest I was worrying about all that, so I already have asked my graphic designer to create some images, but due to workload he could not manage yet. I hope soon.

But good catch Miles.
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Old 03-14-2008, 07:45 AM
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Check your website with this toos ATRC Web Accessibility Checker these tool is developed and maintained by w3.org. Now dont say this is not accurate tool. You have to agree

If you say that there is no tool with 100% accuracy then what about your site?? Is it 100% error free??
Again you are wrong. Sorry.
Thanks for the review again.

The tool really found something I missed. I had an alt attribute in input tags which were not images. Just fixed it.
Good catch. + $5,-

About the second issue "Link Text", the tool is wrong! You can link with images, and not only with text.
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Again you are wrong. Sorry.
Thanks for the review again.

The tool really found something I missed. I had an alt attribute in input tags which were not images. Just fixed it.
Good catch. + $5,-

About the second issue "Link Text", the tool is wrong. You can link with images, and not only with text.
You mean i got $5??
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You mean i got $5??
Yes you did.

So go on looking for bugs. You said in another thread that you can also find SEO bugs.
So go for it. When you are done with all your reviews, send me per PM your paypal account.
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Old 03-14-2008, 07:58 AM
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Yes you did.

So go on looking for bugs. You said in another thread that you can also find SEO bugs.
So go for it. When you are done with all your reviews, send me per PM your paypal account.
Iam really working hard on your website to find the bugs as well as i want to prove my self
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Credibility is hurt with a copyright of 2007.

Graphics should look custom. The photos look like stock photos.

The overall look of the homepage is "boring".
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Credibility is hurt with a copyright of 2007.

Graphics should look custom. The photos look like stock photos.

The overall look of the homepage is "boring".
Damn, how could I miss the copyright? Thanks a lot for pointing that out! Fixed.
The graphics are not custom. They are unique.
If you think that the overall look is boring, what do you recommend?
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If you think that the overall look is boring, what do you recommend?
I think you should make Dave your poster boy! That'd spuce things up!

I'll take a look at the site.
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The site looks fine, I like the tabs at the top for navigation.

You guys arguing about validation tools back and fourth I guess is helping since you are finding errors.

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I think I would have put the column that begins 'Start Ranking Higher' at the top of the page alongside your main content, make the initial screen seem a bit fuller. I think I prefer a higher image to text ratio.
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First, I'm going to agree with Milo. It's a little stark. Comes across like text on a page to me. A company looking for design service is likely not going to be impressed. The only real "flavor" I see is the little yellow post-a-note in the header and compared to the rest of the page it looks really out of place to me.

I also don't see a "portfolio". A potential client is going to want to see what you have done and are capable of doing beyond your own site.

I can't say that I'm a fan of the "forums" link in the top nav either for a couple of reasons though I'm sure are many who will disagree. A potential client who happens to follow that link is going to see everything locked. Not a positive in my mind. While it may garner you some business I think it's more likely to attract researchers, folks looking for answers, and spammers than people seeking your service. Personally, I'd rather see the forum on its own and if anything, a "Support" area dedicated to clients if anything at all.

The overall feeling I get is that the market you appear to be trying target are people in the industry. The technical statement outlines everything you've done for your site. It comes across as an example to be duplicated rather than an enticement. I'd spend more time discussing the basic importance of such factors and what they can do for your potential clients, rather than "This web site uses..." or "This web site conforms..." What you can do for them.

My 2 cents...

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I checked it out and it looks good to me.

good clean design, informative and the tools also work.

I can't be much critical because there is very little room for improvements left.

still I think you need a way to add more content and community participation in your company.

take seomoz for an example and follow their approach like white board friday etc.
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Navigation; Accessibility;Usability;
The site flows well and is logical. You put the toolbar on top of the logo. If I were doing it I would put the toolbar below the logo, but that really is a matter of personal taste, so please don't take that too personally.

You did the smart thing by making sure the 'Live Chat' and phone numbers for US/UK/DE/AU are all visible on every page in the same location.

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Content;Reputation Management;Credibility;
The content is exactly what you would expect to see and the fact that you have a forum is nice too. When you enter the site you see the nice high PR5 on the google toolbar and for purposes of SEO I am sure people like to see that!

The right side of your logo is not particularly 'crisp' and I 'get' the whole three monitors with the search engines on them, but I am not sure what the graphical post it note is for.

The word 'Workers' in 'SEO Workers' does not need the word 'Workers' 'reflecting' below it.

I tend to look at websites from a 'selling' point of view rather than a technical point of view.

Overall, your industry performs some very personal services and to get a sale you must inspire a lot of trust in your visitors. As such, I recommend youtube, put yourself in front of a camera...explain yourself.....People like to look at 'eyes' (literally) when deciding whether to trust you.
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Webnauts,

Your site is technically perfect in form, accessibility and function but you already knew that.

Overall, while the information presented is thorough and informative, I'd say the site just lacks a "friendly" feel. It just doesn't have the "BAM!" factor that would hold a user's attention. I'm guessing it's due to the North American influence we're subjected to, but it just doesn't make me want to keep paging through it to see what's around the next corner.

On the Contact page, while I understand the reasoning behind its' implementation, the "Email: Reveal the e-mail address." captcha nearly drove me crazy and I particularly dislike the pop up window.

You might want to consider making it easier for people to send a regular email because most users are inherently lazy and won't go one step out of their way to contact you. The form is fine, but an email address that's clickable would be great too.

I've noticed that the bulk of the content on the "About Us" page is written in third person. "They" instead of "We", "Their" instead of "Our". You're not seeking faceless clients, you want to build relationships. Personalize it and make it more friendly by writing in first person.

On a related issue, I found that a lot of the content sounded stilted and unnatural when read aloud.

For example on this page:
Search Engine Optimization & Web Design Services - SEO Workers

Quote:
Before starting a search engine optimization project, we must perform an initial research which is the biggest part of SEO.

An analysis necessary in order to determine exactly what is happening on your site. We will look at all factors impacting placement of your site in search engines. This is a very thorough inspection of your site.
Try this:

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Research and analysis are key components in any search engine optimization project.

Prior to starting your SEO project, we'll thoroughly inspect and evaluate all factors impacting placement of your site in search engine results pages (SERPs) and we'll work with you to formulate an effective plan to improve your placements.
Writing this way serves a few purposes:
  • You state what's important the prospective customer to focus on
  • You outline how you meet their needs.
  • You say more with fewer words.

Consider revising some of the content. Read it aloud and see where you can tweak it.

That's about all I'd recommend.

Good Luck.

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I think the site design is clean and crisp, it communicates with the reader and that is the reason for a web page, to deliver information quickly since most folks move along fast while surfing.

I spend less than a minute even on great sites, so your goal is to get users to bookmark your website and I think this will be accomplished here.

I like the tab navigation and including a sitemap is a great idea which helps with the "speed factor" in delivering data to the surfer.

In general, your site does the job you intended for it, you can always improve your template design and colors down the road.

Facebook is the hottest site around, but their design is nothing special, so all the focus on design over function is fine, but that does not equate to more users in many cases.
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First of all I would like to thank you all for the brilliant and cvery onstructive suggestions so far.
Be sure that I took all your comments into account and I will get things sorted out as soon as possible.

But now I have a question.

I am using the "Ratepoint" service where customers can post reviews, but where that little button is placed, is not really very effective.

It was mentioned here that it would be useful to setup a portfolio, so I have a question to you all:

What do you think if I would take out from the top navigation the link to the "Forums" and make a page where I can add those customers reviews, with a little thumbshot of their site linking to them. I was thinking to name the page:

- Customers

or

- Clients

or

- Testimonials

or

- Portfolio

I thought the best option would have been Testimonials.

Which would you think would be the best choice? Do you think it is a good choice at all?
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I did not read every post in this thread word for word, so please forgive me if I restate something that has already been said.

* You pointed this out in your last post. You advertise that you do SEO friendly web design. Nowhere did I see a portfolio of sites you have done, testimonials from customers, or what type of sites you design as far as e-commerce, php, ASP, Coldfusion, etc. I also did not see if you do any pages that utilize CMS.

* To be honest, on your 'about us' and 'contact us' pages, the telephone number being the same as the fax number makes you appear small time, to me anyways.

* On those same pages I found it, for lack of better words, hokey that I have to click to reveal your email address, then type two words in, just to get the address. I am sorry, I am not one to give a urine sample or retina scan just to get an email address.

* On your contact us page, I personally did not like the banner above the ip address and thought it was cheap advertising. Also I felt the submit button being so far down was not as easily found as it should be.

* I am surprised that you do not have any W3C icons on your page, especially being a SEO company.

* On your analysis-services page you state that you will "position of your site in the first 30 search results of the 3 major search engines", but then go on and state that "nor do we provide any guarantees for certain ranking positions in any search engines". I find this to be a little contradicting.

By the way, you need to update the copyright on webnauts.net as well. Last Updated 2007-07-24 <----- looks bad


Off topic, the old pic that you used to have as your avatar made you look much, much older than the pic you are now using. I'm not trying to flirt, so don't get me wrong, I just pictured you as a much older person.

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Hi Webnauts,

I am trying to install the SEO workers Community Toolbar in FF.

First I had to allow your site and that seemed to work fine however it still didn’t allow the download at that point so I enabled scripts but still nothing happened when I clicked the 'Download Toolbar' ... as far as I can tell.

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Hi Webnauts,

I am trying to install the SEO workers Community Toolbar in FF.

First I had to allow your site and that seemed to work fine however it still didn’t allow the download at that point so I enabled scripts but still nothing happened when I clicked the 'Download Toolbar' ... as far as I can tell.

Any suggestions?
I will check that as soon as possible. If there are problems I will get rid it.
I wll keep you up to dare.

Thanks for informing me.
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Webnauts,

I won't check the html code because I'm sure you got that all done right. There are some other points though that I think can be improved.

1) Navigation
When I enter the site it takes considerable time to figure out where to click. The first impression the site gives is that it is a blog. So I wanted to click on the post titles. But they're not really posts so they weren't links. Then I tried to click somewhere else. But where?

There is no left column where I'd normally expect the menu to be. There is a right column but the first links appear only after scrolling down a lot and they´re not really the most important content either.

The most important links are placed above the top bar that has the cool design. If you'd place those links below the top design, they would be a lot easier to find.

Left column navigation makes it possible to add more links than you can place horizontally. This type of navigation is very important, also from an SEO point of view. It gives you space to add a lot more links and with that a lot of anchor texts that can be very helpful in SEO.

2) Content
The content of the site is great, but the presentation of the content is a bit boring. That doesn't mean it is bad content, but it is a lot of text that could be made nicer if you use an image here and there.

You'll attract a lot more customers if you do something about the visual attractiveness of your content.
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I did not read every post in this thread word for word, so please forgive me if I restate something that has already been said.
That should not be a problem.

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* You pointed this out in your last post. You advertise that you do SEO friendly web design.
Human & Search Engine Friendly Web Design Services - SEO Workers I am aware that it needs to be updated.

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Nowhere did I see a portfolio of sites you have done, testimonials from customers, or what type of sites you design as far as e-commerce, php, ASP, Coldfusion, etc. I also did not see if you do any pages that utilize CMS.
Page is under construction. Coming soon.

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To be honest, on your 'about us' and 'contact us' pages, the telephone number being the same as the fax number makes you appear small time, to me anyways.
Good point. I will take care of that latest next week.

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On those same pages I found it, for lack of better words, hokey that I have to click to reveal your email address, then type two words in, just to get the address. I am sorry, I am not one to give a urine sample or retina scan just to get an email address.
That shall be taken care off. We are just so far spam free, but I agree we need to come up with a more usable method.

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On your contact us page, I personally did not like the banner above the ip address and thought it was cheap advertising. Also I felt the submit button being so far down was not as easily found as it should be.
That is not an ad. It is a banner to an anti-spam initiative. That can go though.

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I am surprised that you do not have any W3C icons on your page, especially being a SEO company.
We had the badges, but we took them off. Almost everyone today wears them, and the majority of their sites do not validate. I do not want to be identified with them, so I avoid that. We have a technical statement which link can be found in the footer of every page instead.
Check also this thread for more opinions: W3C Badge of Approval: Is it Really Worth Flaunting?

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On your analysis-services page you state that you will "position of your site in the first 30 search results of the 3 major search engines", but then go on and state that "nor do we provide any guarantees for certain ranking positions in any search engines". I find this to be a little contradicting.
Solved. Thanks. A newbie team member wrote that page.


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By the way, you need to update the copyright on webnauts.net as well. Last Updated 2007-07-24 <----- looks bad
Thats for pointing that out. I will take care of that within the next 48 hours.


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Off topic, the old pic that you used to have as your avatar made you look much, much older than the pic you are now using. I'm not trying to flirt, so don't get me wrong, I just pictured you as a much older person.
How old do you think I am?

And thanks a lot for they very kind review.
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Do you want to know the truth? I am ageless.
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Hi -

Great site. Some copy suggestions:

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Your Text:

SEO Workers is a group of experts in accessible and usable web site design/development, organic SEO (search engine optimization), with collective experience, cutting edge knowledge and industry innovative ideas.

Suggestions:

You lost me after "of experts in" - I connect the word accessible with a physical activity - accessible stairs, accessible bathrooms, etc. Too much, too confusing. I felt like I was entering a room. I think you need clarity in the first sentence, then explain yourself in the second sentence. You have introduced terms which are not readily used, and you are assuming we know what they are. You need to clarify your point in the first part of the sentence. Explain them:

SEO Workers is a group of internet experts. Our collective experience in designing and developing usable web sites which are accessible by the hearing and sight impaired has made SEO Workers a Search Engine Optimization industry leader.

You explain SEO, but you should really clarify what "organic" is, and the importance and art of rendering those organic results.

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Your Text:

SEO Workers will always optimize and/or design a web site as if it was their own. We will deliver substantial value to your business and address key issues to improve your long-term results.

Suggestion:

Your tense is wrong:
SEO Workers will always optimize and/or design a web site as if it was their own.

It should be:
SEO Workers will always optimize and/or design a web site as if it was our own website.

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Your Text:

We will never do anything to jeopardize your website in exchange for a short term gain. That kind of short-sightedness can get you penalized or even banned from the search engines. We look at long term positioning.

Suggestion:

This paragraph is creating negative energy. You are scaring me (away too!) The fact that you are an industry leader means it is a given that you wouldn't do anything to jeopardize their website.

You should rewrite it to explain your strength in being experts at long-term positioning, at not compromising a long-term goal in exchange for a short-term and short-lived gain.

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Your Text:

Why does your company need professional SEO services?

Suggestion:

The Many Benefits of SEO Workers

(You know, what's in it for them?)

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Your Text:

Don't let your competition beat you to top search engine placements!
(You're scaring me again!)

Suggestion:
Achieve top search engine placements ahead of your competition!

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Your Text:

Searching has now become as common as using email. Recent studies indicate that using a search engine is a task performed regularly by 91% of Internet users.

Suggestion:

Your push is in the direction of "organic results" but you don't really explain what "organic results" are, nor do you create the sizzle of those well optimized results:

Utilizing a search engine is as common today as using email. Ninety-one percent of internet users access one of the top search engines for information.

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Your Text:

The (free listings) cheapens the paragraph and will have people asking you where you can get those free listings for them (if you have a few to spare send them on!). You need to explain organic.

Research shows that at least 3 out of 4 "click-throughs" from search engines come from the Organic Search (free listings) rather than from Pay Per Click for the same results pages.

Suggestion:

Research provided by (from where ???) reveals three out of four user "click-throughs" from search engine page results to a web site are a result of a website's well optimized and naturally occurring "organic" search results, rather than from the "Pay Per Click" (PPC) listings on these same results pages.

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Your Text:

Ask yourself these questions about your business presence online:

Suggestion:

Questions about your online business presence:

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Your Text:

Do you know that search engines represent a very unique medium, which allows you to precisely target an interested audience?

Suggestion:

Did you know you can precisely target your audience by the way the words on your website are optimized for the search engines?

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Your Text:

Do you know that professional and ethical search engine optimization can greatly increase return on investment, and reduce startup costs and delivering substantial benefits at a very low cost for content rich web sites?

Suggestion:

Did you know that a content-rich web site can increase the return on your web site investment, reduce startup costs and deliver substantial benefits to your business at a very low cost?

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Your Text:

Does your web site appear on the free side of search engine result and can it be found by potential customers?

Suggestion:

(If you use your paragraph make result plural = search engine results)

Is your web site being found by potential customers? Does your website rank high for keyword-rich organic results on search engine result pages?

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Your Text:

Is your web site accessible and usable to potential visitors with disabilities, or people on the go who may be viewing your site on their cellular telephone or other portable browsers?

Suggestion:

Break the subjects apart:
Is your web site accessible and usable to visitors with disabilities? Can your web site by accessed by browsers on devices utilizing mobile technology?

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Your Text:

If you answer no to any of the above questions, you will experience long term benefits from our "cutting edge" search engine optimization and/or web design services.

Suggestion:

(If you use your paragraph, answer should be answered)

If you answered "no" to any of these questions please contact SEO Workers to explore the long-term benefits your online business presence will experience by implementing SEO Workers' search engine optimization techniques and web design services. SEO Workers can help you achieve the goals you have established for your web site.

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Your Text:

Beware of unethical SEO companies
(You're scaring me again. Maybe away from your site.)

Suggestion:

Again, you're stressing a negative. Don't even use the word "unethical" connected to anything close to your company name. Use something positve, such as:

SEO Workers and Best Practices

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According to Google's own Webmaster Help Center, they stress:

No one can guarantee a #1 ranking on Google.

"Beware of SEOs that claim to guarantee rankings, allege a 'special relationship' with Google, or advertise a 'priority submit' to Google. There is no priority submit for Google."

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Your Text:
(If you use your paragraph, change placement to ranking to be consistent with the Google statement (you know, apples to apples and all that!)

Again, you are planting another negative thought process:

If no one can guarantee a #1 placement, why use SEO Workers?

Suggestion:

Achieving a #1 ranking for your web site on search engine result pages is always the goal of SEO Workers.

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Your Text:

(If you use your paragraph make todays possessive - today's)
(Also, you've just introduced online advertising - huh? This is the first time you have used advertising. It is inconsistent with your entire message.)

Because we will help you to improve your search engine rankings utilizing the most effective techniques in todays online advertising industry.

Suggestion:

SEO Workers will work with you to increase and maintain your search engine rankings utilizing proprietary and proven search engine optimization techniques.
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Hope this helps!

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It appears that most points have been analyzed already.

Your breadcrumb navigation running across most (all ?) pages is typical of your site - professional. I notice one odd thing though at the index page: There are 8 H2 tags :
H2 Tag: Search Engine Optimization Consulting H2 Tag: Why does your company need professional SEO services? H2 Tag: Beware of unethical SEO companies H2 Tag: Start Ranking Higher H2 Tag: SEO Analysis Tool H2 Tag: Newsletter & RSS Feed H2 Tag: SEO Articles & Tutorials H2 Tag: SEO Discussion Forums

Nothing wrong surely. But it sort of makes the page and the subheadings look too long in a page. As others have pointed out, your main page is "too" heavy on the text side. Again it may be subjective - this opinion of mine. We tend to see too many pages with brief messages to whet your appetite in the root pages. On the other hand there are one page sites really doing well when it comes to satisfying the objective of the site. The main focus is your target audience. Will they read through the epitome ? In your case they may already be presold.
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Cheryl,

Excellent points and John should incorporate these now!

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Great site.
Hey Cheryl,

thank you so much for the brilliant and valuable tips! We implemented your suggestions right away.

Though we are still trying to figure out how to re-write this:

We will never do anything to jeopardize your web site in exchange for a short term gain. That kind of short-sightedness can get you penalized or even banned from the search engines. We look at long term positioning.

Any ideas?

Your support is very appreciated.
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It appears that most points have been analyzed already. Your breadcrumb navigation running across most (all ?) pages is typical of your site - professional.
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Thanks a lot for the great suggestions! And by the way, breadcrumbs are site wide implemented (every page).

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I notice one odd thing though at the index page.
About the length of the heading tags, we took care of them. Some were really too long. But the number of the <h2> are correct, since we care most about our pages semantical structure.
See here for further understanding: SEO Workers - Search Engine Optimization Consulting Company

Again, thanks for the kind review.
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Webnauts,

I won't check the html code because I'm sure you got that all done right. There are some other points though that I think can be improved.
That was a good one!

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1) Navigation
When I enter the site it takes considerable time to figure out where to click. The first impression the site gives is that it is a blog. So I wanted to click on the post titles. But they're not really posts so they weren't links. Then I tried to click somewhere else. But where?
First when we created the site, our intention was Web2 Style.

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There is no left column where I'd normally expect the menu to be. There is a right column but the first links appear only after scrolling down a lot and they´re not really the most important content either.
Having the sub-navigation on the right is a part of our best practices. According to the Web Style Guide, the Wichita University (Dpt. of Psychology) studies and the U.S. Government Evidence-based Usability Techniques, our implementation is fully appropriate.

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The most important links are placed above the top bar that has the cool design. If you'd place those links below the top design, they would be a lot easier to find.
Could you tell where would fit best? It must remain horizontal and not on the left or right side.

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Left column navigation makes it possible to add more links than you can place horizontally. This type of navigation is very important, also from an SEO point of view. It gives you space to add a lot more links and with that a lot of anchor texts that can be very helpful in SEO.
It is clear that the type of navigation is important. But what does the visual appealing of the navigation have to do with SEO?
We are using tableless CSS and we can move around the code (changing code structure) without changing the visual appealing. If you look here you will see how the SE and screenreaders see the page:
SEO Workers - Search Engine Optimization Consulting Company and you will see that visually it looks different.


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2) Content
The content of the site is great, but the presentation of the content is a bit boring. That doesn't mean it is bad content, but it is a lot of text that could be made nicer if you use an image here and there.

You'll attract a lot more customers if you do something about the visual attractiveness of your content.
You got me there. Others above too. And that is what hurts me most now.
We will take care of that as soon a possible.

Thank you so much for taking the time to review my site. But do you probably have any further suggestions in terms of on-page SEO?
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Consider revising some of the content. Read it aloud and see where you can tweak it.

That's about all I'd recommend.

Good Luck.
Warren thanks a lot for the kind words and great suggestions! I took your word and fixed them right away.
If you have time, would like to check again?
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Hey Cheryl,

thank you so much for the brilliant and valuable tips! We implemented your suggestions right away.

Though we are still trying to figure out how to re-write this:

We will never do anything to jeopardize your web site in exchange for a short term gain. That kind of short-sightedness can get you penalized or even banned from the search engines. We look at long term positioning.

Any ideas?

Your support is very appreciated.
Cheryl I took that paragraph out. I prefer to keep the page shorter.

Thanks again!!!
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Dave thank you so much for your time and the cool suggestions!

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First, I'm going to agree with Milo. It's a little stark. Comes across like text on a page to me. A company looking for design service is likely not going to be impressed. The only real "flavor" I see is the little yellow post-a-note in the header and compared to the rest of the page it looks really out of place to me.
You and Miles are fully right. We need to do some work there.

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I also don't see a "portfolio". A potential client is going to want to see what you have done and are capable of doing beyond your own site.
Now we do. Thanks for mentioning: Client Testimonials - SEO Workers

I can't say that I'm a fan of the "forums" link in the top nav either for a couple of reasons though I'm sure are many who will disagree. A potential client who happens to follow that link is going to see everything locked. Not a positive in my mind. While it may garner you some business I think it's more likely to attract researchers, folks looking for answers, and spammers than people seeking your service. Personally, I'd rather see the forum on its own and if anything, a "Support" area dedicated to clients if anything at all.[/quote]
We replaced the link to the forums in the main nav with the testimonials. Is that OK now?


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The overall feeling I get is that the market you appear to be trying target are people in the industry. The technical statement outlines everything you've done for your site. It comes across as an example to be duplicated rather than an enticement. I'd spend more time discussing the basic importance of such factors and what they can do for your potential clients, rather than "This web site uses..." or "This web site conforms..." What you can do for them.
Well I did not cross any site yet that uses a technical statement. It is just an additional page, as an alternative of W3C validation badges, etc. What do you think?[/quote]
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Hey Cheryl,

thank you so much for the brilliant and valuable tips! We implemented your suggestions right away.

Though we are still trying to figure out how to re-write this:

We will never do anything to jeopardize your web site in exchange for a short term gain. That kind of short-sightedness can get you penalized or even banned from the search engines. We look at long term positioning.

Any ideas?

Your support is very appreciated.
John:

I am humbled by your kind words! Glad I could help.

I agree with your decision to remove the paragraph. Good call.

I just read your "About" page (I would suggest changing it to "About SEO Workers" for link bait) and offer these suggestions:

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Your Text:

SEO Workers is a group of professional web site designers/developers, search engine, multimedia, social media and end searcher optimization consultants.

Suggestion:

SEO Workers is a group of internet experts. Our consultants are industry leaders in professional web site design and web site development. Each consultant has a specialized strength working with search engines, multimedia development and production, social media program management and optimizing organic search engine rankings.

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(If you keep your text change provide to providing)
We are dedicated to provide the means necessary to make web sites visible to search engines and available to the largest possible audience.

Suggestions:

We are dedicated to making web sites visible to search engines and rendering page results to specific targeted audiences.

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Your Text:

Through our knowledge of web content accessibility and usability and search engine optimization they can meet this goal to the benefit of all concerned.

Suggestion:

SEO Workers' knowledge of web content accessibility, usability and search engine optimization provide the foundation necessary to achieve your goals to the benefit of your bottom line.
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Again, glad I could help

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First off, the code is absolutely flawless. 6kb of text on the homepage and just 7kb of code - perfect and all semantically correct.

Not really anything that really requires changing, but here's a few suggestions: -

*Perhaps* the site could be more visually interesting, but as your primary emphasis is on coding and seo (as the use of and/or design in the third paragraph suggests) then the clean, professional look would inspire confidence in what I would see as your target market - those who already have an existing web site and need help to increase rankings and optimisation. They've got the flashy site already, they need your expertise in helping people find it.

A suggestion might be to highlight the questions on the front page more, i.e. the "Did you know you can precisely target your audience by the way the words on your web site are optimized for the search engines? " etc. At the moment the standard unordered list doesn't really draw the eye, so perhaps you could use a graphic instead of a square bullet or put a background colour on the ul? People do tend to scan over text and you might want to draw their attention to this.

A lot of people look for "About Us" as soon as they come onto a site, so perhaps an idea to have this as the second link after home on the nav bar? Not sure if the site map requires to be on the main navigation either.

The above are just small things and really it's hard to criticise what is an excellent site, which puts substance before style. Exactly what I preach to my clients. Nice logo too!
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I have no words to express how much I appreciate your excellent tips and suggestions. I implemented your recommendations right away.

In case I can do something for you to, please let me know.

I hope we got the core parts of the site fixed so far.

Endless of thanks again.
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I have no words to express how much I appreciate your excellent tips and suggestions. I implemented your recommendations right away.

In case I can do something for you to, please let me know.

I hope we got the core parts of the site fixed so far.

Endless of thanks again.
Hi John-

Wonderful!

Glad I could help. It is something I felt I could do to thank you for all that I have learned over the years from you and other forum members.

I look forward to hearing of your continuing success with SEO Workers.

Best,

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I just clicked the link for your site and got the Plesk default page. I'm sure that was not your intent.

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I just clicked the link for your site and got the Plesk default page. I'm sure that was not your intent.

Thanks for the heads up. We had a problem with our site for 30 minutes.
The work we done the last days got lost.
We will fix the content of the homepage and the about us page as from others suggested above.
And we have to setup our portfolio page.

Must be done within the next 24 hours.
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The most important links are placed above the top bar that has the cool design. If you'd place those links below the top design, they would be a lot easier to find.

Could you tell where would fit best? It must remain horizontal and not on the left or right side.
The same way it is now, just below the top design.

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SEO is much more than just the HTML code. Ofcourse, pure technically, the visual part doesn't matter that much to search engines. But positions of many parts are very important to visitors. Besides that, which maybe isn't really so much SEO anymore, converting visitors into clients or at least to get them to use the contact form or pick up the telephone, is as much optimization. Your content is now focused on convincing the visitor of what good seo is, while you should be convincing him of contacting you.
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Hello everybody. Back again with some updates.

I replaced the link to the forums at the top nav bar with a link to the testimonial page I created, as Dave suggested: Clients Testimonials - SEO Workers

I am still checking again and again the thread and working on more issues.

If you could have another look, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks again,

John
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Great site.

Potential clients may wonder why the sites on the client testimonials page all have 0 pagerank.
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Great site.

Potential clients may wonder why the sites on the client testimonials page all have 0 pagerank.
Thanks Dan for your kind review.

The testimonial page is some days old. Should I fake the Google Toolbar?
I can, but I do want to do something unethical like that.
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Hi John

To be honest the site doesn't look all that different from the last review. You perfectionist you.

I agree the text could be a bit daunting. We all know how passionate you are about SEO but is your average potential client going to feel rather alienated by that much text? If I can help condense the text down (certainly on that first page), then please let me know.

Secondly that right-hand bar is a bit heavy compared to some of the pages. I personally would re-think the position of the last 3 sections (From Need SEO certification).

Incidentally I don't think that PageRank on testimonials page is a serious issue. That really is just nitpicking. If its a new page then wait for Google to do its "thing".

HTH and if I haven't said so before nice photo. I thought you were just a computer and a telephone until I saw that.
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