Could someone please give some recommendations on installing a code to resize a website across different monitors? Paint System Information The site looks fine on my computer but on other monitors the page needs to be scrolled horizontally. I just want everything to appear for anyone visiting the site. I have read some general information on CSS and some other things, but I really don't understand all this lingo, I barely was able to design the site and get it published. Thanks for the help.

jb

I understand what you wish to do but to be honest it is not as easy as just adding a script and with your limited programming knowledge, I would do it a different way. I do not mean this as an insult as I'm just trying to help you make your page display correctly across all browsers and resolutions. What I recommend is to set your main table to 800 wide then defining your other tables from there. This is not a fix but more like a band-aid on what you want to do. This will set your table to a width that everyone will see without scrollbars. Now you can also set it to 1000 wide but everyone viewing it on a 800x600res will see scrollbars.

Again this will make your page display correctly, but it does not let it auto resize.

Also you may want to look at your scroll title as it is flying by so fast no one can read it "I was using FireFox"

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I agree with amxfan. To do what you are talking about would require you to design a replica of the sight suited for each resolution size. Then a simple code can be added, to direct the user to the pages that cater to the resolution size of their monitor.

Hi jboraski,

Before I allowed the scripts to run the site was resizing just fine. I checked the code and found the following...

<marquee width="1103"...
<marquee width="1277"...

I do not have experience with the marquee so I am not sure if it can be sized with percent.

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Accommodating different-sized monitors is the least of your problems.

1. Two horizontal scrollers and both are too fast. By "too" I mean that they should not move at all.

2. Color scheme is very old looking.

3. I have a 24-inch monitor, but my browser is set to be about 1000 pixels wide. I would design for a maximum width of no more than 900 px. You need to reduce the size of your photos. I like the photos. Just reduce the size and let people click on them for a larger version.

4. You should use an external style sheet and not inline styles.

5. Using anything similar to Expression Web Graphics | Expression Web Templates For Business will usually guarantee that the resulting design will be eligible for a mention at this site: Web Pages That Suck learn usability and good web design by looking at bad web design -- The Daily Sucker

6. You need to hire a designer and a webmaster and start over.

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Thanks for the input.

AMXFAN, I will redesign under a 800 x 600 page size and we'll see what it looks like then.

Is there just a better program to use rather than Frontpage that will help me out with this Basic web design?

and if anyone is a web designer, email me some information so that we can discuss. jboraski@gfcfinishing.com

There are many. I myself use Dreamweaver. Frontpage is ok and you can build a nice and professional page with it, but I personally do not like the fact that it adds unwanted folders and you must have a server that has their extensions installed.

One of the down sides of Dreamweaver is like all programs, it's price is somewhat high.


Some programs that are nice to have, depending on what you want to do.
Photoshop
Dreamweaver / Frontpage / Microsoft Expression Web
Flash
Fireworks
Go Live
Indesign
If using CMS like Durpal, a server with PHP and SQL installed <-- nice to have anyway for testing reasons
MS Access or Navicat

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Dreamweaver.

But, if you are really serious about doing web design and web coding, then you should have "Adobe Creative Suite 3 Web Premium combines the best-of-the-best web design and development tools."

It is bargain priced at $1600 USD.

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If you're fixing for 800px resolution, stay 780px wide and UNDER.

800px will still pop a horizontal scrollbar up if your page is longer than the screen to accomodate for the vertical scrollbar on 800x600 monitors.

Thanks guys,

I am in the process of reformatting the pages onto a smaller page size. I will post here when I get this finished so that someone may want to check it out again.

By no means am I a guru at this, I actually have just been teaching myself while doing my real job functions, but all the information provided has and will be used wisely.

I give up!!!!!!!!!!! after redesigning for 800 now look at my site?@!?! Welcome to Website.

Guess its time to go back to school!

Actually you don't need FrontPage extensions installed, if you use it as a straight html code editor. It is only when you want to use its dynamic scripts that the extensions are required. However, big problem with FrontPage is that it adds extraneous code and will drop important bits of code particularly if used in WYSIWYG view.

I use FrontPage 2006 but only in code view - the WYSIWYG view changes the case of the code (not good).

I have Dreamweaver too but, as many on the forum know, I do not think it is worth the huge amount of money. Used properly it is a powerful editor but it can encourage lazy and sloppy coding.

cheers

Ian

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You are kidding, I hope! I was under the impression that really serious coding was done by hand these days.
Having spent the last few years learning about CSS, the Zen gurus on the Eric Meyer discussion group all hand code.
I cannot see how any software is worth $1600 dollars! Wow.

Ian

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The above mentioned TOOLS shoud not be confusted with simple WYSIWYG software. Web producers use software like Flash and Dreamwaever to design websites analogically to using a video or still camera rather than simply painting or drawing visual aspects of a site.

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Sorry Dave, but what a bratty answer!

jboraski is obviously a beginner, trying to teach himself how to work on his web site and you recommend $1600 software?

I agree CS3 is good (I only use CS2 cause I am on a budget) but there are tons of less costly solutions that are effective and appropriate for beginners.

Here is one that is free
HTML-Kit
HTML Kit for more than editing HTML

If he needs more features, he can register for the pro version for $79.

Also, I highly recommend you learn HTML and CSS, jboraski.

These are very good, IMO:
W3Schools Online Web Tutorials

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Well, Yes and No.

Yes, because I believe in using the proper tools. Are a band saw and a milling machine appropriate for the same or different tasks? Don't answer, it is a bratty rhetorical question.

No, because GFC has spent 100s of thousands of dollars (maybe millions) on machine tools. They can easily afford to spend $1600 on the proper tools to build a website that will bring them millions of dollars of revenue.

I fail to understand how a company can spend 100K$ on a milling machine and then not spend 1.6K$ on the best software for creating/maintaining a website.

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JB,… don’t give up!

I thought the original design was fine except for the marquees. They were too annoying, not just the speed but especially with two of them so close together. In my opinion, the one in the header should have been eliminated and the one under might have been acceptable if it were sized correctly and slowed down.

As I mentioned before, the page was resizing just fine without the marquee because the width was too long. Will the marquee allow a percentage width?

If the marquee can’t be sized using a percent, then I would suggest that you put the original page back in with just text where the marquees were until you have worked out a redesign, if redesign is what you want. It is impossible to please everyone as far as design goes.

Also, it is not recommended to do redesigning ‘live’ but rather just link to the new page for review comments... no matter which design package you choose!

Would you burn money just because you can?

If web designing is your business then spending extra for programming might be logical just as spending more for milling machines opposed to hand saws due to the professional concept of efficiency.

I agree with tiley that there are less costly ways to achieve the same results and I would recommend those links as well. Either way there is a learning curve and money can't buy out of that.

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Well, did you ever think about hiring a professional Webdesigner for relaunching your Site? How many hours did you spend on this projekt so far? Think about it.

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Use a decent width for your content (i.e. most browsers surf using a resolution of 1024 or more).
There will always be exceptions - few people using less than that - let them scroll. Somebody can use a mobile phone to browse your website and have only 320 screen widh or less. If you limit your content width to 300, regular users that use 1024 or 1600 or event 2048 pixels width resolutions will see your page like a tiny column.

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In the near future browsers will resize web pages to fit onto the screen on the fly (like the iPhone) - so surely this is not something worth spending a lot of time on?

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Begin with linking your css file to correct place in the server directory, not to your local filesystem.

<link href="../Local%20Settings/Temp/Temporary%20Directory%201%20for%20download056.zip/template056/css/stylesheet.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="all" />

In other words, you can make it in this way:

<link rel="stylesheet" href="stylesheet.css" type="text/css" media="all" /> (you have to be sure about the 'media').

and put the file "stylesheet.css" in the same directory where your default index file is, or in a separate directory in the same place, say "css" which you should refer to as "href="css/stylesheet.css".
I also noticed you have different default files. One that is returned from "/" is different from your index.htm. You have to be careful with what you link to and what you provide to the public.

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I suggest dont go for any script. Use the absolute units for your tables with that your website will appear same every where



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One last time for now to get this somewhat acceptable, at least acceptable in my terms. We are not a web based business, less than 1% of our revenue comes from the internet. This is something that has been taken up almost as a hobby, and yes the time spent is not worth it. I am thankful that in today computer age that this stuff can get done on split screens while other services are being rendered at the same time. Talk about multitasking!

I am going to put the website back to its original settings, scaled down a bit and with a few new ideas.


See that's what gets me in trouble..........IDEAS!

this forum has been one of the only ones that i have been on that is worth any information. At least its not abunch of people talking about Eliot Spitzer. I willl leave that one where it may lay.

Please check back again and again, i just love to fill my brain with the information you provide.

When I create websites I will do one of 2 things for the size.
1) Make the first table width 800 and then any other tables inside a percntage.
<table width="800" align="center">
<tr>
<td>
<table width="100%>

This will allow the site never to expand over 800 wide. So even if the monitor is set at 800x600 they will not have to scroll. However monitors set at higher settings (1024) will show the site in the middle, with space on both sides.

2) Or if I want the page to always expand over the full monitor then I would set the table width at 100%. If you do it this way all table data (tables, tr. td) will have to be a percentage as well.

When designing a site you should ALWAYS test cross browser and change settings to see how it will look.

If you are a little more code savy there are javascript codes that will retrieve the settings and you then can dynamically insert them into your code via PhP, ASP.

I THINK I GOT IT!!!! At least the home page. GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME TO BE PLEASED AND PROUD.

CHECK IT OUT..........Powder Coating and Liquid Paint Finising Systems

thanks to all and soon as my other pages are done, I'm Done...Kudos for those of you that deal with
this crap everyday.

Did you check your site in the usual Browsers?
Means IE 6, IE 7, Firefox, Opera, Safari.
If u want to be 100% sure, u should check it in Konqueror, IE5, Netscape...

I ask because i use Firefox 2.0.0.12 on WinXP and have a horizontal Scrollbar at 1024px width.



Besides, i would assure urself, that your Company name is visible in the head on all pages.

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wouldn't i have to download all of those programs to check them out? Is the company name visible to you?

Jboraski,

It seems you have a serious business. Instead of playing around with webdesign, for now I would suggest you hiring a professional(s) who could do it in a much more acceptable way, which can only benefit your company. Later, you can always work out the details.
Online presence can bring you a huge benefits, but if done in an amateur way it can be very harmful.

Delegating Design/SEO/SEM services could cost you a few $K, but the profit, in the long run, could be much, much higher.

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Dude, there are alot of negative people in this thread!

Jboraski, the design looks ok... alright. Don't worry about that so much. The problem you stated originally was getting the site to fit into every browser. They were right earlier when someone told you to resize to 764 pixels. 800 will still get you scroll bars, but 764 should get it just right. I measured your current design and I got 970 pixels. Thats to large. Bring it down to 764 and you'll be ok. As far as giving up, don't listen to the negative people that are posting hear. I am ashamed to say that we are all members of Web Pro World. This is the first thread that I have read that has total negativity. As you post more, you'll find out who to listen to. People like Webnauts and BJ are excellent at what they do and take great pride in their posts. I'm sorry to see they haven't posted to you yet. Maybe they took the day off.

One final note though. Yes get off of Front Page. Use Dreamweaver. I'm not saying it's the end all be all, but it is the industry standard.

We all started off somewhere in web design. I started back in 1996 and I still learn every day of the week. There is always going to be something new to learn. This is a ever eveolving industry and if you stop learning new thing then and only then should you think about quitting. Keep learning and keep posting your problems and there are plenty of people that will try and help. Just weed out the negativity.

DaveBarnes is also a good poster, but I agree that he could have been a little more tackful with what he was trying to tell you. You'll see that he posts here a bit to.

Good Luck - hope to see more posts from you

Thanx Saxman....I agree with you on getting dreamweaver, frontpage is one of the worst programs I think I could have inherited. But if I can get it to work somewhat with frontpage, I am one up on all those folks with the bashing going on. I win.

Ouch, I am sorry if you took it as bashing and if I hurt your ego in any way. That was not my intention, for sure.
I wanted YOU to win too.

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no problemo activeco. your suggestions were knowledgable/valuable. what do you think of it now?

Well yes, it works now. If that's what you wanted, then you succeeded.
It's only this page doing weird.
In any case make the header more better looking and that only should attribute for a big difference.

P.S. I usually read the whole thread before replying, but somehow I skipped #18 & #20, basically saying the same thing. My apologizes.

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Cool... One other thing, I was browsing through your code and I thought I should mention that it would do you and your company an immense amount of good if you where to learn CSS. I am assuming that those "style 1" and "style 2" were auto generated when you tried to apply a style to them. All of that coding that you have in the body tag (on preload) you can get rid of all of that and start implementing background images that you can type over for your buttons. This does a couple things, it helps to not bogg down the server when someone is downloading the site becasue before they can view anything they have to download all of the "on preload" items. Second, and take my word on this one as a web designer and SEO consultant, this will help you get better rankings with the Search Engines if you start to learn a few tricks like being able to apply styles to you <H> tags through the external style sheet. Learn that CSS my friend!! Learn it fast, because sooner or later you will run into someone that will ask you for a tableless design and if you don't know how, you'll lose out big becasue tableless sites are tough to make, but you get to charge more also.

L8r -Saxman

Yeah Saxman, i dug into some intro to CSS last night and now I understand the difference. I may be dangerous with these skills.

L8

Hi all,

This site is nice, a lot of data but disadvantage of site is no online purchase. I think you will improve and hope that your site will develop more and more.

In Firefox 3 you can now resize the web site while viewing it..

(CTRL and '+' or '-')

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