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We would appreciate very much your comments and suggestions!
Our newest web site is about Professional & Ethical SEO (Search Engines Optimization). Please notice that our forums and blog are still not 100% ready, so please no reviews about those please. 1. Our company name and domain name is: seoworkers.com. Please notice that the domain (05-Oct-2006) and site (15-Oct-2006) are brand new, with an own IP, hosted in Germany, and have been first time indexed by Google on the 19th of October this year. 2. The whole site validates XHTML and CSS. 3. The site also conforms the W3C/WAI Web Content Accessibility Guidelines, Priority 3 (AAA). Therefore it is optimized for Google Accessible Web Search for the Visually Impaired. 4. We also achieved an excellent page structure (semantics), that most web sites I see on the web don't, which can be checked that with this tool. 5. The site conforms the U.S. Government Evidence-based Usability Guidelines. We did our best to achieve an excellent site navigation, even though our html site map is not 100% done, will be ready be in the next few days. 6. Also see here how the search engines see our pages with this tool. 7. We also use ICRA, and we are also entered in their database, and not only using the Meta Tag. 8. We also have a feed created in RDF which validates. and we are using a P3P policy which also validates. 9. We have rich content about SEO, as articles and tutorials, and an SEO Tool, which we are updating from time to time. 10. We have IBLs from diverse TLDs like .edu, com, etc, also including our domain name (company) and main keywords, and OBLs only to authority sites so far. 11. We also did our best to conform to the Stanford Web Credibility Guidelines. 12. Also, in the new future we are leaving the .xml site maps, and we are moving to OAI-PMH path. 13. There are for sure more things we worked on, unique title tags, description and keyword meta tags, unique headings (h1,h2,etc), alt and title attributes, and more. 14. We also do social media optimization, including on-line bookmarking opportunity for our tutorials, articles and tools. 15. Site wide no broken links. 16. And by the way, yesterday we had the following rankings within the first 100 results of our targeted keywords, or some were also our top queries, according to Google Site Maps Webmaster Service: Google within the first 100 results: seo analyzer position 7 (05-Jan-07) seo article position 41 (05-Jan-07) seo articles position 55 (05-Jan-07) seo consulting position 38 (21-Dec-06) Yahoo within the first 100 results: seo analysis 31 Google some top queries within this week. seo analyze position 8 seo analyzer position 8 functioning of seo position 6 how to stop google from indexing https position 1 broken internal links seo position 1 robots exclude subdomain position 8 frames keyword prominence position 10 How would you rate our site SEO and chances for higher rankings? What do you think we can do better? --- Site created and seo by Webnauts Net & SEO Workers Team.
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And thanks for you kind review. :)
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Confused about the image in the top banner.
Up to the left? Normal is up to the right. Phone number on homepage is confusing: (+49) 0521 - 325 99 99 So, if I am in the USA do I punch the 0 after the 49 or not? I think the best would be: +49 521 325 99 99 as anyone in Deutschland would know that the "real" number is: 0521 325 99 99. Yes? Where is your "Impressum"? "Optimizing for Search Engines, with Humans in Mind." is a much better tag line than "Cutting Edge" ,dave
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That is the question! LOL
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Well, the code is obviously a "Mona Lisa", but if your asking for a personal opinion on the look, I feel that there is something wrong. I can't exactly pinpoint the problem but it has something to do with the line height, maybe a little too far apart. I'm sure you have tested and brain stormed this fact but it just doesn't work for me. You may want to tone down the 1.75em line height to 1.5 at most. Too much empty space for my little brain.
Also the logo height being 205 kinda fills up the upper half of my screen at 1152 by 864, maybe cut the height down to 175 or so will show off the content a little better. I took the liberties at Looking at it from my other computer at 1280 by 1024 and it still looks overwhelming. Mind you, it is a pretty pic. Besides that, it does look fabulous. Now I have off topic questions for you, if I may. The logo background pic at a 1597 width, why do you feel you need to make it so large? Fantastically optimized I must say but I'm just curious. Great Job as always... |
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Just one suggestion. Do you plan at a later date to add anything below the boxes - SEO Analysis Tool, SEO Articles & Tutorials and SEO Discussion Forums? If no why keep the space below those boxes blank? Why don't you let the main content at the left flow below the above mentioned boxes? This could easily be done and would help reduce page length and get rid of the empty look on the right.
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Any comments about SEO?
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Just-trying-to-help me made some modifications as you have recommended.
Can you have a look again? Did we miss something else?
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The site looks pretty good, but where is the original content? Sure tools are all well and good if that is your bag. Do you plan on having a blog on the website or are you gong to post fresh content on the forums? I think the SEO forum idea is pretty much played out. Breaking into that market would be tough.
Most of the info on thaw website is available in other locations online. I guess what I am trying to say is what makes you different from all the rest of the websites that offer these same things are seoworkers.com? Why do you run Webnauts.net and seoworkers.com? Aren't they pretty much the same thing? You don't want to run into branding confusion. I would clearly state the relationship between these two on the website somewhere and not just the footer. |
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By the way, thanks for the review Jaan, and I am looking forward to hear what you have to say about the above.
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And by the way Incrediblehelp, do you know many sites of SEOs that use all web standards and techniques we do, and if some do, do they validate and conform at the degree we do for Markup (XHTML Strict/CSS tableless) Accessibility, Usability, Navigation, Credibility, P3P, Semantics, etc?
I hope you are kidding me man. ;)
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I just see so many SEO company website so similar, mine included. It would be neat if you had some audio or video tutorials. Something that can makes you stand out from the normal SEO website.
Also I am not saying your contend is not original. That is not what I meant. I mean being different (link baiting) is obviously the hot thing now, so when releasing a website into the market place that is already VERY saturated you need to be different from the norm. |
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Where we see us being different than others is, that we provide cutting edge design and SE0, as we provide the creation and/or optimization of web sites for Google's Accessible Search, and we do SEO for sites Audios/Videos, and we implement for the most SEOs (but for us not!) future-oriented technologies overall.
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Looks fabulous, the layout is awesome but there is still something about the text that turns me off, sorry about that but the main content looks all over the place, dabble with a fieldset maybe, a slight rounded border around the main content text, or a #ECEEED 1px left,right,bottom border to close it. I don't know, it would take a little trial and error to get it right but your on your way.
No broken links, All valid URL's and no orphan files. Just Peachy. About your description, it may be a tad long as search engine results will cut it off... SEO Workers - Search Engine Optimization Consulting Company SEO Workers are dedicated to providing the means necessary to make web sites available to the largest audience, using the latest web site development ... www.seoworkers.com - More from this site - Similar pages In some cases, this can be a good attention grabber to tantalize people's curiosity. example: And here's a picture of her big... But in most cases, it supplies an incomplete view of what the page is really about. Best of Luck |
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It's looking really good!
I do agree about the line spacing though. Most of the acessibility folks I know are recommending either going with default or 1.4 or somewhere in between. Also, best practice states that you don't "dimension" a line height, it's simply a number. That isn't a spec thing but the top css folks simply say; line-height: 1.4; I warn y'all, the next bit is a rant . . . I'm going to mention a pet peeve of mine, one that has had me swearing at any other coder whose work I end up fixing. Even though spec also says you don't have to put a ; at the end of the last style attribute within a bunch, if you don't it makes for lots of potential mistakes when editing. If you slip and add a style attribute to the end of a bunch and forget to add the ; to the one before it, that can send you to the rubber room if you add a bunch of edits and then stuff is flying all over the place when you check the page. So best practice dictates that you put the "unnecessary" ; on the end of every last style attribute. It's not technically necessary but it is neater and more considerate coding.{/rant} I've also got a question for you. Would you please translate "Breadcrubs" ? ;)
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Oops, forgot to mention-- that SEO tool of yours said I don't have a robots.txt on my site. I do, and it's in proper format. Which means your SEO tool isn't reading that right.
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You are here: Home ... But I have a question now. How much space would you suggest between the paragraphs? I was reading the other day that is should be something like 1.5 - 2 em. Wouldn't that be too much? Well what can I say. Great review and suggestions.
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There are certain things I don't use em dimensions for. Between paragraphs is one place. Increase font size enough and with ems the spaces between the paragraphs become gaping chasms. I usually use a paragraph margin of 10px 0; YMMV. And that is one of those things that is a preference. Truly.
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Bj I had margin-bottom 15px for the paragraphs, and now I have 10px. And for accessibility is suggested to have 1.5-2 lines. What do you think?
And for html and body I have font size 100%. And later on I use internally .85em. How much larger would you recommend?
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That looks great, more structured. Much easier on the eyes, I find anyway.
PS: It would be a shame to waste all that space below the boxes, my link would fit perfectly in there, don't you think? LOL Good Luck, even though I'm sure you don't need it. |
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I think the site look is great. Nice and clean.
I can see that you have a link at the top of the page to services, contact us etc... but not at the bottom. When i get to the bottom of a document I like to have the info available without having to scroll back up a page. I can see the contact us is in the body text at the bottom of the page but not all visitors will recognise this as a link yet. For me, if I was looking for a company to assist me with SEO I would be looking straight away for Services & Quote pages. I think the positioning is clear to see at the top of the page but possibly it could be made more visible in other places of the document. In regards to the telephone number maybe define the 0 by putting it in closed brackets also. (+49)(0)521 - 325 99 99 |
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My first thought 'the graph is backwards?' . . But it works backwards.
It looks good . . . But your SEO forum still will not allow me to post. I think on memory I have sent three emails regarding the log in a while back . . (three is my limit) I think the first email got me registered The second email allowed me to post The third email said I could not log in. I did get a reply saying I was now able to. . . (that's not good for a recognised usability expert) I forgot what I was going to post John. John, there is no doubt you do great work. . But I am always concerned that you are so meticulous at dotting every I, and crossing every T, that it scares me. . This is when I find myself telling myself, that I do not represent your target market. I should say here I do sincerely love SEO persons and firms, I recently have been getting payments for classic car links, from some nice SEO people. . My overall impression John - It's good, it gives a good honest impression of high ethical values and sincerity - with a huge splash of qualified expertise. I think it will appeal to clients with money.
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I see what you mean about it not looking quite right at the test page http://www.seoworkers.com/test.html .
I do think somehow its needed because what we sometimes see as easy to navigate in our own sites is not always the case for others especially those who are not web savy. A friend of mine in the UK who runs a Silver Mail order catalogue company is developing a new site and they recently hired a company to run usability tests on the page. They hired I think 6 people in an office with a web cam on them and then thesse people given instructions such as Go to "Login" The results showed that what they believed was right for their site wasnt and people couldnt find it. I think you should play about with it and Im sure something will drop into place. The telephone number is a tricky one which I have first hand experience of as most of our customers are overseas for our Jewelry. I also have a small factory in Myanmar producing rattan ware for me and the other day someone gave me a telephone number in Myanmar and I wasnt sure do i include the zero or drop it. Let me know what you decide is best with the number. steve |
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Lets face it - the build of the site is textbook.
Personally I would stop worrying about the line height and paragraph spacing and concentrate on the 'hardcore' promotion. Get nice inbound links and concentrate your efforts on generating traffic (It would be nice to know what traffic this site is getting) This is obviously your field so I am somewhat interested in what you expect. Are you hoping that the site will suddenly, overnight become the main resource for SEO advise? The pagerank for the site still seems to be at zero. I know this is not everything but how long has the site been live? - and has it generated any business for you yet? You are obviously very talented and professional so I really don't mean to be rude, but I find it hard to digest a dedicated SEO site if they are still 'trying' themselves.
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I know its a bit late, but better late than never. Overall, your site looks very good. I like the graphic at the top. Very Web 2.0. (modern). Its very informative and it looks like you have really worked hard on this. I don't think i would have used just one colour for the layout, but as far as content and usability goes, its brilliant. HTH and Well done! |
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Debbie thanks a lot for your review and the nice words.
And be sure it is never too late. About the colors allow me to disagree. When we will add more colorful graphics soon, it will look for sure better. :)
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I am interested in the goal of the site, what is your target or aim? With regards to pagerank I set http://www.milesworkwear.co.uk/ live less than a month ago and it has PR3 already. I want to know what you expect from your site? That is the real question...
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In the Google Webmaster Tools I had on the 14th of January 2007 the following: ![]() High darkgreen=0px / grey=100px Medium darkgreen=2px / grey=98px Low darkgreen 89px / grey=11px Page Rank not assigned yet assigned yet darkgreen=9px / grey=91px The domain is registered on the 5th of October 2006, up since the 15th (10 days later) and indexed by Google on the 19th the same month. So no PR to see in the tool bar, and anyway no links with operators and co. 11 or 12 days ago I noticed a Google IBLs update. Google returns 480 IBLs. Can you tell with the above info the PageRank of the page/site, for sure of the day those values have been calculated and exported?
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I retrieved with my API key:
![]() I also just updated (logged in): http://www.seomoz.org/tools/page-str...seoworkers.com Try to check with this tool too: http://www.webuildpages.com/seo-tool...pages-tool.php I am not claiming that I am 100% right, that I have 8.2. I just calculated and came up with that. But Google will reveal soon the truth anyway. I am just trying to figure all that out for the future too.
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And upon all that, our forum shows PR 4 in the green bar, but the main site not yet. Do you want to say here that we do not have PR with 480 quality back links?
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jeez... I delayed quite a bit in coming here. I am sorry.
Ok, I´ve been to the site and the forum -and registered-. My impression of it is very good! I mean, I feel like I have nothing to say about it. It´s all ok. Font size is OK, color scheme OK too -easy to read, comfortable to the eye (when reading too much is expected) clear navigation, even the photo "backwards" is OK to me. See, 90% of my current clients and prospects ask me for sites like these. People are increasingly getting conscous about accessibility and clarity, in which "content is king". I have begun building my sites (back in 2001) in flash... now I don´t take works which ask me to use it -not even for intros-. I don´t negotiate that. there´s plenty of demand enough to choose to work for people with common sense. If you see Google results in general (I am an avid user always searching for diverse info) the sites which appear first are likely to be those very "silly coded" plain html sites... those which look awful, but work perfectly in terms of access to information. there is a middle point in this... when you can achieve a great visual result AND make the code look very "silly" for the search engines. To build a cool site, with some good taste and use of CSS, you are done. and this is what I see here. You have made a good looking site, so very clean in code (for the search engines and the users). Can it get any better thna this? Congrats, John. The only thing... When I entered the forun (home page) I see no navigation link back to the site, and the logo doens´t have the somehow expected link to the general homepage... Did I miss it? Good job. :-)
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Your welcome, the site deserves it. No less I can do for you John, actually I am sorry to have delayed this long.
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I hope you would like to have a look at our site 10 months later and tell me now what you think.
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IMHO and, as others have already pointed out, there's simply too much text squeezed into the page. So much so that it's difficult to read.
I understand the desire to get as much text fed to the spiders as you can, but with the page width being constrained, you might do well to consider breaking up the content with some white space so that it's more easily read and visually appealing. Additionally, the headings all need more space on top. One more line break would do it. Other than that, you know it's expertly constructed and presented. (We'd expect nothing less from you.) Excuse me, but like Tim, I've got to go dry my pants. LOL (It's not the question, it's the answer that matters most!) .02
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About what the others said except of the poster above you, was 10 months ago. The site looked different and we had more text, but since then we did a lot of work. I am still hoping to hear what the others hear have to say 10 months later. By the way did you dry your pants yet? Thanks again man.
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