A year or two ago I changed my web site to a frames format. It has bothered me that my stats show the various frame pages not loading anywhere near as often as the index page.

So, I am trying to unframe it. I would greatly appreciate input as to the placement of the navigation buttons on the new version. I didn't want to put them at the very top of the page because cached pages on the search engine very often pick up whatever is written at the very top, and I want my "welcome to" site description at the top for this reason.

I tried to put the buttons high enough on the page that they will show even when people have extra tool bars installed on their machines.

I have only done a potential home page.........All 740 other pages will be revised after I get this home page finalized. Would greatly appreciate all critiques of this new design, which is located at:
http://www.happydaycards.com/homepage_unframed.html

The original, framed version is just the url without the stuff after the slash. (should be in my sig line at the bottom of this request)

Several of you helped me in the past with suggestions about making changes in the wording on the home page, and I am hoping to get some more good help on this unframing project.

Thanks to all you good guys out there.

Thanks to all.

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http://www.happydaycards.com
Free E Cards for holidays and all occasions, fun pages and great recipes.

ME AGAIN: To be fair to all you reviewers, I have done one revised individual greeting card page so you can compare where the nav buttons are on the home page with what I have in mind for the individual pages on the site -- which is putting the buttons at the very bottom of each page with a note at the top to direct people there.

I need to know if this is workable even though it violates the BIG rule of having the nav section in the same place on every single page of your site.

The individual page is at
http://www.happydaycards.com/experiment_bdaycat.html

There are also major section "home pages" for categories such as birthday cards, love cards, holiday cards, etc. (in addition to the individual cards and recipe pages) and I intend to put a similar sort of notice at the top of each of those with the buttons at the bottom of those pages also.

If this is creating an unworkable monster I need to know that also. I can keep the frames format, even though I would really, really like to unframe the site.

(Besides that, it's the first of the year and I always think I have to do some major site redesign when the calendar changes........)

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http://www.happydaycards.com
Free E Cards for holidays and all occasions, fun pages and great recipes.

I have got the same kind of problem and was also looking into 'how to' unframe a excisting frame-based website. The horror...

The best way would be doing it all over ! Especialy the way you use tables instead of CSS. Many people tell me this will be new way of fixin' things ! CSS instead of tables I mean...

I have decided to slowly but surely replace all the content of my frame-based and Table-structured website with a solid CSS layout scheme and stick to frames for the 'whole' skeleton. Why not ?

You could visit the following on how to create a site with CSS Lay-out techniques: www.glish.com
Do you mean that you want to see visitor stats on individual pages ?


And indead it is the begining of a new year so everybody wants to redo their website. My deadline was the 1st. of januari...

css just doesn't work for my site because each of the card pages has its own "flavor" and I use different fonts depending on the seriousness or sillyness of the card itself.

With well over 700 pages, if I did switch to css I would have to redo the html coding for each page to eliminate the font specifications, line by line. I really and truly don't want to do that.

I get stats for every individual page. What I was saying is that the individual frames pages do not load as many times as the index page. For instance, for each 2,000 times the index page loads the navigation frame may only load 1700 times. That means that 300 people who visit my site that day are not seeing the navigation frame. Without the navigation frame they have no choice but to leave.

That is why I want to change from using frames. (plus hopefully being more SE friendly, even though I do have a noframes html section on the index page)

What I need to know is if the layout I have on the trial pages makes sense to a first time visitor. And, if not, how and/or where to set up the navigation buttons. I want to keep the buttons. I do not want to use another menu system.

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The Weedy Lady at
http://www.happydaycards.com
Free E Cards for holidays and all occasions, fun pages and great recipes.