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01-04-2005, 04:47 PM
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www.seoforgoogle.com
I've just completed this site and would love to know what else I could do to make it better. Any and all feedback will be appreciated, and please let me know if I can review any site of yours.
Thanks in advance! |
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01-04-2005, 09:40 PM
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SEOforGoogle,
When you make strong claims about clients, they are more convincingly demonstrated by testimonials, a portfolio or both. Did I miss them? I am also curious about all the; "no-archieve, nodisplay and no-cache" meta’s? Would you mind, just for my sake, explaining all the <div id="information"><h1> stuffing in the <body> that doesn't show up and how that works well with GOOGLE SEO without being penalized? Also does it really help since there is quite a bit of speculation whether h1 and h2 have been depreciated in value by GOOGLE? Also, there are 32 errors on the "index" page according to W3C validation service. In light of continuing speculation about “brownie points” for clean code, wouldn’t it be more convincing to both the SEs and clients to present clean code? Don't take me wrong, you are making serious claims and have an URL that may command attention... I am just offering critique in response to your inquiry. I don't respond to many posts in this forum for many reasons, but your Site and "premise" caught my interest. Best Regards, Ken |
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01-05-2005, 02:08 AM
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greeneagle~
I've been lurking for a while in these forums and I've always enjoyed your comments, so here is the reply for your questions: [quote]When you make strong claims about clients, they are more convincingly demonstrated by testimonials, a portfolio or both. Did I miss them? [quote] No, you did not miss them. I've purposely left those off as I want people who may be interested in buying my ebook to contact me for proof. At that point, I believe that they are serious, and at that point, I will gladly provide results of my work, and I am currently in the process of authorization for some testimonials. Also, I didn't want to have a gaudy page full of cluttered junk with blinking text, flash animations and whatnot. I am not in this for a quick hit. I wrote this "guide" because I had so many of my friends ask me questions on how to rank well in Google, and this ebook was spawned from it. [quote]I am also curious about all the; "no-archieve, nodisplay and no-cache" meta’s? [qhote] It's just been in my experience that by using these meta tags, I've been able to get Google to visit a site faster and index it (until it has built up enough linkpop on it's own) [quote]Would you mind, just for my sake, explaining all the <div id="information"><h1> stuffing in the <body> that doesn't show up and how that works well with GOOGLE SEO without being penalized? Also does it really help since there is quite a bit of speculation whether h1 and h2 have been depreciated in value by GOOGLE? [quote] Again, just from my own experience, using the <h1> and <div> tags work extremely well, as long as they have relevant content on the page for such keywords. Since it's done in CSS, Google won't penalize for it (yet!) [quote]Also, there are 32 errors on the "index" page according to W3C validation service. In light of continuing speculation about “brownie points” for clean code, wouldn’t it be more convincing to both the SEs and clients to present clean code? [quote] I used to always worry about proper validation until Yahoo said at the SES in Chicago that they don't care about web standard validation in their rankings. Their point was that some of the most relevant content comes from pages that are terribly formatted, but have great content. I do agree that I could earn extra "brownie points" with cleaner code, and as we speak, I am in the process of re-doing the site entirely in CSS. Thanks again for the feedback. -To your online success! Paul |
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01-05-2005, 03:51 AM
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Hi,
why wait until the client is 'serious' to show them how great you are? There are thousands of people out there making the same claims as you, if your potential client has to email every single one of them then they are going to have to waste a lot of time. I know if i were looking for these services/information i would go with the site that seemed most trustworthy and had the best reputation. Also i noticed your PR is 0/10 ad i couldnt find you in google, i think that perhaps i should add the word 'yet' - but until you are ranked yourself, very few will buy the book. Good luck. |
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01-05-2005, 04:26 AM
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SEOforGoogle:
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01-05-2005, 07:43 AM
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You've got quite a few HTML code errors (tags that are not closed, repeated closing tags, duplicated "class" attributes in tags, "class" attributes inside h1 tags) so you might want to clean that up. The "information" tag you're using looks more like a spam technique that could have adverse results...I'm personally wary of that one! From a user-friendly standpoint of your site, there's way too much scrolling on the home page - break up all that information into more manageable pages. Also, create a navigation that is more visible and user-friendly. (Not everyone knows to click on a logo to get "home".) The footer of your site has a copyright of 2003-2004 so your site has been online for awhile. However, you have zero inclusion and zero link popularity on Google, HotBot, AllTheWeb, AltaVista, Lycos, MSN and AOL. You do not rank in the Top 50 for "SEO Google" on Google, MSN and Yahoo. So, why would I consider your services or buy your book if your own site has zero rank or placement? |
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01-05-2005, 07:44 AM
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jkomp -
I completely agree with you on your statement about people not buying the book until they see results for the site. I just launched it on the 3rd, so I know I'll have a lil bit of time before the site gets ranked. I am still debating on placing "proof" of performance on the site, so thanks for the heads up in that. As far as PR goes, as a Google engineer said: "It's accurate, but not precise." greeneagle - [quote]I missed the CSS there, but I hope with that reasoning you are not saying that anyone can also hide external CSS generated text on the same color table background and not run a risk of being caught right now. DO you really think they can't parse and index external CSS files? [quote] I'm not hiding the text on the same color table background, in fact I make sure that the text is not invisible. I'm sure they can parse and index css files, but I don't know 100% if the bots can comprehend the meaning of the code - very similar to the problems it has reading javascript. As I mentioned before, I know I could be wrong on all of this, I am just making these statements based on my own experience. MarcieZoob- Concerning what Yahoo says about validation and how that compares it to Google to me is all relevant. Sure those words came from a Yahoo engineer, but from alot of serps I see in Google, I would reason that the same is true in Google. Just like all the methods used to get a good position in Google, you could also apply for all the other search engines. I only chose the url and name of the book since to the general public (my target audience), Google is the major search engine to use. I am not targeting SEO's with this book, I am targeting the do-it-yourself person who wants to know how to do it. I know I have many html code errors - I am a terrible programmer! But I am in the process of getting the site re-done in CSS. And as far as linkpop, I know I have to work on that - that's why I placed the url in here for review! Thanks for the great feedback! Paul |
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01-05-2005, 11:24 AM
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SEOforGoogle,
This forum is definitely for the Brave. Hope you don't feel skint and taxidermed! It's a great forum for anyone that can handle the heat well as you have. You do make a point though, that I hope is just an oversight by GOOGLE. On their Webmaster's Guide in the "Fact or Fiction" section: Quote:
Good luck in your endeavors, Ken |
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01-05-2005, 11:56 AM
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greeneagle -
I knew full well having the site I do would draw comments. That's great as far as I'm concerned. I know I don't have all the answers, and I have no problems with being proven wrong, it's all for the better. The best way to learn is to view all sides of an arguement IMO. While I may not agree with all parties, most times each has valid points, thus furthering my knowledge of a given topic. Thanks for the comps, and hope you have a successful 2005! Paul |
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01-05-2005, 03:24 PM
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well going past the coding issues I find the site missing content some pages are too long and should be broken up.
Some nicer images would be good to make the site more visual I’m not talking about cheese flashing graphics. Do you have any worry about the impending trademark infringement legal problems since you are using a registered trademark in your business name and url? |
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01-05-2005, 03:44 PM
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globalhostinggroup -
[quote]Do you have any worry about the impending trademark infringement legal problems since you are using a registered trademark in your business name and url?[quote] Yes. I am sweating bullets to see if the big G is going to come down on me. That's why I put the disclaimer at the bottom of every page, as I have seen used on googlerankings dot com. It seems they have some sort of relationship with Google, whereas I have none. Time will tell on that one. I think if the site stays in obscurity, no one will notice or care. But if it would become something larger, than I may have issues... |
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02-25-2005, 02:54 PM
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globalhostinggroup: Do you have any worry about the impending trademark infringement legal problems since you are using a registered trademark in your business name and url?[quote] I was until I talked to an attorney and he stated: "The Supreme Court has recently ruled that even a defensible trademark cannot be broadly applied when used a description. Google is trademarked as a company, but this does NOT give them broad protection for use of this generic term." "Use at your own risk." Of course, I am still a bit worried, because I am sure they have many lawyers... |
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02-25-2005, 04:39 PM
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well a google is not that brod of a term but you never know they have big fish to fry you may not be worth the time.
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02-25-2005, 06:36 PM
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I sure hope not! ;-P
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03-10-2005, 05:46 PM
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Out of everyone here I have to say I really don't see your long page as bad. The site is obviously made to be a sales pitch for an Ebook. How many sites that do that do you see with more than a few pages. The Robert G. Allen ebook site has one giant page with information and testimonials. If it is a sales pitch site is is appropriate. Also, if someone don't know that the image on top goes "home" then they probably shouldn't be online in the first place. That was the first thing my mouse landed on even.
There is an issue though. The site does not meet the current Google algorithm for that keyphrase you are targeting. You should probable not use the exact phrase in the title. Just break it up with another word in between or something. Also get that phrase OUT of your keyword tag just like for the title and possibly do the same for the description tag. You should definately use the phrase less in the body because the density of that phrase is too high. Hope that helps.
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04-22-2005, 01:26 PM
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collusion -
Thanks for the tips and keep us posted on the search engine algorithm you're building. |
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04-22-2005, 03:00 PM
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Personally this site gave me nothing, not only was i not even slightly interested in purchasing your e-book but i wasted 30 minutes of my own time reading the website.
From a sales point of view you have literally 1 paragraph to sell a product and after that people turn off. With so many people selling e-books on various auction websites for pennies how would i know this isn’t just a reseller that’s currently being passed around the internet for free. I’m sorry to be harsh, but if this was a shop i wouldn’t even look in the window. Honest will get you everything.. well that’s what they say! - Mark |
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04-22-2005, 03:08 PM
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Good Info, But too much in one setting ....
Your site has great information. I generally don't mind up/down scrolling and detest left/right scrolling. However, I find your store front page a bit lengthy. Have you considered "headlining" your points and have the information on content-rich and relevent pages?
Also, I too live by, but don't survive by, W3C validation. Heck, run Google, MSN, Yahoo! or any giants main page in W3 and you'll be humored. HOWEVER, I do think you could use the "OUTLINE" offered at W3C to your advantage. You're employing <h1> well, but in excess maybe: You're webpage outlines like this: The Google Sandbox - How to get out - google ranking techniques SEO for Google, Search Engine Optimization for Google Get your site found in Google - why is it hard to get a good ranking in Google Internet Marketing SEO for Google - Get the Google SEO techniques needed for top rankings in Google! THE ACTUAL CODE USED TO GET TOP RANKINGS IN GOOGLE! :: HOWEVER :: GET STARTED RIGHT NOW! ...And who are you again? So why are you selling this information? How long will it take? WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Click here to order now! What does this Guide cover? Maybe not the best picture to paint with lots of emphasized and capitalized words that aren't relevant to your thesis and main points. Hope you do well; good luck. Please have a look at my site http://www.freshdames.com
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04-22-2005, 03:59 PM
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m4K - Thanks for your .02, if you spent 30 minutes reading, I think you would've at least checked out the "results" page to see that at least what I claim actually works...and thanks for pointing out "how would i know this isn’t just a reseller that’s currently being passed around the internet for free."
It's not, my book is based on concrete work and results, but I thank you again for pointing that fact out, I will add that fact very soon... freshdames - Well, I gotta say that the site **LOOKS** really nice ;-P "Have you considered "headlining" your points and have the information on content-rich and relevent pages?" - yes, I am in the process of redoing that, so I can seperate the fact that my content is not found around the internet and I just collect a resellers fee (per m4k) "You're employing <h1> well, but in excess maybe: " - absolutely. But I am doing it for a different reason other than SEO. Using "<font-size="16">" and "[b]" to achieve the same effect drives me nuts. The overuse of H1 tags is done strictly for editorial purposes (and controllable from the stylesheet). I like the content of your site, but if it were my site, I would try to have a bit more organization to it. All I mean by that is standardization. There are different size pictures and banners. Why not make them all consitently one size. A site that I think does a great job of this is www.teamnicole.com - The main point is a natural flow of information for the site. I think the best advice I ever heard for site design is "Don't make me think" - make it as easy as you can for the user to find information. PS - I'm not affiliated with the teamnicole site, just a frequent visitor :-P |
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04-22-2005, 04:38 PM
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Why not offer something that is full proof, which gets results first time with little or no effort? Then we would be reading each word from your website like is was gold dust! If your product or service cannot beat the current competition, you either work to produce something that can, or save your time and money and look for another market niche. My opinion, - Mark |
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04-22-2005, 05:08 PM
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m4K - Again, thanks for the input, I do enjoy it.
"Why not offer something that is full proof, which gets results first time with little or no effort? " - lol. if I had something THAT effective I'd be a millionaire by now... however, I can say that everything that's in the book is everything that I do on a daily basis, and I have great results (60+ clients). Not saying that to brag, but to get people to realize that while the methods work, **they do take time**. (60-90 days) If they want no effort, they can contact me directly and I'll do an seo campaign for them :-P. Otherwise, my book is meant for the webmaster who wants to know exactly what to do for their website without having to read through numerous threads in forums, and just wants to get started immediately. Not that there's anything wrong with forums, but I've found in all my years of lurking that no one will come out with point blank answers to a question. (technique-wise) - whereas I do. In the book I give you the exact same code I use for my client sites and they've all had tremendous success. WHOAH! sorry for the sales pitch everyone, I just get fired up when it comes to talking about seo that works. |
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04-22-2005, 06:31 PM
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04-22-2005, 07:23 PM
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Last year I was getting about 44 visitors per day and now I'm getting over 4000 per day and about 495K page views per month; so, it's been a positive learning experience! I have to respectfully disagree with Mk4; there's a billion people almost surfing the web of over 8 billion pages. Free information is there, but difficult to consolidate and filter through. I don't think you have a NY Bestseller obviously, but I think you may tap into the niche of self-helpers nonetheless; let us know how it goes! Thanks again!
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04-22-2005, 11:34 PM
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Just a couple of cents from the snowflake here...
When I redesigned my sites last year tweaking the code and keywords and writing keyword-packed page text, I relied heavily on none other than Google to give me free help and advice about good design and how to rank higher. No, they won't reveal their deep, dark secrets, but they do give very useful advice that when followed will pull you closer to the gold ring (#1 search results page) I do get number one page on my keywords in a google search. (guess which words - duh!) Sorry SEOforGoogle but I would never pay for advice I can get free elsewhere - including here at the WebProWorld forum. Snowflakegirl http://www.papersnowflakes.com |
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04-22-2005, 11:49 PM
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snowflakegirl - no worries here, that's great to hear that you have successfully optimized your site, I wish you nothing but online success!
freshdames - had 2 more sales today...best part of this that it's a nice form of extra income, so as far as I'm concerned, ANY copy I sell is gravy! Let me know how your site design comes along. |
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04-28-2005, 02:53 PM
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globalhostinggroup - along with Google apparently going after anyone with the "oogle" in their name, I almost expect some papers any day now...
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05-19-2005, 12:57 PM
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New changes to site coming next week - in anticipation, I will try to review and give seo feedback for new sites...
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06-02-2005, 07:52 AM
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[not a bump]
...finally completed the new changes - tell me if you think there are too many links, or what looks bad/out of place, etc. I've added the following: All the text links both above and below the logo AdSense all comments/insults welcome! http://www.seoforgoogle.com |
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06-02-2005, 11:29 AM
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I am in google for a few words in the first page by pure luck (burf being one of them words)
Maybe I should write a book lol. I discussed this at work and to really be interested in this ebook i would expect your site to be listed for a couple of words in google and to have a pr rating of 6+. If you know the key secrets of google then you show this by having a high rated site on google |
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06-02-2005, 01:26 PM
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Burf -
While your points are valid, I was more concerned about the look of the site right now... any comment on that? |
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06-03-2005, 04:31 AM
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Oh sorry about that.
For looks your site is very nice, i like the design alot. It just looks nice to the eyes The only thing i do not like is you change the font space etc on the main page a few times (is that me?) So at the top its all nice, at the bottom its all spaced out? |
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06-05-2005, 03:56 AM
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Spelling error: Enter only www in your serach to see how Google ranks the top 1,000 sites.
http://www.seoforgoogle.com/google-tricks.cfm |
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06-06-2005, 01:35 PM
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micropat -
Thanks for catching that! It's since been fixed. |
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