Strange ranking results.

MJW · #1 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 05:58 AM

Hello,

I've been checking search engine rankings with an online tool and received some results I can't explain, but wish to understand.

For example the website, using the keywords 'education supplies uk', gets the following results:

Google: #2
Yahoo! Search: No - Not in top 50
MSN: No - Not in top 50
AOL: #2

Why is it that the site ranks so high using the Google and AOL search engine, and get such bad results using Yahoo! or MSN? How can I make the website rank better in the other search engines?

Cheers,

MJ

subhzash · #2 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MJW

Hello,

I've been checking search engine rankings with an online tool and received some results I can't explain, but wish to understand.

For example the website, using the keywords 'education supplies uk', gets the following results:

Google: #2
Yahoo! Search: No - Not in top 50
MSN: No - Not in top 50
AOL: #2

Why is it that the site ranks so high using the Google and AOL search engine, and get such bad results using Yahoo! or MSN? How can I make the website rank better in the other search engines?

Cheers,

MJ

What is your website URL??

MJW · #3 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 06:56 AM

The Consortium - buying made easy for all your educational supplies

inertia · #4 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 08:52 AM

In general - Yahoo and MSN pay a lot more attention to the content of a site and Google (AOL's results are Googles by the way) pays more attention to links.

My first bit of advice would have been to build more content but looking at the Google cache you have thousands of site pages already. Have you created an XML site-map and submitted it to Yahoo and MSN?

inertia · #5 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 08:55 AM

Heres a link to a post about sitemaps:

XML Sitemaps

**incrediblehelp** · #6 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 05:14 PM

AOL uses Google results. Have you always ranked well in Google? Have you never ranked well in MSN and Yahoo?

reebene · #7 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 05:25 PM

I get the opposite.
My bigjohnsamui site is top of Yahoo search for 'hotel koh samui' and on page 6 of google.

I've never figured out how to get top ranking in Google. If anyone can tell me how I'd love to know!

Ree.
The Lipa Lovely formerly Big John Resort, Hotel Koh Samui
Lipa Lovely Resort - Koh Samui
*Benebear site hand made teddy bears

jonisolis · #8 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 05:26 PM

>checking search engine rankings with an online tool

Is there a free tool that will do this? If so what is the URL? Thanks!

Peter (IMC) · #9 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 05:29 PM

OOPS,... this post was a big mistake lol. Forget it was ever here...

Peter (IMC) · #10 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJW

Hello,

I've been checking search engine rankings with an online tool and received some results I can't explain, but wish to understand.

For example the website, using the keywords 'education supplies uk', gets the following results:

Google: #2
Yahoo! Search: No - Not in top 50
MSN: No - Not in top 50
AOL: #2

Why is it that the site ranks so high using the Google and AOL search engine, and get such bad results using Yahoo! or MSN? How can I make the website rank better in the other search engines?

Cheers,

MJ

AOL = Google search results and there can be various reasons why it goes good in Google and not in the other 2. Yahoo is generally slow, MSN has very different ranking logic.

Also,.. are you sure it's all the correct local versions of the engines?

datetopia · #11 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MJW

The Consortium - buying made easy for all your educational supplies

Is this SPAM?

Peter (IMC) · #12 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by datetopia

Is this SPAM?

Lol, yeah that's what I thought at first too. But actually it's the thread starter replying to somebody asking what his site is.

meadrose · #13 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 10:59 PM

Simple. The rules are different for the different engines. Yahoo is a pay deal and it loves keywords in Title tags. MSN re-uses the yahoo data. So, one thing I do is buy my domain name through yahoo and host it where ever. because I am paying monthly, yahoo and therefore MSN likes me.

Also Yahoo pays attention to the meta keywords tag and the meta description tag.

Google likes total keyword density, img alt tags, bold, h1 and h2 tags.

All of them like inbound-only links but google is more finicky about duplicate remote anchor text and non-relevant remote content for inbounds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJW

Hello,

I've been checking search engine rankings with an online tool and received some results I can't explain, but wish to understand.

For example the website, using the keywords 'education supplies uk', gets the following results:

Google: #2
Yahoo! Search: No - Not in top 50
MSN: No - Not in top 50
AOL: #2

Why is it that the site ranks so high using the Google and AOL search engine, and get such bad results using Yahoo! or MSN? How can I make the website rank better in the other search engines?

Cheers,

MJ

seo4china · #14 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 12:42 AM

MSN re-using Yahoo's data...You are kidding right?

crazyseo · #15 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 12:54 AM

There is nothing strange in it.
Do onpage optimization well. optimize Alt, and submit sitemap in MSN and Yahoo. it will start ranking well in both two as well

chowell · #16 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 12:58 AM

Google is able to filter out spam & black-hat linking more effectively (ok, they still suck), while Yahoo and MSN seem more vulnerable to these tactics.

It sounds like you're doing things right (for Google), but not quite spammy enough to compete in Yahoo/MSN.

Stick w/ what you're doing and don't be tempted to start spamming. Eventually, you'll start ranking in all 3 sites.

PixelPusher · #17 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 03:43 AM

I guess u are lucky that it is not vice versa. Especially on MSN u have sometimes not explainable Rankings (could mean u never get even into the index and have no clue why). Yahoo is sometimes slow as mentioned before, u should submit a xml-sitemap to the webmaster tools of Google, Yahoo and MSN - so u can check the analysis tools there and find out if you have any problems.

inertia · #18 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by chowell

It sounds like you're doing things right (for Google), but not quite spammy enough to compete in Yahoo/MSN.

Stick w/ what you're doing and don't be tempted to start spamming. Eventually, you'll start ranking in all 3 sites.

This is the best bit of advice you've received so far. If you're doing well on Google then why bother "rocking the boat".

MJW · #19 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 04:28 AM

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Have you created an XML site-map and submitted it to Yahoo and MSN?

I believe a sitemap has been submitted, I'll re-check that.

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Have you always ranked well in Google? Have you never ranked well in MSN and Yahoo?

To my knowledge the site has never ranked well in either Yahoo or MSN.

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checking search engine rankings with an online tool. Is there a free tool that will do this? If so what is the URL?

I've tried multiple free tools, mind that they are not all very good tools. For me the results always gave general poor ranking in Yahoo and MSN, and good results in google. You can easily find tools via search engines, but here you go:
SEOcompany
MMT

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Also,.. are you sure it's all the correct local versions of the engines?

I've tested ranking in UK versions of Yahoo and MSN, the results are truly poor

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The Consortium - buying made easy for all your educational supplies

Is this SPAM?

No spam, sorry about that, my bad.

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Also Yahoo pays attention to the meta keywords tag and the meta description tag.