Webpage Keyword Density Tool

[fulleffect]

Helloooo,

Does anyone recommend any certain products or websites for keyword density checking?

I used this website, which i thought was brilliant, until it started giving me incorrect results.

SEO Tool : Keyword Density count how many keyword found in your website

Damn shame, as it looks very promising, except, it only counts 10 uses of the phrase "hair extensions" for the website Hair Extensions - Find a Local Salon, when there are actually 72 !



p.s: What density percentage do people recommend per page?
and, how many words in total per page do you recommend?


Thanks in advance!
Daz

[fulleffect]

I have just used a keyword density calculation formula as suggested on this site (How Search Really Works: The Keyword Density Myth | Search Engine People | Toronto)

And the total word count on my page is 2775...... the keyword "hair extensions" is used 72 times, which gives......

72 / 2775 = 0.0259 * 100 = 2.59%


Im sure someone said anywhere between 2& and 7% is average/good.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by fulleffect

I have just used a keyword density calculation formula as suggested on this site (How Search Really Works: The Keyword Density Myth | Search Engine People | Toronto)

And the total word count on my page is 2775...... the keyword "hair extensions" is used 72 times, which gives......

72 / 2775 = 0.0259 * 100 = 2.59%


Im sure someone said anywhere between 2& and 7% is average/good.

1. Highest keyword density should be no more than 4%.
2. Keyword density alone is not important: Avoiding Keyword Stuffing Ban

[crankydave]

IMHO the best tool is the one between your ears.

Read it aloud. Have someone read it aloud to you. Sound natural? If so, the density is probably spot on then.

Dave

[Webnauts]

Or if you cannot read, you can also use a "Screen Reader".

[crankydave]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Or if you cannot read, you can also use a "Screen Reader".

Actually John, very good idea.

Folks have a tendancy to "skim", miss things, or read what they're thinking and not what they've written when they're reading something they wrote themselves. Using a screen reader would prevent that.

Dave

[fulleffect]

i appreciate your comments guys, but im still wondering if anyone knows of any keyword density tools / websites?




Daz

[crankydave]

Originally Posted by fulleffect

i appreciate your comments guys, but im still wondering if anyone knows of any keyword density tools / websites?




Daz

Keyword density tool - Google Search

Dave

[Webnauts]

Check with my SEO Analysis Tool in my signature.

[Keimos]

Hi Daz,

John (webnauts) has the site SEO Workers - Search Engine Optimization Consulting Company

Its cool and just an extension of webproworld

Keimos

[ron angel]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Check with my SEO Analysis Tool in my signature.

Your keyword analyser from the signature is very good but has one problem the United States Patent Application: 0060294155 link in the page is picked up as dangerous by zone alarm professional ( which of course it is not on your link) but quite rightly so as you never know what is going to be on the other end of a TinyURL.com - shorten that long URL into a Tiny URL link could be malware of some sort.might be a good idea to change to a normal link so people can see what they are clicking on before doing so & not get false alarms from security software as happened on this occasion.

[Janna122003]

Originally Posted by fulleffect

Helloooo,

Does anyone recommend any certain products or websites for keyword density checking?

I used this website, which i thought was brilliant, until it started giving me incorrect results.

SEO Tool : Keyword Density count how many keyword found in your website

Damn shame, as it looks very promising, except, it only counts 10 uses of the phrase "hair extensions" for the website Hair Extensions - Find a Local Salon, when there are actually 72 !



p.s: What density percentage do people recommend per page?
and, how many words in total per page do you recommend?


Thanks in advance!
Daz

Actually, I don't meassure the density of keywords as long as the content is informative and the keywords is properly used.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by Janna122003

Actually, I don't meassure the density of keywords as long as the content is informative and the keywords is properly used.

Can you please explain how you can tell if the keywords properly used? Is there a kind of methology or technique? Now I am curious...

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by ron angel

Your keyword analyser from the signature is very good but has one problem the United States Patent Application: 0060294155 link in the page is picked up as dangerous by zone alarm professional ( which of course it is not on your link) but quite rightly so as you never know what is going to be on the other end of a TinyURL.com - shorten that long URL into a Tiny URL link could be malware of some sort.might be a good idea to change to a normal link so people can see what they are clicking on before doing so & not get false alarms from security software as happened on this occasion.

That is the only tiny URL I use sitewide, since I thought I can trust the US government. But I understand your point. I will change that when we launch our tool new version which is coming soon.

Thanks a lot for the tip Ron.

John

[Pintu]

Originally Posted by fulleffect

Helloooo,

Does anyone recommend any certain products or websites for keyword density checking?

I used this website, which i thought was brilliant, until it started giving me incorrect results.

SEO Tool : Keyword Density count how many keyword found in your website

Damn shame, as it looks very promising, except, it only counts 10 uses of the phrase "hair extensions" for the website Hair Extensions - Find a Local Salon, when there are actually 72 !



p.s: What density percentage do people recommend per page?
and, how many words in total per page do you recommend?


Thanks in advance!
Daz

Ya i have a nice keyword density checking tool


Please click this url Seo Book Keyword Suggestion Tool

[linnetwoods]

Seems like webnauts' technically correct pearl of wisdom fell on stony ground... over-use of keywords is treated with the same revulsion by the creepy crawlies as spam.

What you can do to maximise your impact is ensure that your images are named Hair-Extension.jpg and Find-A-Local-Salon.jpg, that the alt text (what comes up when you put the mouse over the image) is also keyword orientated and that the (few but accurate) keywords in your header are repeated three or four times in the page.

If the content is informative and completely different from any other document on the topic, your code is crisp and clean and your links to other pages all named in a relevant way, you'll get a lot further in the not-so-long run than someone with 72 repetitions on a single page.

The rules are changing all the time as new dirty tricks and plain pointless duplicates come up - doing a proper job of being relevant is the only way anyone will survive in the not-so-distant future...

You need sites with deservedly high rankings to be linking to you because you supply unique and relevant content - you can't fool those guys for long either... don't try to!

[full house]

have you tried Gorank? I've been using that for a long time. Why do want that? I heard density is dead.

[Marblemouth]

Check out this keyword density tool. Keyword Density Checker - Keyword Cloud

[Janna122003]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Can you please explain how you can tell if the keywords properly used? Is there a kind of methology or technique? Now I am curious...

It means, used the keywords in a nice way, don't make use of lots of keywords which lessen the importance of your content.

[full house]

are pertaining to keyword stuffing?

[jen.bas]

I've also tried GoRank.. Maybe that could help you..
As for the percentage.. 2-3% per page is okay unless you want to be penalized as overoptimized.. remember, too much is always bad..

[GooglePlex]

I thought keyword density went the way of the dodo after Lycos lost its market share... I might be wrong, however. Please let me know if I am..

[Feydakin]

I'm curious if the people who are tossing out keyword density percentages can also toss out links to actual testing to prove their claims, or if they are simply guessing or repeating a rumor that they read somewhere on the internet..

[GooglePlex]

If you are focusing on optimal keyword density, chances are your website is online to be optimized for search engines, and not for provided an actual service... I say that because proper keyword density will present itself when you are focusing on creating a usable website that serves a purpose... I.E. - If you have a Coconut Juice website that looks to sell and provide information about Coconut Juice, you will achieve a keyword density that fits...
As for your question Feydakin, I don't have any specific tests that show that Keyword Density is irrelevant, I go by what Aaron Wall said in his SEOBook:

Keyword density analyzers end up focusing people on something that is not important. This causes some people to write content that looks like a robot wrote it. That type of content will not inspire people to link to it and will not convert well.
....
Thus, KD is divorced from content quality, semantics and relevancy....
...it is important to know that exact keyword density is not an important or useful measure of quality.

Ok, so he talks about creating useful content that people will want to link to... This is, I guess, what started this "rumor" that KD is useless... Basically, focusing any significant amount of time on creating optimal KD is only a necessity if you site lacks any type of actual content...

It remains to be seen, however, if optimal KD has an effect on rankings... Just as 1000 backlinks from crappy directories can actually have a beneficial effect on rankings and pagerank, altering your KD could possible have that effect.

However, while I agree that I haven't seen actual tests to prove KD's irrelevancy in terms of rankings, I can say for certain that focusing on it instead of writing content and building links is a mistake...

You can think about it like this: If you're site doesn't contain the keywords, it's usually not going to rank.. That is somewhat blatantly obvious.. (However it can rank due to inbound links, a la Google Bombing, so that might show evidence of priority in eyes of google).

If it contains the keywords to a reasonable level (one determined simply by creating content, not by focusing on keyword density) it will rank, presumably.

If this density is altered purposefully to manipulate KD, will this have a beneficial effect?

If you overdo it, will this have a negative effect?

Anyone who has the answers to these questions with some evidence, please come forward and lets get this settled!

[full house]

website are done for users not for search engine.

[GooglePlex]

website are done for users not for search engine.

Ok, if you are creating it for the user, then what does it matter what density of keywords there are in your site... This only has an effect on a computer bot/spider, and not on humans...
I take offense to that post because it belittles my entire commentary, if you are truly creating a website for users then KD has exactly zero impact on your website... if you are however needing to manipulate your pages content to affect KD, then you are focusing on search engines...
I know myself, as a user, does not care whether keywords show up at a 5% density or a 20% density, in my experience this used to be a metric used my search engines, i've heard talk that it no longer carries much weight, let me know if I'm wrong with regard to the search engines using this metric... but I find it hard to believe a 2 percent difference in KD = (No. of Keywords/No. of Words) will have any effect, positive or negative, on an actual human being viewing your site.
I still don't know what that comment was supposed to mean.

[weegillis]

With the new algorithms the major SEs are using, keywords are just a small part of the picture. How many times can a word be repeated without being noticed? Not many. How many times can an IDEA be repeated without being noticed?

The advances being made by SEs in the area of connecting ideas is phenomenal. If your page carries a lot of weight centered around a single topic, or idea, even if every word is different and used only once, it is bound to have that weight translated over to ranking.

I agree that writing to the engines should not be the normal practice... writing to the audience, however, will prove itself time and time again to produce traffic, and suitable placement in the SERPs. KD is just a small part of the overall algo, and as more and more connections are established between ideas, less will be created around keywords, and their importance will be diminished over time.

[OpticBurst.com]

Thanks for the great info..

[GooglePlex]

Originally Posted by weegillis

With the new algorithms the major SEs are using, keywords are just a small part of the picture. How many times can a word be repeated without being noticed? Not many. How many times can an IDEA be repeated without being noticed?

The advances being made by SEs in the area of connecting ideas is phenomenal. If your page carries a lot of weight centered around a single topic, or idea, even if every word is different and used only once, it is bound to have that weight translated over to ranking.

I agree that writing to the engines should not be the normal practice... writing to the audience, however, will prove itself time and time again to produce traffic, and suitable placement in the SERPs. KD is just a small part of the overall algo, and as more and more connections are established between ideas, less will be created around keywords, and their importance will be diminished over time.

This is true, the advancements of Google and others to semantically analyze a webpage (I think semantic is the correct word here, but it may not be) are creating a new era of search, however I believe that this feeling is a bit premature... All you have to do is search for heavily spammed terms and do a backlink check to see that blackhat seo and spammers still rank high in serps... (I.e. "Buy phentermine", a forum comes up on second page, its nothing but a profile page with thousands of spammed links... all the backlinks are other forums with other thousands of spammed comment links, yet it ranks)...
So we should not jump to the conclusion that googlebot is analyzing like a human, however with this fact in place, does the actual measurement of KD have any impact?
I still don't know, but I would only assume it does not... this may be naive however...
Any thoughts?

[weegillis]

Semantics help give meaning to an idea.

[GooglePlex]

I'm still waiting for full house to explain what he meant by that orphaned comment... It's almost painfully obvious that websites are created for users, just like search engines are created for users....
I wish people would talk cohesively and comprehensively about a subject, instead of making asinine comments that serve only to confuse and/or spur disagreements/arguments, and are completely counter productive...
It's my belief that these one line comments with no helpful content are merely placed to get another sig backlink for your spam...

[trackrank]

keep the balance between too much and too less.

But I always consider whether keyword Density Tool is useful.

[full house]

I use gorank to check the density of every pages of my site. . .

[shruchi nagar]

Keyword density is very important term in SEO.you can also check keyword density on this link Keyword Density - SEO Tools - Search Engine Optimization, Google Optimization