Search Engine submissions

[astro]

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion (confirmed in another thread) that submitting sites to search engines is often counter productive.

In the past I did this as a matter of course every 6 months or so, using software to do this for me. In the early days it worked! No longer!!! I suspect it's not worth the time and effort.

I have not submitted any of my sites for over a year yet they still feature on page one slipping up and down a place or two but remain firmly on page one. Even new pages get listed without submitting them. This I was once told was impossible if you did not submit at least every 6 months.

Anyone else got views on this?

/Astro

[mcaronan]

Yep!! You're right dude... If you will built links, it will definitely help search engines detect newly created pages. The only thing why people used search engine submissions is to speed up the process of indexing.

[martty]

There has NEVER been a need to submit a site to search engines since last century! Its a total waste of time, energy and money (if you paid for it). Anyone offering a paid service to submit to search engines should be in jail for fraud.

[meganjenna]

Originally Posted by mcaronan

Yep!! You're right dude... If you will built links, it will definitely help search engines detect newly created pages. The only thing why people used search engine submissions is to speed up the process of indexing.

yes your correct mcaronan

[wige]

Search submissions have never really had an impact on ranking. The submissions were part of the "discovery" process, and for the major engines never had any interaction with the ranking side of the engine. It was simply a way to add a site that the engine did not know about to the list of places to crawl. Once a search engine knew that the site existed, a new submission might trigger a recrawl ahead of schedule, but should not have affected rankings.

Today, however, the spiders are more efficient. Suggesting a site that is already indexed is at best pointless because the engine will see it as duplicate and ignore the submission, or at worst harmful if the spider decides the site has been manually submitted too many times and flags it as possible spam.

[leesw]

Why would you submit them if they are already listed?

[chowell]

Originally Posted by martty

There has NEVER been a need to submit a site to search engines since last century! Its a total waste of time, energy and money (if you paid for it). Anyone offering a paid service to submit to search engines should be in jail for fraud.

This is pretty accurate... if you create a new website and even seed 1 link, you can get indexed pretty quickly. The engines will spider the site after that, so there's no need to submit every page.

For troublesome sites, you could submit a sitemap XML file, but it's still no guarantee - just a roadmap for the engines.

[martty]

Originally Posted by wige

or at worst harmful if the spider decides the site has been manually submitted too many times and flags it as possible spam.

Thats just not true. If it was true we would all be submitting our competitors sites to get them penalized. Ever wonder why we aren't doing that?

[e-dvertising]

agree to "martty" (jail ... fraud) and to "chowell", if you give the spiders/crawler/bits a good starting pint on an well indexed and good ranked site you even don't have to do a single submission to get it into the index.

we often have seen that by putting some lines about new projects on our site and saw results without doing extra submissions.

[craigmn3]

I remember a time oh 6 -7 years ago when submitting early and often did have an impact. I remember a time also when there were more than three and a half search engines.

Now if you are indexed in the big three submissions are unessecary. For new sites, it certainly doesn't hurt to broadcast your site amongst the many small directories and search engines

[flhu]

Part of the discovery they have now must be looking through new domain registrations. I've had google knocking at the door (a "coming soon" page) of sites in development sometimes 5 or 6 times a day. The moment I open the door the spider is running around the site like soon-to-be-brides at that annual wedding dress sale grabbing everything it can get its paws on.

I think the last time I submitted a site was in 2002.

[iandoc]

Originally Posted by martty

Its a total waste of time, energy and money (if you paid for it). Anyone offering a paid service to submit to search engines should be in jail for fraud.

I could not agree more! Let the search engines find the pages naturally through other links.

[chowell]

Originally Posted by flhu

Part of the discovery they have now must be looking through new domain registrations. I've had google knocking at the door (a "coming soon" page) of sites in development sometimes 5 or 6 times a day. The moment I open the door the spider is running around the site like soon-to-be-brides at that annual wedding dress sale grabbing everything it can get its paws on.

I've also seen this happen on new sites that I've purchased (for myself or clients). Some of the domain registrars and scraper systems are quick to pickup and/or list newly registered domains. Once they're listed, the engines eat up the links and presto!

[a53mp]

You do not need to submit your site for it to be spidered.

I created a site called www.hillaryhaslost.net the night Hillary Clinton lost the nomination. A friend linked it on 1 forum, and in less than 6 hours the site was on Google.

[ContactUSA]

I agree with all of You out there. SE will find you so fast, you won't even have time to finish your breakfast after uploading your site.

Amazing that some people still charge to "Submit you to 500 Search Engines."

[Orion]

>>> nod nod nod >>>

We stopped submitting (more than once about 6 years or so ago), we stopped submitting sites period 2 or 3 years ago now and only submit the sitemaps ... I do resubmit (after updating) sitemaps every year or once there's some significant new content or pages that aren't indexed... nothing more on the submission end...

[CKarsting]

The "Quality" search engines will find you. I don't confuse these with quality Directories though, which can benefit you much more the SE submission. No one receives back links from SE, but can definitely get quality back links from reputable directories.

[tombstoneweb]

I stopped using the submit scripts etc.. about 2 years back, and amazingly my sites are still listed. Also, I get a lot less spam from the submit sites selling my email address.

[jenteh]

Do we even need to submit to search engines in the first place?

[Lorel509]

You only need to submit your site to 1 other site that receives decent traffic and the major search engines will pick it up. However, submitting to websites for a "real" link is quite different. Search engines don't count as a link because they are dynamically driven. Submitting to websites is what affects your rank and traffic. Submitting to Search Engines only gets you indexed.

[Orion]

you should submit a sitemap to google, yahoo, msn that will get a new site indexed within a few days usually...

[ron angel]

Originally Posted by ContactUSA

I agree with all of You out there. SE will find you so fast, you won't even have time to finish your breakfast after uploading your site.

Amazing that some people still charge to "Submit you to 500 Search Engines."

You seem to be contradicting yourself all your links seem to be promoting some sort of seo why would anybody need this service?

[onlinetv]

Originally Posted by martty

There has NEVER been a need to submit a site to search engines since last century!

Yikes, a century already? But you are quite correct. Back in the ole days one had to do it, and I do believe there are many search engines that still need this.

It is correct for the big 3. If you are using software there is no need to, nor is it advisable to submit to giigle, msn, or yahoo with software - a simple link from an already searched site is all that is needed.

For the 100's of other search engines, who do pass traffic, the submission software is still working.

[martty]

Originally Posted by jenteh

Do we even need to submit to search engines in the first place?

No........

[martty]

Originally Posted by Orion

you should submit a sitemap to google, yahoo, msn that will get a new site indexed within a few days usually...

Not true. A sitemap will NOT get you indexed unless there are links from other sites.

[ron angel]

Originally Posted by martty

Not true. A sitemap will NOT get you indexed unless there are links from other sites.

OR you have submitted the site with sitemap to google so it knows it exists.

[martindow]

Originally Posted by martty

Not true. A sitemap will NOT get you indexed unless there are links from other sites.

No, but I assume that the xml site map helps Google to quickly find newly added pages.

[martty]

Please show me ONE site that has an xml site map submitted to Google and has NO links from other sites and is indexed in Google.

[seo4china]

Search engine submission is so 1998...

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by martty

Please show me ONE site that has an xml site map submitted to Google and has NO links from other sites and is indexed in Google.

Adding a site to Google - Webmaster Help Center

[Tony_V]

submitting to search engines won't hurt you. if it would, google, yahoo, msn and others would not give you the option to submit to them.
Yes it is true that the major search engines will crawl your site without you having to submit it, "sooner or later", however the benefit to submitting your site to the millions of other search engines that are on the internet that will not crawl your site is in bound links. Not to mention that even though the search engines name is not google or yahoo, they still do have traffic and may very well bring you some, that you would otherwise not get if you were not indexed in them. It's all about the numbers right?

[Tony_V]

if your not submitting your site to the millions of other search engines that are on the internet, trust me, your leaving money on the table. But, of course if you are doing well enough by only being listed in the major search engines, then, good on ya.

[ron angel]

Originally Posted by Tony_V

if your not submitting your site to the millions of other search engines that are on the internet, trust me, your leaving money on the table. But, of course if you are doing well enough by only being listed in the major search engines, then, good on ya.

You are correct in what you say, but you could be slightly biased. its a pity you have closed your free 800,000 search engine promotion & it is now paid for.... (grin)

[Tony_V]

Originally Posted by ron angel

You are correct in what you say, but you could be slightly biased. its a pity you have closed your free 800,000 search engine promotion & it is now paid for.... (grin)

Actually Ron,
Look a little closer, it never was free. I stopped the service so that people in this thread would not think that I am trying to advertise my services to them.... (wink)

[ron angel]

Originally Posted by Tony_V

Actually Ron,
Look a little closer, it never was free. I stopped the service so that people in this thread would not think that I am trying to advertise my services to them.... (wink)

pity that I will miss the 500,000 extra emails offering to enhance my manhood which come free from sites submitted to... as with any web submission I am always happy to pay on a verified tested results basis.

[Tony_V]

I am really not looking for your business Ron, but if you insist on making this about me, I actually take on all the spam that comes in from the submissions as part of the service I provide to my customers who understand the benefits of my services.
To be honest, I don't really make a living with that portion of my business, its just there to trap people into making statements much like yours. I think we should stay on topic though. Good day.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Tony_V

submitting to search engines won't hurt you.

Nor will it get you to rank for anything.

Originally Posted by Tony_V

however the benefit to submitting your site to the millions of other search engines that are on the internet that will not crawl your site is in bound links.

Search engine links do not show up as backlinks nor do they help you rank.

[ron angel]

Originally Posted by Tony_V

I am really not looking for your business Ron, but if you insist on making this about me, I actually take on all the spam that comes in from the submissions as part of the service I provide to my customers who understand the benefits of my services.
To be honest, I don't really make a living with that portion of my business, its just there to trap people into making statements much like yours. I think we should stay on topic though. Good day.

I was not referring to you specificly but in submission services in general, tongue in cheek. sorry that it was misinterpreted I cant see how to remove the post but will if I can as it seems to have upset you.
ron

[Tony_V]

Sorry Ron,
I had a little too much gingko and thought I was being smart. We are good.

[dtalbot]

Here is a question.

I have found that submitting my sitemap to google and yahoo was great. My sites were indexed quickly and soon. Google and Yahoo continue to spider the sites and all is well.

I have submitted some sitemaps to MSN. Has anyone else found that if the msn sitemap is not reguarly submitted to msn that msn stops spidering the site? It seems like this is happening to sites that I do not regularly update sitemaps submissions to msn for.

I haven't tried this but wonder if it would be better to just submit one link initially and let MSN do the rest?

Thanks,
Just wondering if anyone else has seen this.

[grishamist]

Only link building can solve our problem. Search engine submission is only the introduction for the site to be index and afterwards you need to do a lot of keyword linking for search engine crawling.

[digitallabz]

Search engine submission is almost dead. If you have a good quality link building process going on all the pages will get indexed.

<please add your link to your signature CD>

[tmdn2net]

I tried listing my sites on yahoo & google and they were never even indexed not sure where i went wrong.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by tmdn2net

I tried listing my sites on yahoo & google and they were never even indexed not sure where i went wrong.

You post or your signature is not true. So what is the truth?

Who says that your site cannot get indexed? I did not click on your link. Just copied the url and searched with Google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...om&btnG=Search

[tmdn2net]

I wasn't talking about my signature post i was talking about a blog i tried indexing.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by tmdn2net

I wasn't talking about my signature post i was talking about a blog i tried indexing.

Well, then your traffic secrets cannot be better than mine.

[flhu]

Actually, isn't the only thing close to a major search engine you still "need" to submit to is DMOZ?

[janeth]

Originally Posted by flhu

Actually, isn't the only thing close to a major search engine you still "need" to submit to is DMOZ?

I've not heard that name in a long time. I thought they had died.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Well, then your traffic secrets cannot be better than mine.

It's almost tempting to purchase the package to see if there is anything new in it. I’d be very surprised if it had one thing that’s not already available for free around the forums.

[flhu]

Originally Posted by janeth

I've not heard that name in a long time. I thought they had died.

Strangely, no... Agreed, no one actually uses it, but I have seen sites of mine, with their very specific DMOZ description, end up in a lot of little search engines, and have seen those listings in google searches for my domain names, so it has to count for something... one would think.

...but part of that is the caveat I meant to imply with the quotes around "need"