iEntry 10th Anniversary Forum Rules Search
WebProWorld
Register FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read
Search Engine Optimization Forum SEO is much easier with help from peers and experts! The WebProWorld SEO forum is for the discussion and exploration of various search engine optimization topics. Any non (engine) specific SEO or SEM topics should go here.

Share Thread: & Tags

Share Thread:

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 07-13-2008, 11:48 PM
WebProWorld Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 531
watto RepRank 2watto RepRank 2
Default Google Observation

Has anyone else noticed this with their sites?

When I log into my google webmaster tools account, my position jumps up 2 places in the serps for my main phrase. When I log out it goes back down.

Weird!!

Regards

watto
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2008, 03:06 AM
cw1865's Avatar
Moderator
WebProWorld Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Reside in Riverdale, NJ
Posts: 662
cw1865 RepRank 9cw1865 RepRank 9cw1865 RepRank 9cw1865 RepRank 9cw1865 RepRank 9cw1865 RepRank 9cw1865 RepRank 9cw1865 RepRank 9cw1865 RepRank 9cw1865 RepRank 9
Default Re: Google Observation

I'm not seeing the effect, but it sounds like you should just stay logged in?

Maybe being logged in makes google give you results from a different center?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2008, 05:31 AM
WebProWorld Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 531
watto RepRank 2watto RepRank 2
Default Re: Google Observation

Maybe you are right...... It is really weird. Happens every single time. I'll take your advice and stay logged in...

cheers

watto
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2008, 11:02 AM
inertia's Avatar
WebProWorld 1,000+ Club
WebProWorld MVP
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Lancaster, UK
Posts: 1,018
inertia RepRank 6inertia RepRank 6inertia RepRank 6inertia RepRank 6inertia RepRank 6inertia RepRank 6inertia RepRank 6
Default Re: Google Observation

Its a personalisation issue. When you say "log into google webmaster tools" aren't you just logging into your general google account, where they know everything about yooooouuuu?*spooky*
__________________
Latest Blog Post: Google Consultant - Should this Job Title be Allowed? - Matt Inertia's SEO Blog - SEOers.org

"Carpe diem, seize the day boys, make your lives extraordinary"
- Dead Poets Society
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2008, 02:31 PM
incrediblehelp's Avatar
WebProWorld 1,000+ Club
WebProWorld MVP
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Live in Cincy Now
Posts: 7,573
incrediblehelp RepRank 4incrediblehelp RepRank 4incrediblehelp RepRank 4incrediblehelp RepRank 4incrediblehelp RepRank 4
Default Re: Google Observation

Sure Google monitors websites that you visit often in personalized search, so they feel if you like a website because you visit often why not rank it higher.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2008, 02:44 PM
sofomor's Avatar
WebProWorld Pro
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Bombalashto
Posts: 122
sofomor RepRank 1
Default Re: Google Observation

Hey, you may be experiencing this "benefit" due to same session. If you are using IE, start FF or any other and try searching for your keyword.
__________________
When ever I post something ~ Someone gets offended ~ Poor soul
Catalog Solutions | Catalog Rep Agency | Mail Order Catalog Company
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2008, 04:12 PM
craigmn3's Avatar
WebProWorld Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: California
Posts: 335
craigmn3 RepRank 1
Default Re: Google Observation

Yes.
Exactly the same I get all excited going from 3 to 1 and then remember that I am signed in. Makes me grumpy
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2008, 04:47 PM
tbond's Avatar
WebProWorld Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 25
tbond RepRank 0
Default Re: Google Observation

I have seen the same thing for a long time now. I'll explore it and post what I find out.
__________________
IdeaPro Online Marketing - SEO & Web Marketing, since 1996
Anti-Inflammation Level1Diet.com - Diet & Health Research
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2008, 05:46 PM
WebProWorld Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: ibiza
Posts: 386
kevsta RepRank 2kevsta RepRank 2
Default Re: Google Observation

i always search using Joosts unpersonalised search plugins for firefox. anything else is deluding yourself

Google de-Personalized Search for Firefox and IE7 - Yoast - Tweaking Websites
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2008, 07:12 PM
deepsand's Avatar
WebProWorld 1,000+ Club
WebProWorld MVP
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 3,060
deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9
Default Re: Google Observation

All you need do to get un-personalized results is to append &pws=0 to any search query URL.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2008, 10:28 PM
WebProWorld Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 531
watto RepRank 2watto RepRank 2
Default Re: Google Observation

If Google monitors websites that I visit often in personalized search and these sites (being my site) rank higher, then why does it only happen when I am logged into google?

Watto
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2008, 10:53 PM
deepsand's Avatar
WebProWorld 1,000+ Club
WebProWorld MVP
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 3,060
deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9deepsand RepRank 9
Default Re: Google Observation

Quote:
Originally Posted by watto View Post
If Google monitors websites that I visit often in personalized search and these sites (being my site) rank higher, then why does it only happen when I am logged into google?

Watto
Data that is collected while you are logged in can be ascribed to that particular accountholder, regardless of what machine in the world is being used, and can be stored on Google's servers.

Data collected when you are not logged in can, at best, be ascribed only to the particualr IP address being used, along with any data stored in local persistent cookies.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 07-15-2008, 05:23 AM
inertia's Avatar
WebProWorld 1,000+ Club
WebProWorld MVP
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Lancaster, UK
Posts: 1,018
inertia RepRank 6inertia RepRank 6inertia RepRank 6inertia RepRank 6inertia RepRank 6inertia RepRank 6inertia RepRank 6
Default Re: Google Observation

For SEOs like us this may be a pain but for the majority of people personalisation will improve their user experience and probably goes unnoticed.

Many people use google as a navigation bar so this is perfect for them - their favourite sites get priority. If your sites one of their favourites then its all good!
__________________
Latest Blog Post: Google Consultant - Should this Job Title be Allowed? - Matt Inertia's SEO Blog - SEOers.org

"Carpe diem, seize the day boys, make your lives extraordinary"
- Dead Poets Society
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 07-15-2008, 07:50 AM
WebProWorld Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 44
ozzie_jim RepRank 0
Red face Re: Google Observation

I did a search on our key phrase and had dropped from #1 to #3. After panicking for a couple of hours I noticed that I was logged into google. Apparently google thinks I prefer the competitions sites.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 07-15-2008, 08:30 AM
WebProWorld Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Wales UK
Posts: 55
Old Welsh Guy RepRank 2
Default Re: Google Observation

Quote:
Originally Posted by watto View Post
If Google monitors websites that I visit often in personalized search and these sites (being my site) rank higher, then why does it only happen when I am logged into google?

Watto
ERRMM. I think he clue is In the title of the product. 'Google Personalised Search' Google personalise the SERP's for known preferences. The more you use it, the more accurate it becomes In theory.
Example, I like no ADORE rugby union. But there is also rugby league . By my visiting predominantly union sites, Google knows my preference is the union code, not the league code.
__________________
Internet Marketing Consultancy - SEO Agony Uncle - Web Design Wales in browser self edit websites
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 07-15-2008, 08:32 AM
WebProWorld Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 531
watto RepRank 2watto RepRank 2
Default Re: Google Observation

That is strange! My main phrase is very competitive and my ranking continue to fluxuate from position 2 to 6 on a daily basis where I am logged into google or not.

Regards

watto
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 07-15-2008, 08:45 AM
WebProWorld Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Wales UK
Posts: 55
Old Welsh Guy RepRank 2
Default Re: Google Observation

Quote:
Originally Posted by watto View Post
That is strange! My main phrase is very competitive and my ranking continue to fluxuate from position 2 to 6 on a daily basis where I am logged into google or not.

Regards

watto

hi Watto,

lighten up I was teasing you. You stated that when you login, your ranking jumps. We replied that it is down to the peronalised search facility that kicks in when logged into a google account.

Your rankings bouncing around for competitive phrases is a separate issue. that is just down to the normal stuff of viewing different datcentres, where there are different backlinks, caches etc. That is par for the course..
__________________
Internet Marketing Consultancy - SEO Agony Uncle - Web Design Wales in browser self edit websites
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 07-15-2008, 07:22 PM
WebProWorld Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 531
watto RepRank 2watto RepRank 2
Default Re: Google Observation

Yes I do understand that my last post did referr to a separate issue. I was just making an observation of my fluxuations. After reading all of the replies to this thread, I now understand why my position increase when logged into google.

Thanks guys!!!

watto
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 07-17-2008, 02:46 AM
amar's Avatar
WebProWorld Pro
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: India
Posts: 295
amar RepRank 0
Default Re: Google Observation

Google will display the sites which you visit more often in the top listings. You might have checked the option "save my web history" in your Google account.
__________________
SEO Professional India
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 07-17-2008, 05:06 AM
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 18
infrascape RepRank -1
Default Re: Google Observation

I don't think, this is right.
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 07-17-2008, 03:37 PM
WebProWorld Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Blighty
Posts: 76
powsurfer RepRank 1
Default Re: Google Observation

Quote:
Originally Posted by amar View Post
Google will display the sites which you visit more often in the top listings. You might have checked the option "save my web history" in your Google account.
I don't see any difference whether I am logged in or not, as Amar said you may chosen the option for G to save your web history. I have not.
Reply With Quote
Reply

  WebProWorld > Search Engines > Search Engine Optimization Forum

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Google PageRank Observation saulman Google Discussion Forum 5 05-05-2008 06:32 PM
CSS observation google junky Web Programming Discussion Forum 2 01-02-2006 12:11 PM
observation Artyom Google Discussion Forum 8 10-18-2005 07:20 AM
PR Update Observation #1 mlevenhagen Google Discussion Forum 1 04-22-2005 12:22 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:58 AM.



Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.3.0