New tlds arriving '09?

[bj]

All the price tag of $X00,000.00 does is rule out the working class.
To the wealthy 'Elite' of this world that's the price of a hotel room for a few nights.

You're right. And this is another way they'll be looking to turn the web into a morphed version of cable tv, with bud tv and the home shopping network, and ads up the wazoo. This is yet another way to kill innovation and boost the "global economy". One wonders how much backroom dealing went into this decision.

The reason I said big companies would be forced to purchase the names.

Which reinforces the idea that this is a HUGE money grab on ICANN's part.

Another good one. Hotel. (:

That's Janeth, always playing all the angles . . .

When the Anglos set out across the world they took their language and their place names with them... London, Picton, Blenheim, Nelson - you'll find a lot of these same-name places spread across the English speaking post-colonial world, from Australia to Zimbabwe.

Ah yes. Made me remember celebrating Clinton Day when I lived in Clinton NJ USA, a holiday that is celebrated in every town or city named Clinton all over the world. And there are a lot of them. In fact, I believe there is one municipality named Clinton in every one of the lower 48 states.

And yes, it will be interesting to see the arguments that result, but I imagine the largest cities are well financed enough that they'll prevail. Maybe.

Does anyone think that we should be making things simpler, not more complicated? The man on the street doesnt want to have to remember more than .com (or his standard country equivalent).

Though I think this is a disaster waiting to happen, I think this issue of "complication" is less of a problem in this manner than you think. Most people google and click. Then, if they like the destination site, they bookmark. If they forgot to bookmark, they simply google again. And postal addresses are much longer than this and few people have a problem using them.

[janeth]

The more I think about it the more I like it.

Think about owning the .nyc, you would be able to start a directory of all the businesses in NY and sell them a domain name at the same time.

[inertia]

Originally Posted by kgun

It is about

• KW's,
• semantics (meaning)
• relations,
• structure
• thinking outside the box,
• Lateral thinking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)"

Im not talking about all the aspects of online marketing, i am just talking about domain name recognition.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

[inertia]

Originally Posted by bj

Though I think this is a disaster waiting to happen, I think this issue of "complication" is less of a problem in this manner than you think. Most people google and click. Then, if they like the destination site, they bookmark. If they forgot to bookmark, they simply google again. And postal addresses are much longer than this and few people have a problem using them.

Maybe youre right. I suppose my point is that, why do we need them? Havent we got enough TLDs?

[edhan]

Some of my clients receiving offer for different tlds and saying that if they don't take them it will be released to others. Well, I told them just leave it as it is unless they are interested in them.

[kgun]

Originally Posted by inertia

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

LOL

"The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." (Einstein that is simple math).

I am a stupid poor, happy economist with an open mind and "The freedom to learn" (and trying to defend what I regard as good ideas --- last post on that page)

"If you keep your mind sufficiently open, people will throw a lot of rubbish into it".
William A. Orton

[advancedmerchant]

Just sit back, relax, and thank your lucky stars you got in early enough to have your name registered as .com
By the time your kids grow up, they will have to register their URL's under the TLD:
.overflow or .theinternetisfull

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by kgun

"If you keep your mind sufficiently open, people will throw a lot of rubbish into it". - William A. Orton

William Aylott Orton?

[subsystems]

How do the browsers get their list of Authorative Servers for the TLDs? My assumption was that some of the MS updates were root server updates?
So we buy a TLD for our company and we then contact MS to have it added so IE will work as expected? What about the rest of the browsers?

I'm still not clear how TLDs are added to the Root Servers and how the Authorative Servers fit in.

[subsystems]

Maybe at the time of buying the TLDs the TLD registrar would be able to give us a choice. We keep registration of domains under our TLD private. Or We allow the TLD registrar to sell our domains on our behalf.
So say we buy the TLD .earth, we could allow public registration of .earth domains and make a few bucks each per year.

[subsystems]

Anyone think the domains snort.coke or enima.coke should be left to chance?

[subsystems]

Next is the issue of what happens to the domains if the TLD is not renewed? Imagine wiping out a few hundred thousand domains in one shot.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by kgun

There is a link to this BBC NEWS | Technology | 'Shake-up' for internet proposed recent BBC post.

"We are doing this on a cost recovery basis. We've already spent $10m on this," he said.

Makes me wonder why they had to vote on it if they had already spent $10m on it.
Who on earth spends $10m on something they are not sure they will approve...?
They've obviously known what will happen for quite some time now.

It is most probably a money making move to increase the overall value of ICANN given that ICANN will probably be completely Privatized at the conclusion of its current Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the U.S. Department of Commerce (DOC) in 2009.

ICANN was intended to be a test of whether administration of the DNS could be undertaken by a non-profit private sector organization that was fully respectful of private enterprise and property rights and the entrepreneurial spirit that has built the Internet and the dynamic new commercial entities it supports and enables. As noted above, the ICANN Board has voted to further explore the concept of converting ICANN from a non-profit corporation to a Private International Organization.

It is the beginning of a major corporate takeover of the internet.
These guys in this video think they have it figured out...
YouTube - I POWER: Net Neutrality Pt.3

Very thought provoking.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by subsystems

How do the browsers get their list of Authorative Servers for the TLDs? My assumption was that some of the MS updates were root server updates?
So we buy a TLD for our company and we then contact MS to have it added so IE will work as expected? What about the rest of the browsers?

I'm still not clear how TLDs are added to the Root Servers and how the Authorative Servers fit in.

Browsers don't need such a list; your local machine queries the Primary, & Secondary if need be, DN Sever specified by your local communications settings. For Windows, these could be stored in several places, depending on your ISP & method of connectivity.

For example, at the moment I am using a machine connected to the net via Verizon DSL. Within Local Area Connection Properties, the Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) Property re. DNS is set to Obtain DNS server address automatically; my DSL modem is set to use Verizon's preferred Primary & Secondary DN Servers.

If I wished, I could change the Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) Property re. DNS to Use the following DNS server addresses, and manually type them in.

In either case, those are the DN Server Addresses that my browser will use.

Regarding the relationship between Root servers, Zone servers, Authoritative servers, etal., begin at Domain Name System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

It is the beginning of a major corporate takeover of the internet.
These guys in this video think they have it figured out...
YouTube - I POWER: Net Neutrality Pt.3

Very thought provoking.

No problem; we'll all just go back to using dial-up BBs! FidoNet, here we come.

[DaveSawers]

Originally Posted by inertia

Does anyone think that we should be making things simpler, not more complicated? The man on the street doesnt want to have to remember more than .com (or his standard country equivalent).

I don't think you are thinking internationally here. Part of the issue is to allow arabic, russian and other character sets. .com to them is as meaningless as it is to most American users.

[deepsand]

That, though, is quite a different matter, one which is presently open for public comment.

[Peter (IMC)]

Originally Posted by DaveSawers

I don't think you are thinking internationally here. Part of the issue is to allow arabic, russian and other character sets. .com to them is as meaningless as it is to most American users.

Very good point!

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

Very good point!

Did you miss the post directly above yours? These are two different issues, the one under discussion having been settled by ICANN, with the other simply being open for public comment.

[chrisJumbo]

Some have assumed that if I buy .chriscd then I own that and only I can register URLs for that domain.

Others have said that isn't the case. Why would someone spend $50,000 to $100,000 if they don't own the rights to the TLD?

Will the purchaser of the TLD own the rights to all sites under it or not?

I don't want to spend $50,000 and then have GoDaddy start selling URLs for $2.99 and not be compensated.

[Peter (IMC)]

Originally Posted by deepsand

Did you miss the post directly above yours? These are two different issues, the one under discussion having been settled by ICANN, with the other simply being open for public comment.

Perhaps, but it's still a very good point, international issues are often not understood and ignored. That's pretty normal to happen, nobody can be aware of all points of view. But I always like it when somebody shows awareness of that there is actually such a thing as a different point of view.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by chrisJumbo

Some have assumed that if I buy .chriscd then I own that and only I can register URLs for that domain.

Others have said that isn't the case. Why would someone spend $50,000 to $100,000 if they don't own the rights to the TLD?

Will the purchaser of the TLD own the rights to all sites under it or not?

I don't want to spend $50,000 and then have GoDaddy start selling URLs for $2.99 and not be compensated.

Per articles at ICANN to vote on new Internet domain names | Tech news blog - CNET News.com and ICANN adopts new Web site naming rules | Tech news blog - CNET News.com , one will still be buying Domain Names alone, not an entire TLD, under the condition that " ICANN plans to give companies with trademarked names priority for their names."

It's really too early to say how this new ruling will be implemented.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

Perhaps, but it's still a very good point, international issues are often not understood and ignored. That's pretty normal to happen, nobody can be aware of all points of view. But I always like it when somebody shows awareness of that there is actually such a thing as a different point of view.

Agreed.

I simply felt it important that no one here mistakenly believe that that issue had also been ruled on by ICANN along with or as part of the proposal re. TLDs.