How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site?

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

No?

Why not?

Because DesignsOnline said it wouldn't:

Originally Posted by DesignsOnline

I research it and discovered that provided they were pointed at a static IP address then Google and other search engines would not consider them to be duplicate content and it wouldnt matter how many domains he pointed at his website

[SemAdvance]

Originally Posted by DesignsOnline

Ive sent an email twice now to Google asking for help at abuse@google.com ive not recieved a reply!
How do I go about requesting the reinclusion request, and is there any point if the other domains are still pointing at his website, and other websites are still showing his unique text content?

First would be to stop posting here, and put your case together in a document.

You seem to have all the research done. Make it clear concise no need to write a novella.

Keep that handy!

Next take these steps. You need to have a Google Account and then make use of Google Webmaster Tools

To request reconsideration of your site:

1. First, make sure you've added your site to your Webmaster Tools account, and verified site ownership.

After that is done;

2. Sign in to Google Webmaster Tools.

3. On the Dashboard, under Tools in the list on the right, click Request reconsideration and follow the steps.

Now this will all take some time for Google to sort out. Once ownership is verified the other sites should fall out or be devalued.

You will need to wait for crawls of all the sits involved, and daily updates, which in turn will likely extend to a full IBL / PR update. (3 to 4 months) from when you get this all done in Google.

Nothing gets sorted with Google quickly, but by following the steps above and mixing in some patience you should get straightened out before the Christmas Holiday 2008!!!!!

Peace!

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by kgun

Did you use page search (CTRL + F) + KW on that page?

Why do you not have PM available. Noted that you was 48 years some days ago.

"Happy Birthday" to you, even if it is too late.

The link you provided does not go deep enough into your 19 pages; that's why I gave him the link kbleivik's bookmarks on del.icio.us , which adds the "?setcount=100" parameter, and advised him to then directly search for "fooling."

Guess he missed that.

[kgun]

Originally Posted by deepsand

The link you provided does not go deep enough into your 19 pages; that's why I gave him the link kbleivik's bookmarks on del.icio.us , which adds the "?setcount=100" parameter, and advised him to then directly search for "fooling."

Guess he missed that.

Ok.

I have only 2 pages on my account.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

Because DesignsOnline said it wouldn't:

You misunderstand.

alans airport cars - Google Search shows "Alan's Airport Cars" indexed under "alomair.net" as a result of the improper DNS records.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

You misunderstand.

alans airport cars - Google Search shows "Alan's Airport Cars" indexed under "alomair.net" as a result of the improper DNS records.

Stop arguing... or I'll nickname you 'quicksand'...

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by kgun

Ok.

I have only 2 pages on my account.

When I use the link you provided, I get

All kbleivik's items (189)

« earlier | later » page 1 of 19

» showing 10, 25, 50, 100 items per page

The item you referred to is, at 10 items/pg., the 8th item on pg. 2. As you add new items, it will be pushed further down the stack.

[SEO]

DesignsOnline: If I was you I would do the following...

Get your webhost to change the IP address.

I would be scrapping that website altogether... alansairportcars.co.uk is dead.

I would be pointing one ( 1 and only 1 ) of his 5 other domain names to a fresh website - not necessarily a new design, but freshen up the content so that it is no longer duplicate (Alan could do that in about a 1/2hour).

Submit the domain to digg.com,

Get Alan to write an article about some of the problems with traffic in London (or something), register an account with Isnare.com and pay $2 to have the article mass distributed.

In the about the author box make sure you place a short description about Alan's business with a keyword targeted text link pointed back to Alan's new website.


Do this and you will EASILY outrank any of the others.

Alan's Airport Cars - chauffeur driven luxury Southend, Rayleigh - Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted still has pagerank... use that or one of the others (or a new one)

Problem solvered...

[kgun]

Originally Posted by SEO

Stop arguing... or I'll nickname you 'quicksand'...

And stop filling WPW's server with nonsense, please. David is not here now. If I were a moderator here, you would not have been a member longer.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

Stop arguing... or I'll nickname you 'quicksand'...

No argument; just a simple statement of fact.

When I'm stating an opinion, such will be obvious.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by kgun

And stop filling WPW's server with nonsense, please. David is not here now. If I were a moderator here, you would not have been a member longer.

I was trying to let deepsand know in a jovial manner that I am sick of arguing with him (obviously this isn't the place for a joke).

The reason I pulled him up on it is because even when I am not making a statement of my own but am merely quoting somebody else's words he tells me I am wrong...

Go back and have a look... Just about every single post that I have made here he has told me that I am wrong.

To tell you the truth... I am a fairly new member to this forum... but I have found the place overall to be unfriendly and argumentative ever since I got here (although there are certainly some pleasant and knowledgeable people here too).

It is great to have a point of view or a certain knowledge in a particular area and wanting to share and express those things with others, but I do not understand the need to have to put other people down every time they open their mouth.

[deepsand]

"Points of view" are the bane of rationalism; "points of view" here means no more than "opinions."

This thread, which is solely about empirical facts, has been trampled by "points of view."

Those who hold otherwise would be wise to read the supplicant's points of view in this regard, at
How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site?
and
How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site? .

[AVC]

So what is your opinion Deepsand ??

That Alan had nothing to do with this situation and that some Black Hat SEO is responsible for registering all these domains and "hosting them on his server".

Give us the verdict DeepSand, please, we have all been waiting for the real deal to come to light, and use small words us little folk can understand if you would.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by AVC

So what is your opinion Deepsand ??

That Alan had nothing to do with this situation and that some Black Hat SEO is responsible for registering all these domains and "hosting them on his server".

Give us the verdict DeepSand, please, we have all been waiting for the real deal to come to light, and use small words us little folk can understand if you would.

Guess you missed How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site? .

Добрый ночи

[AVC]

Still trolling and trying to win one for the Gipper DeepSand ?

Having a hard time answering questions so you post your step and repeat crap over and over ??

I'm shocked

[SEO]

Originally Posted by DesignsOnline

I spoke to Network Solutions and asked that they sort out the domains and they said that they couldnt, as the domains although initially registered through them were not under their control, but were hosted elsewhere. They said that they were controlled by who ever owns or runs the dns servers NS1.MYDNSSERVER.COM

I can only find 2 hosts that may be running the dns servers NS1.MYDNSSERVER.COM

1 is Managed Hosting, Colocation and Data Center Services by Hosting.com - The First Name in Hosting they have a local office for you to contact.
Tel: United Kingdom: 0-808-234-1251

2 is Discount Website Hosting Services by Halfprice Hosting (both appear to be the same company) which is mentioned quite often in the whois records.

[SEO]

I guess the disconcerting thing for me about this whole scenario is that we were given an example of 2 domains being pointed at another domain as being fairly strong evidence that others can (and purportedly in this case did) get you banned:
How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site?

We were asked what could be done about it...

A little investigation (to help the poster with his problem) revealed that the not only were these two (mysterious) domains pointing to the site in question but the domain owner himself had done the exact same thing, pointing at least 5 other domains to the website in question.

Further investigation revealed that all of the domains in question all have the same IP address (Also called an Internet address. The unique address for each computer on the Internet. All computers across the internet are assigned a unique identifier called an IP address).

Many of the domains however have different Domain Name Servers (A server computer holding one of the DNS databases through which friendly names are matched to the corresponding IP addresses that computers use in contacting one another on the Internet.)

My initial reaction was to look at the identical IP address' for each domain as evidence that they were all hosted on the same server since an IP address is a unique address for each computer on the Internet).

Others say that the DNS Name Servers are different between the owners 6 domain names and the other dozen or so pointing at his site, therefore the domains are completely unrelated as far as hosting and servers are concerned.


My understanding is that "same IP address = same computer"...

Am I wrong...?

[ctabuk]

Now David is back - and David says this.

Deepsand and AVC how many miles do you guys live apart in the USA?

Why not phone each other and see if there is anything that you two guys agree on.

Because this childish banter is not doing either of your reputations any good.

[Clint1]

Originally Posted by kgun

Did you use page search (CTRL + F) + KW on that page?

Yes, but that URL is http:// del.icio.us/kbleivik?setcount=100 (I put a space in it so you could see the URL), "setcount=100" can't be the search query. So KW or keyword or fooling isn't on that page. Someone suggested searching for (some word, I forget now what it was), but I still didn't find it. But if Fooling Search Engine very smartly is the page in question, then that's what's important, and I guess it doesn't matter now.

Why do you not have PM available.

Because of all the PM p0rn spam I was getting attacked with. There was a thread on that some time back, it was happening to a lot of people here. I got so fed up with the notifications that I had to disable it.

Noted that you was 48 years some days ago.
"Happy Birthday" to you, even if it is too late.

Thank you.

[AVC]

Originally Posted by deepsand

There are no "fake" sites; only Domain Names improperly pointing to the legitimate site.

Please tell us which sites are real and which one's are hosted on his server but should not be DeepSand ???

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by Clint1

Yes, but that URL is http:// del.icio.us/kbleivik?setcount=100 (I put a space in it so you could see the URL), "setcount=100" can't be the search query. So KW or keyword or fooling isn't on that page. Someone suggested searching for (some word, I forget now what it was), but I still didn't find it.

The URL kgun provided yields a page with a default of 10 items/page. As, at time of last looking, the entry in question was the 18th item, it was then on the 2nd page.

The link that I gave you, with "?setcount=100" appended, set the display to 100 items/page, thus allowing "fooling" to be immediately found without having to scroll to another page.

Only 48? You're still a youngster! Enjoy.

[AVC]

Can you guys take your private PM's to PM and talk about KGun's site over there or simply start your own forum to talk about KGun's multitude of links.

[SEO]

For some reason my question was just passed straight over:

Originally Posted by SEO

I guess the disconcerting thing for me about this whole scenario is that we were given an example of 2 domains being pointed at another domain as being fairly strong evidence that others can (and purportedly in this case did) get you banned:
How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site?

We were asked what could be done about it...

A little investigation (to help the poster with his problem) revealed that the not only were these two (mysterious) domains pointing to the site in question but the domain owner himself had done the exact same thing, pointing at least 5 other domains to the website in question.

Further investigation revealed that all of the domains in question all have the same IP address (Also called an Internet address. The unique address for each computer on the Internet. All computers across the internet are assigned a unique identifier called an IP address).

Many of the domains however have different Domain Name Servers (A server computer holding one of the DNS databases through which friendly names are matched to the corresponding IP addresses that computers use in contacting one another on the Internet.)

My initial reaction was to look at the identical IP address' for each domain as evidence that they were all hosted on the same server since an IP address is a unique address for each computer on the Internet).

Others say that the DNS Name Servers are different between the owners 6 domain names and the other dozen or so pointing at his site, therefore the domains are completely unrelated as far as hosting and servers are concerned.


My understanding is that "same IP address = same computer"...

Am I wrong...?

Deepsand:

You must have an answer for me. You seem to be the most knowledgeable about these things.


My understanding is that "same IP address = same computer" (or network router)...

Am I wrong...?

(This is a genuine question - not trying to be argumentative)



Let me put it this way:

If the RIAA is suing you and says they have your IP address... Are you screwed...?

[AVC]

He has no answer, I'm still waiting for him to answer how the 3 fake sites are hosted on the same server, most hosts make the account holder split up the hosting account to reflect any domains added, but some folks here are avoidance specialists in the name of "winning the debate, the un-winnable debate" that one day will be won if you just keep posting nonsense and topic diverting crap.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

For some reason my question was just passed straight over:




Deepsand:

You must have an answer for me. You seem to be the most knowledgeable about these things.


My understanding is that "same IP address = same computer" (or network router)...

Am I wrong...?

(This is a genuine question - not trying to be argumentative)



Let me put it this way:

If the RIAA is suing you and says they have your IP address... Are you screwed...?

Not ignoring you; just no time for "play" until now.

Yes, you are correct in that an IP Address identifies a unique networked electronic device, such as a computer or router; that Address, is not embedded in that device itself, but merely assigned to it, much in the way that a telco assigns a telephone no. to your physical phone. While far from complete, a reasonably good start for understanding IP Devices & Addresses would be IP address - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

And, as we here see, when the directories which cross reference Names with Addresses get fouled up, havoc reins. Continuing with the telco analogy, imagine that the telco published a directory which contains a number of Names of individuals who do not reside with you, but which, in that directory, bear your telephone number. Anyone trying to reach those people will, assuming that your no. is in service, be able to succeed in completing their call, but will reach you instead. That is precisely what has happened here.

Now, were the parties who own those Domain Names which mistakenly point to Alan's IP Address to actually try to use such, they would find that 1) there is already a site at that Address, and 2) they could not access it to upload their own content. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that such Domain Names were to have been parked; i.e., the Registrant owns the Names, so that no one else can use such, but they have no immediate intent to actually establish their own sites. Obviously, if they had tried to establish their own sites, they would already have discovered and reported the problem.

There are two possible causes for this situation; one accidental, the other deliberate. In the first instance, in its simplest form, would be that the Responsible Party, i.e. that party who is responsible from maintaining the Primary Name Server's DNS records is either accidentally using Alan's IP Address as that for parked Domain Names, or has accidentally assigned Alan the IP Address that was being used for parked Domain Names.

In the second instance, it may be that the Host or Responsible Party is seeking to conserve IP Addresses, which, for IPv4, have become a scarce commodity for some, and is/has been using live Addresses for parked Domain Names, believing that, so long as the owners of such Names do not seek to activate their DNs, no harm is done. In this case, should the owner of a parked DN at some time chose to activate their hosting account, the Host will have to then assign them their own unique IP Address. (I am here ignoring "virtual hosting" or "name-based hosting," commonly referred to as "IP sharing," as clearly such is not here employed, for, if it were, browsing to the here various DNs would not result in all leading to Alan's site.)

As for the RIAA, as well as Law Enforcement in general, coming in possession of an IP Address, you may very well say the the owner of that device is "screwed." In fact, under current Federal Law, merely accessing a hyper-link which points to a page bearing child pornography carries with it the presumption that there was intent to download such, and holds the owner of the "offending" IP Address criminally liable! Given that any number of applications, browsers, browser add-ons, etc., pre-load pages pointed to by the page currently loaded, so as to speed access to such pages should the user wish to have them rendered, it is quite possible to "access" an "illegal" link without even knowing it! For a recent case involving this, see FBI posts fake hyperlinks to snare child porn suspects | The Iconoclast - politics, law, and technology - CNET News.com .

[AVC]

So that is how the fake sites are hosted by the same host that hosts all of Alan's 8 duplicate content domains then ?

Thanks Deepsand !!

[SEO]

A Very well constructed and commonsensical answer... Thank you.

Originally Posted by deepsand

There are two possible causes for this situation; one accidental, the other deliberate. In the first instance, in its simplest form, would be that the Responsible Party, i.e. that party who is responsible from maintaining the Primary Name Server's DNS records is either accidentally using Alan's IP Address as that for parked Domain Names, or has accidentally assigned Alan the IP Address that was being used for parked Domain Names.

In the second instance, it may be that the Host or Responsible Party is seeking to conserve IP Addresses, which, for IPv4, have become a scarce commodity for some, and is/has been using live Addresses for parked Domain Names, believing that, so long as the owners of such Names do not seek to activate their DNs, no harm is done. In this case, should the owner of a parked DN at some time chose to activate their hosting account, the Host will have to then assign them their own unique IP Address. (I am here ignoring "virtual hosting" or "name-based hosting," commonly referred to as "IP sharing," as clearly such is not here employed, for, if it were, browsing to the here various DNs would not result in all leading to Alan's site.)

So if I am reading this correctly... you believe that it is neither a case of a competitor nor the client trying to influence the search engines, but that the Primary Name Server or Host is responsible (either through error or conservation due to limited resources)?

If this is the case then at least we agree that a 'dirty underhanded competitor' pointing numerous domains at the site is not the reason for the site being banned by Google.

[AVC]

NO, it does not explain anything, a domain has to be assigned to a server by the hosting company and this can only be done even on a shared account by the person who purchased the hosting account, the only other way to forward traffic is a redirect, but these domains (so called fake websites) are hosted by the same IP as Alan's sites, so someone had to add them to the hosting account.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by AVC

NO, it does not explain anything, a domain has to be assigned to a server by the hosting company and this can only be done even on a shared account by the person who purchased the hosting account.

I agree with you 100%... If anything, you and I are on the same side of this debate (so to speak).
However there is 1 thing that doesn't compute (pardon the pun)...

I did not say that deepsand's post explained the situation... It doesn't.
However it is a possibility...

There are still too many variables here for any party to be able to say "I am right & you are wrong".
How is it possible for a host to control a domain if the DNS doesn't direct (or associate) the domain with that host...?

If the domain name servers all pointed to the client's host then it would be a clear cut case.

It is the Domain name servers that stop us from being able to close this.

In my opinion... everything else points to all 26 of the domains being hosted on the same server BUT... the name servers.

1: Is it possible for a host to control a domain if the DNS record doesn't direct (or associate) the domain with that host...?
2: Is it possible for a Primary Name Server's DNS records to accidentally use Alan's IP Address...?


While these 2 questions are unanswered neither side is more correct than the other.

[SEO]

What I wanted to know was...

Can the 2 sides agree that it was not a local competitor that has done this...???
The original question for this thread was... "How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site?"

[AVC]

When I point a DNS at a domain, my host has to authorize it in their records before it will become a site on their server, other than that only a redirect of a domain to a URL will get the job done.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

A Very well constructed and commonsensical answer... Thank you.

So if I am reading this correctly... you believe that it is neither a case of a competitor nor the client trying to influence the search engines, but that the Primary Name Server or Host is responsible (either through error or conservation due to limited resources)?

If this is the case then at least we agree that a 'dirty underhanded competitor' pointing numerous domains at the site is not the reason for the site being banned by Google.

That would seem to be the most likely.

Having multiple Domains Names, all pointing to a single site, is commonplace and non-problematic. For proof of such, notice my signature here; it bears 3 URLs, for 3 different Domain Names, all owned by a client of mine. Of these 3, 1 is in actual use, while the other 2 point to it. A Google search for each,
hounddogtours.com - Google Search , pennstateticketman.com - Google Search and happyvalleytickets.com - Google Search , all yield, as the 1st result, a listing for the live DN only.

As for Alan's problem being by design, such would require the collusion of a great number of parties. Firstly, each of the Registrants would have to alter their account settings with their Registrar to point to Alan's Primary Name Server as being their host. Secondly, the Responsible Party for that Name Server would need to deliberately alter all of the DNS records for such DNs on the Primary Name Server to point to a single IP Address, one equal to that of Alan's. Clearly completely all of these individual tasks is no mean feat.

And, by way of the WHOIS records, we note, for example, that alomair.net was registered on 06JUL1999 & last updated 22JUN2006, well before Alan either registered alansairportcars.co.uk, on 21OCT2006, or when, in 2007, he pointed both ****cars.co.uk & ****taxis.co.uk to the same IP Address. To believe that someone began orchestrating this at least 7 years before Alan began using his current stable of DNs, and then somehow maneuvered him into using a specific Host, one that had already been primed to assign him an IP Address that had already been collectively assigned to the earlier "dummy" DNs, is to stretch credibility well beyond the point of breaking.

[deepsand]

Consistently overlooked here is the matter of parked Domain Names; such have no site. Parked DNs can, at the Registrant's choice, be forwarded to another DN, point to the host's generic parking page, point to a custom parking page, etc., depending of the options offered by that host. Parked DNs incorrectly pointing to the IP Address of a live site is a reasonable and straight forward explanation for what is here observed.

[AVC]

No it is not Deepsand, because the IP of record for the domain would then show of that of the registrar if it was a redirect, not the web host.

[deepsand]

Parked DNs incorrectly pointing to the IP Address of a live site ... .

[AVC]

Those fake site domains could have been running other stuff prior to the mirrored content and could have been purchased for prior PR and backlink value.

Face it Deepsand, this is a scam and it is busted, not any Blackhats trying to damage this guy.

So, some idiots stole a few lines of his content and put it on their sites, but Alan has a long story to tell here also.

We can move on now Deepsand.

[deepsand]

From the "Wayback Machine" :

AL-HOBAYB.NET

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

AL-HOBAYB.ORG

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

AL-OMAIR.NET

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

AL-OMAIR.ORG

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

ALHABASH.NET

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

ALOMAIR.NET

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

ALOMAIR.ORG

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

FILITHEYO.COM

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

[deepsand]

More from the "Wayback Machine" "

ALEXI-INTERNATIONAL.COM

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

ALTEREDFLESHTATTOO.NET

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

BRACELETSONLINE.NET

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

COHANNETHILL.NET

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

COHANNETHILL.ORG

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

FASCAE.COM

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

NONPROFITCITY.NET

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

NONPROFITCITY.ORG

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

NOVELTYSONGS.COM

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://NOVELTYSONGS.COM

THERAPYPOOLDESIGN.COM

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

TRUTHANDKNOWLEDGE.COM

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

WOLFENWICCA.COM

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

WORK4YOUR.ORG

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

WORLD4GOOD.ORG

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

[deepsand]

Now, compare the above with Alan's DNs :

alansairporttaxis.co.uk

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

alansairportcars.co.uk

Internet Archive Wayback Machine

Note that :

1) Activity on the former overlaps the time period which the above 20 some odd DNs show different content;

2) The latter picks up where the former leaves off; and,

3) No commonality appears until 10JAN2007, when filitheyo.com alone shows up with Alan's content.

[z28com]

There must be some kind of tool that exists which will show you every URL linking back and then go one at a time and check of the domain is in Google's index. That's one good way of finding the banned URL's.

My problem is that I cannot find any such tool either on-line or by a program that you install on your computer.

When checking the domain on MSN, we see over 10,000 backlinks. It would take an incredible amount of man hours to go through all of those pages manually to cut and paste the domain names showing up and paste them into Google one at a time to see if the domain is banned.

There must be some kind of script out there that will spider the MSN results one page at a time and feed the domains into Google and then export all of the results into a report. From there we would like to do a WHOIS on all of the banned domains and try to find something common between all of the bad domains.

I feel like I am chasing a ghost here and the client is giving this a #1 priority over anything else I am doing.

So far this has looked good:
Webmasters tool (SEO) : Host and IP Addresses Backlinks Checker

I just wish it went a step further and would let me pick the source of where to get the linkbacks and then add the part about checking each URL to see if it's in Google's index or not.

If I cannot get a rock solid solution to this issue, I will be losing the client.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by z28com

There must be some kind of tool that exists which will show you every URL linking back and then go one at a time and check of the domain is in Google's index. That's one good way of finding the banned URL's.

My problem is that I cannot find any such tool either on-line or by a program that you install on your computer.

When checking the domain on MSN, we see over 10,000 backlinks. It would take an incredible amount of man hours to go through all of those pages manually to cut and paste the domain names showing up and paste them into Google one at a time to see if the domain is banned.

There must be some kind of script out there that will spider the MSN results one page at a time and feed the domains into Google and then export all of the results into a report. From there we would like to do a WHOIS on all of the banned domains and try to find something common between all of the bad domains.

I feel like I am chasing a ghost here and the client is giving this a #1 priority over anything else I am doing.

So far this has looked good:
Webmasters tool (SEO) : Host and IP Addresses Backlinks Checker

I just wish it went a step further and would let me pick the source of where to get the linkbacks and then add the part about checking each URL to see if it's in Google's index or not.

If I cannot get a rock solid solution to this issue, I will be losing the client.

Hi z28com,

I gave you a link for a tool that would help you out back on the first page of this thread,

Originally Posted by SEO

SEO Elite Software | Search Engine Optimization | Link Popularity | Web Promotion | Link Exchange Search Tool (Not an affiliate link).

NOTE: You would still have to check manually which ones are banned by Google.

Not only can you choose which search engines to check but you can also choose to show only one result from each domain or even only one result from each IP address.

You can then click on the links from within the software to check the sites or export the results in html or excel format.

Just having a banned site or sites linking to you will not get you banned by Google though.

[Terry Van Horne]

Originally Posted by SEO

Just having a banned site or sites linking to you will not get you banned by Google though.

Agreed the worst that happens is you loose a little juice but... enough of that action might make it appear to be penalized. If you aren't responsible for what caused the problem then... F 'em their expectations are too high and they'd be doin' ya a favor if they walk!

[z28com]

Originally Posted by SEO

Hi z28com,

I gave you a link for a tool that would help you out back on the first page of this thread,

Thanks for the link, but it did not help at all.

These sites are not getting us banned out of the index. Instead they are SERIOUSLY getting us dropped in rankings. There are thousands of sites out there.

Here are some example URL's that I am talking about. Bots are creating these sites and making mixing our links in with Casino, Viagra, Slots, Gambling and other bad neighborhood sites. The thing is that there are thousands of pages like this, not just a handful.

http://www.luakabop.com/king_chango/...chive_282.html
Guest Book
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And there's plenty more.

On Yahoo we discovered about 106,000 sites like this with the client's URL involved in it. It's just the same as if you used a blog spamming tool and in one month put tens of thousands of one-way links. Google knows that these links were artificially put to your site and penalizes you accordingly. The thing is, we're not the ones throwing our URL out there. The competitor is cranking out these link farms and including our URL to knock us down in the ranks.

Many of these sites are in other countries where a court order will not get them removed.

I wish Google would add the options in the Webmaster tool section where you could put in all of these URL's so that they would not count against you... almost to simulate you going to these sites to manually edit the link to the point of putting in a rel='nofollow' command for the negative link juice.

[AVC]

z28com, what is your relationship with DesignsOnline, are you guys partners, brothers, associates working for this same client ??

What do all these spam bots linking to your sites have to do with the "3 so called fake sites" hosted on Alan's server ??

How did those sites get on Alan's server and hosting account ?

This entire thing just keeps getting more fishy as we dig into it.

[z28com]

Originally Posted by AVC

z28com, what is your relationship with DesignsOnline, are you guys partners, brothers, associates working for this same client ??

What do all these spam bots linking to your sites have to do with the "3 so called fake sites" hosted on Alan's server ??

How did those sites get on Alan's server and hosting account ?

This entire thing just keeps getting more fishy as we dig into it.

I have nothing to do with them. I started this thread as trying to find a tool to find all of the banned site or bad neighborhoods linking to us so we could try to deal with all of the sites one by one, legally. When you have thousands or tens of thousands of sites, there's no way this can be done manually. We need something automatic and a way we can group all of the WHOIS information into some kind of database.

[Terry Van Horne]

Originally Posted by AVC

z28com, what is your relationship with DesignsOnline, are you guys partners, brothers, associates working for this same client ??

What do all these spam bots linking to your sites have to do with the "3 so called fake sites" hosted on Alan's server ??

How did those sites get on Alan's server and hosting account ?

This entire thing just keeps getting more fishy as we dig into it.

AVC, I see what you are saying but do these multiple sites link to each other? The reason I ask is it isnt a big deal to have multiple sites, it's a big deal to cross link them, but, just having a live site with similar or exact content doesn't mean it is not following the guideline.

IMO, It would make the competitors scheme easier to perpetrate. A busy G engineer gets a lead from an SEO in the rat program... the engineer takes a high level look and says... spam! The only way you know who actually listed what where is if you are prescient and AFAIK even Google hasn't found a reliable one of those guys. That has been my concern on this issue from the first day and why I called Google out on it on the blog! I wanted someone from Google to say... yeah.. paid links from a site can hurt you, which could be pushed to include links from any site since pandoras box has been opened!

A high level look can make a small oversight seem real fishy... or paid links look like spam... even if you didn't buy them.

if he didn't do the submissions to bad neighborhoods and didn't cross link the controlled domains, it looks bad when it isn't. The engineer has assumed guilt by association. I know you can own multiple domains with dupes. I do it, I have done it for years 301ing them is IMO, overdoing things. With the amount of clicks from direct input it is wise to have several variations. Nothing says you have to 301 them or do anything. It's safer if you do but... SEs figure it out. Cross linking the domains will cause problems and rightfully so. Having them live with duplicate content... IMO, not so much now... 3 years ago I would say much more of a problem because that technique has waned and been replaced by the "3 site Monty" (you link to me and I'll link to you from a 3rd making them all one way) an SEO variation on an old card scam. That's what the industry has become... carny tricks, only the feeble minded fall for.

[AVC]

z28com, I understand now, Designs came in and posted his problem on your thread seeking help, thanks for clearing it up.

As far as referral bots and log spammers linking to your sites, there are all kinds of tricks hackers and professional spammers use today, not much you can do about these guys beside banning their IP's.

You seem to be worried about Black Hat guys dumping or pointing links on your sites to get you banned, I really don't think there is much you can do about it, the only thing you can do is report them to Google as negative SEO and let it be, if these guys are using a bot it is like a referral log spammer, you are fighting a machine, at least you can ban a referral log spammer though.

[Terry Van Horne]

Originally Posted by AVC

NO, it does not explain anything, a domain has to be assigned to a server by the hosting company and this can only be done even on a shared account by the person who purchased the hosting account, the only other way to forward traffic is a redirect, but these domains (so called fake websites) are hosted by the same IP as Alan's sites, so someone had to add them to the hosting account.

Nope, disagree it assumes the bad guys don't have their own domain server. For instance as part of a project I'm currently working on I had to set up a canadian domain for an American company. So I register the .ca for the business point it at my DNS which I point at their IP ummm... sound familiar?

so much of what is here and been assumed to be misinformation could be true ie: Onlinedesigns was possibly not lying about the domains ownership. All it requires is a domain server (i have a few). From the start the offending domain names do not seem to have the smae MO as the client who seemed to prefer using keywords. The offending domains DNS server looked much fishier to me then the multiples his client was on and it's odd how clients often forget they've done stupid things like registering multiple domains (think tainted link profile?).

I may be wrong but I do think this is pretty easy to set up. Not that I would I was more curious about how hard it was to do. The final test would be to try doing it through another "unknown DNS" and registrar and use the correct owners info from the other domains whois records. To some degree it helps I'm a reseller for a domain registrar. IMO, you could likely spoof the client info as well ie: make it look like the onlinedesigns client registered the domains. IMO the registrars don't/won't see past the $'s.

[edhan]

Originally Posted by Terry Van Horne

so much of what is here and been assumed to be misinformation could be true ie: Onlinedesigns was possibly not lying about the domains ownership. All it requires is a domain server (i have a few). From the start the offending domain names do not seem to have the smae MO as the client who seemed to prefer using keywords. The offending domains DNS server looked much fishier to me then the multiples his client was on and it's odd how clients often forget they've done stupid things like registering multiple domains (think tainted link profile?).

I may be wrong but I do think this is pretty easy to set up. Not that I would I was more curious about how hard it was to do. The final test would be to try doing it through another "unknown DNS" and registrar and use the correct owners info from the other domains whois records. To some degree it helps I'm a reseller for a domain registrar. IMO, you could likely spoof the client info as well ie: make it look like the onlinedesigns client registered the domains. IMO the registrars don't/won't see past the $'s.

This doesn't sound good if that can be done. Only to know that is the person clarifies this matter.

[AVC]

Terry, read this post again: webproworld.com/381215-post281.html

The web host has to add the domain to the hosting account and the customer has to give them the instructions to do so, that involves logging in with passwords to the hosting account at my hosting company and giving the host authorization so they can split the shared hosting account up and add the domain.

Other than that, you can't host a new domain, at least with the multiple domain hosting packages I know of.