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Old 06-13-2008, 12:47 AM
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What is the concern then Deepsand, how the domains point to the "one website" ?
How did the DNS Name Servers for those DNs not owned by the client come to bear his site's IP Address?
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And you are still trying to prove beyond doubt that you are correct when you are wrong and will continue to "try to win one for the Gipper" against all sound logic !!!

How many times do I have to tell you the same thing Deepsand ?

This entire thing was orchestrated by the rental car company as an SEO scam and search engine spamming.

You disprove this fact.

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Old 06-13-2008, 12:53 AM
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And you are still trying to prove beyond doubt that you are correct when you are wrong and will continue to "try to win one for the Gipper" against all sound logic !!!

How many times do I have to tell you the same thing Deepsand ?

This entire thing was orchestrated by the rental car company as an SEO scam and search engine spamming.

You disprove this fact.
To repeat, that is your claim - not a fact - to prove, not another's to disprove.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:55 AM
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Do you really want more proof and still believe that this rental car company owner had nothing to do with all these domains and duplicate sites ??

Have you determined if all these domains rank for the same term in Google yet ?
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:58 AM
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Don't you think that if he was really that worried about the spamming that he would stop spamming the search engines with his own 6 websites rather than worry about the other 3...?
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:59 AM
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Do you really want more proof and still believe that this rental car company owner had nothing to do with all these domains and duplicate sites ??

Have you determined if all these domains rank for the same term in Google yet ?
Already proven - his multiple DNs are a single site.

Already proven - Other parties have one or more sites with identical or near identical content.

Now, answer the question at How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site? that you requested, rather than evading the issue.
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:00 AM
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Don't worry, the other 3 are his too, no one would put up that crap as Negative SEO !!!
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:01 AM
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I did give a brief answer to this previously:

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I can tell you exactly how you know... because it has happened to me... twice!

Your site gets banned by Google.

There is no other motive for negative SEO.

This isn't a case of "negative SEO" (which sound's like a bit of an enigma anyway).

There is NO SEO involved in this case...

This is simply a case of somebody pointing a lot of domains at 1 website.



There are a number of way's to check for so called "negative seo".

What type of "negative SEO" are you referring to exactly...?
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:03 AM
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Don't you think that if he was really that worried about the spamming that he would stop spamming the search engines with his own 6 websites rather than worry about the other 3...?
Owning multiple DNs which lead to a single site is an old and legitimate practice, and is not spamming.

Your continuing to conflate Domain Names with Sites has become inexcusable.
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:03 AM
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Don't worry, the other 3 are his too, no one would put up that crap as Negative SEO !!!
Proof needed.
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:06 AM
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Here you go DeepSand, look at this search and tell me how many of this guys domains come up !!!

Executive Cars chauffeur driven UK - Google Search

Those are the main keywords on his page.
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:07 AM
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I did give a brief answer to this previously:




This isn't a case of "negative SEO" (which sound's like a bit of an enigma anyway).

There is NO SEO involved in this case...

This is simply a case of somebody pointing a lot of domains at 1 website.
This actually a case of one party legitimately pointing multiple DNs to his single site while other parties' DNs do, for reason(s) not yet determined, also point to his site.
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:08 AM
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This actually a case of one party legitimately pointing multiple DNs to his single site while other parties' DNs do, for reason(s) not yet determined, also point to his site.
Yep... Really makes sense doesn't it...
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:09 AM
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Here you go DeepSand, look at this search and tell me how many of this guys domains come up !!!

Executive Cars chauffeur driven UK - Google Search

Those are the main keywords on his page.
Nonsubstantive response - evasive and misdirecting.

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Old 06-13-2008, 01:11 AM
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Right, bow out before you get smashed, you are the one evading DeepSand.

Look at this now:

http://www.alansairportcars.co.uk/index.html - Google Search
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:12 AM
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Yep... Really makes sense doesn't it...
As you obviously have no intent to answer the question set forth at How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site? , but are content to cling to your unsubstantiated preconception, I an done with you.

You and AVC may now stroke each others egos.
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:13 AM
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Main domain is de-indexed and rightfully so DeepSand.

site:alansairportcars.co.uk - Google Search

You lose man.
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:23 AM
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As you obviously have no intent to answer the question set forth at http://www.webproworld.com/search-engine-optimization-forum/69980-how-do-you-know-if-competitor-using-negative-search-engine-optimization-against-your-site-5.html#post380886 , but are content to cling to your unsubstantiated preconception, I an done with you.

You and AVC may now stroke each others egos.

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There are a number of way's to check for so called "negative seo".

What type of "negative SEO" are you referring to exactly...?

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Old 06-13-2008, 01:30 AM
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Deepsand, this has nothing to do with Negative SEO, so don't keep going there, this is SCAM-E-O, even the so called sites this guy does not own all point to his de-indexed main page.

alomair.org

Click on the link on the bottom left and the home page link on this "hackers" site !
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Old 06-13-2008, 04:03 AM
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How would it be if WPW bought you all a playpen?
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Old 06-13-2008, 04:07 AM
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How would it be if WPW bought you all a playpen?
And...

We need a playpen for...

wanting to get to the bottom of a matter...?
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Old 06-13-2008, 05:33 AM
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The sad truth is that if 1/4 of the time being spent in this thread was spent on the site it would already be ranking.
Janeth there I have to disagree. This has been one of the better WPW threads, that at least has learned me something. But posts like the one cited below takes time to read. If 1 million people over the years read such posts, many hours of work could have been saved for better use if it was not written.

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Deepsand will keep trying to win the debate even if he buries himself.
Stop filling WPW's servers with nonsense please. It takes time to read.

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Old 06-13-2008, 06:26 AM
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Try doing this test:
YouGetSignal.com - Find Other Web Sites Hosted on a Web Server

IP: 216.26.144.193 To find other domains hosted on the same web server.
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Wrong place to look.

Check WHOIS for each of the Domain Names in question.
That is the best and most reliable source I know of. Another good site to check a domain is DNSstuff: On-demand DNS and network tools to analyze, diagnose and monitor a domain or IP address

If you want to become a DNS and IP expert, you may join their forum.

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That tool on yougetsignal.com the reverse ip domain check tool doesnt seem to be very accurate, also it says:

A reverse IP domain check takes a domain name or IP address pointing to a web server and searches for other sites known to be hosted on that same web server. Data is gathered from search engine results, which are not guaranteed to be complete. Knowing the other web sites hosted on a web server is important from both an SEO and web filtering perspective, particularly for those on shared web hosting plans.
That is what that tool does. A fast lookup to see some of the sites hosted on the same IP address.

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And...

We need a playpen for...

wanting to get to the bottom of a matter...?
Certain people in this thread keep making 'Alert Calls' which we unpaid mods have to look at.

'Mommy, he threw sand at me' Debate by all means - but not like toddlers.
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Old 06-13-2008, 07:16 AM
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Such may seem trivial, but as they are distinctions with important differences, care must be given to employ proper terminology so as to order to avoid confusion and/or mis-understanding.
Completely agree. Today in another WPW thread, for the first time I saw the term OOP used for

Over optimized page Directory Submissions - Good or Bad?

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I would do it the good old manual way.

Your homepage GPR may have dropped due to inbound links from spam sites or simply because of a fresh iteration of the GPR algorithm.

It also depends what you are trying to rank for, and whether you lit up the OOP (Over-Optimization Penalty)


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DNs that do not belong to that client, but whose DNS records point to his site, are.
Yes, that is one big problem. I have mentioned that on my own site DigitalStart.net: The starting point for English speaking surfers and webmasters months ago and now this WPW thread is mentioned there too.

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Main domain is de-indexed and rightfully so DeepSand.

site:alansairportcars.co.uk - Google Search

You lose man.
Again it is important to know what exactly happened before we draw any conclusion.
  1. What happened?
  2. The site is down. Does that mean that
  3. the site was removed and a request sent to Google to remove it from their index?

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Here is exactly what happened Kgun, this guy scammed by pointing all these domains at his site and got DE-INDEXED !!!!

I know how you and DeepSand always want to use conclusive scientific evidence to prove every little crack in the wood was caused by either Sunlight or Water, making the simple so complex that normal folks are baffled, but this is really very simple.

Google uses Whois records as part of the algo's to rank sites, they know this guy registered many domains and that this is a duplicate content issue that was engineered to search engine spam.

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Old 06-13-2008, 11:29 AM
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AVC may I ask you a question please, why do you have such a touchy and aggressive attitude towards this?
I don’t understand why you are so desperate to cry or try and prove foul play on the part of the website owner.

He hasn’t done anything wrong, he has legitimately bought several related domain names, and so as to avoid spamming the search engines and paid extra for a static dedicated IP address on his hosting account and pointed his own related domain names at his own website. All ok so far? Nothing underhanded or remotely SEO about this.

He took the time to write his own original text for his website and uploaded that, good practice as often advocated on here and many other websites including Google’s own.

About 6 months (ish) later, at least 2 other people stole the text from his website and placed it on their own websites, then because they have duplicated their websites The Targe chauffeurs one have a separate .co.uk website to the .com website (I know I have been speaking with them over the last couple of days, or at least I spoke with the guy who did their SEO as advertised on the bottom of their website) I also spoke to the other company who refused to admit he had stolen the content and said if it went to court he would just say we stole it from him, (despite the evidence provided via wayback machine that it appeared on his website 6 months after first appearing on Alans website.)

Now Alans who is busily trying to run a company with his wife and has little money to spend on website services and even less time, realised that he had vanished from the search engines and asked me to look in to it. During the course of the investigation these other non related domains were discovered, when questioned about them, Alan was surprised and stated he had never heard of them before (why would he lie to me, and why would he bother to register them in someone else’s name, and from a random address and contact number abroad?)

I have been doing this investigating for him on an unpaid basis to try and help him out as he is a genuinely nice man and I feel very sorry for him in this situation. He has had a petty minded local competitor give him a very hard time for the past couple of years, and if anyone is responsible for doing this I would have suspected it was linked to him somehow.

There is no campaign to spam the search engines in fact as has been pointed out on this thread several times already there is no SEO done for this website at all! HE cant afford it at the moment.

Please I came here asking for help and advice in understanding what was going on and how I could restore him to his original position in the search engines, if you are not interested in offering that then I totally understand, but please dont waste the time of those who have been kind enough to try and help as this is counter productive and unnecessary. If your motive is right and you are simply concerned with people tying to manipulate the SERPS then please be assured that in this instance you couldnt be further from the truth, there has been no optimisation or techniques of any kind used at all. Just an honest man trying to earn an honest living through his familly run business, and using a small simple website that was all he could afford.
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Why is his main domain de-indexed, why did he register all the other domains and point them at his site, did he do this himself ??

Ask Alan to answer the questions as to why all this happened, you posted this on the forum, expect scrutiny of this man's tactics.

Are the "so called" black hat SEO sites with stolen content linking to Alan's homepage, why is that ?
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Why is his main domain de-indexed, why did he register all the other domains and point them at his site, did he do this himself ??

Ask Alan to answer the questions as to why all this happened, you posted this on the forum, expect scrutiny of this man's tactics.

Are the "so called" black hat SEO sites with stolen content linking to Alan's homepage, why is that ?
Why is his main domain de-indexed? I dont know that is what I am trying to get to the bottom of, but I suspect partly because others have stolen his original text content and then optimised their own website to the hilt so that it is chosen over Alans website, thus rendering his a duplicate of the copy despite being the original. That would be part of it I suspect.

Secondly there are other domains which do not belong to Alan, and are nothing to do with him that have appeared in the search engines index which have been pointed to the ip address of Alans website. Who has done this and why, these are the questions I am currently researching. I have heard of domains that are banned for life or severely penalised, so if such exist and could be pointed at the dedicate ip address of a competitor you would pass on the problems of the domain to the website you point the banned domain at. This is one possibility I am investigating.

Thirdly what right do I, you , or anyone else have to demand from Alan a reason as to why he has decided to buy domains related to his company name and business. It is not a bad practice, I know it was not done with any bad motives or intentions and I will certainly not be interigating the man, it is not my place to question him in this manner or demand that he explain himself to anyone.

I helped Alan open a UKreg account and explained how to buy domains and point them to his domain a long time ago, he bought the dedicated IP address at my suggestion, as after he started to buy domains and point them at his website I was concerned he would get in to trouble for duplicate content. So I research it and discovered that provided they were pointed at a static IP address then Google and other search engines would not consider them to be duplicate content and it wouldnt matter how many domains he pointed at his website, as they would only be interested in that fact that it was the one website which they would know by virtue of the fact that the domains resolved to a single dedicated static ip address.

Just to explain to you as you must have some how missed it; there are random domains (how many I do not know, someone earlier on the thread suggested 26 of them) pointing at Alans Ip address. Somehow Alans own domain has been replaced in the search engines by one or two of these other domains, the main one and the first one I spotted is "filitheyo.com"

The websites that have stolen content are not the domains pointing to Alans site, those domains do not have any content they are simply set up by someone to point at Alans website for some reason, the duplicate content website were found by others on this thread and are goodege and Targe chauffeurs, and possible one or 2 others also. The Goodege website has been highly optimised and has presumably paid for loads of links to his website. The result of this appears to be that although Alans website is the original website that the text was first used on, the webites that have stolen the text are ranked much higher and this appears to have resulted in Alans website being treated as the one that has duplicated the content!

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So all these "other car rental agencies" stole Alan's content, put up websites and decided to optimize the sites and point the traffic at Alan's now de-indexed main domain.

That is a novel concept indeed.

filitheyo.com is the stolen content site that points all traffic at Alan's site, but is not owned by Alan, right ??

Can you post the URL's of "these other websites" and all the domains not owned by Alan please ??

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Go to kbleivik's bookmarks on del.icio.us (looks like kgun's link, but has an added parameter), and search for "fooling."

Or, go straight to Fooling Search Engine very smartly .
I searched for "fooling" and didn't find anything related to SE's, but I assume the WPW URL is the same thing. ? Thanks.
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Here is the domain whois data on the URL you mention.

filitheyo.com - WhoisX Domain Whois - powered by Phurix
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Well as you asked so nicely.....

Here are three of the domains that im aware of which have been pointed to alans website which are not his:

al-hobayb.org
alomair.org
filitheyo.com


The one I am most concerned about is: filitheyo.com as this is the domain that has replaced alansairportcars.co.uk in the serps, although alomair.org has also replaced a couple of his pages too.

The websites which were listed earlier in this thread as having "scrapped" the text from Alans website are:

Goodege Chauffeur Service | Chauffeur Hire UK | Airport Transfer | Corporate | Executive
Goodege Chauffeur Driven People Carrier | Chauffeur Hire UK | Airport Transfer |
GOODEGE Wedding Car Hire | Chauffeur driven wedding car | Rolls Royce rental | Chauffeur Driven Cars
Exclusive Travel Services - Chauffeur Service
The Times Creme Executive Secretary & PA Event, 13 - 15 May 2008
Luxury Chauffeur Services In Edinburgh by Targe Chauffeurs


Internet Archive Wayback Machine - Shows that Alans original text was added in Dec 2006

Internet Archive Wayback Machine Goodege Added the text in July 2007
Exclusive Travel Services - Chauffeur Service exclusive-chauffeur.co.uk are not even listed in wayback yet, too new!
Internet Archive Wayback Machine Targe website was first built in July 2007, but only as a 1 page site, the newer pages withthe stolen content dont even appear in wayback machine yet, they are too new!

Does that help at all?
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At this point Alan needs a copyright attorney if in fact these folks stole his original content, he needs to file a lawsuit against those that indeed stole his content for damages.

Those sites and domains he claims he does not own that mirror his site and point all traffic to him seem mighty shady at this point, if in fact you feel that his competition employed Black Hat tactics to knock him out this is also a case for the lawyer to prove in court.

Whois data on the other non-owned domains:

alomair.org - WhoisX Domain Whois - powered by Phurix

al-hobayb.org - WhoisX Domain Whois - powered by Phurix

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alansairportcars.co.uk - WhoisX Domain Whois - powered by Phurix

216.26.144.193 - WhoisX Domain Whois - powered by Phurix

Above is IP data of Alan's main site.


Why are the fake sites hosted by Alan's host if he does not own them and why are they are on the same host and IP ?

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Im on the phone to Network Solutions at the moment, they say that the domains:

al-hobayb.org
alomair.org
are ownd by someone called
Dr L al-omair Saleh

and his email address is dr.fouad@barakat.de

and his phone number is +1 497 213 575

and Filitheyo.com is owned by:

Ali shiyam
email: majdy@aaa.com.mv
Phone number : 960 316 131

They say that they are just the registrar used and have no control over the domains but all the domains are hosted with the comany that use the name servers:
NS1.MYDNSSERVER.COM and NS2.MYDNSSERVER.COM
This is a totally different company to the one Alan is hosted with, he is hosted with EDT hosting (Edthosting.com also called Empire Data Technologies)

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Why do the fake sites use the same IP as Alan's site ?

Click on the live link (IP) on this page and you will see Alan's host come up as the host on all the fake sites.

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"Why do the fake sites use the same IP as Alan's site ?"
Thats right AVC , that is one of the questions we are trying to answer....

Alan paid for a static IP address from Empire Data Tech (edthosting.com)
Edthosting provided him with an ip address for his hosting account.

Alan set up his own legitimate domains and added them to his own hosting account, using his own dedicated ip address.

Later someone else (or now possibly more than one person if the information supplied by Network Solutions is correct) registered some domains through Network Solutions and then decided to point their domains to Alans personal IP address using their own DNS software or option supplied through the company hosting their domains (MYDNSSERVER.COM)

Now either this was a mistake and the system they are using at MYDNSSERVER.COM has provided the same IP address as the one that Alan paid for through EDT Hosting, or else someone is doing this out of malice.
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Alan's main site is de-indexed for a reason, ask the host why they are not blocking these other domains if they are not Alan's and make Google aware of it by a re-inclusion request.
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Alan's main site is de-indexed for a reason, ask the host why they are not blocking these other domains if they are not Alan's and make Google aware of it by a re-inclusion request.
Ive sent an email twice now to Google asking for help at abuse@google.com ive not recieved a reply!
How do I go about requesting the reinclusion request, and is there any point if the other domains are still pointing at his website, and other websites are still showing his unique text content?
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First you need to get hold of his host and block those "so called sites that he does not control", second read about re-inclusion requests.
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There are no "fake" sites; only Domain Names improperly pointing to the legitimate site.
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As I thought there is no point in requesting the reinclusion until I can get the outside domains removed and get the duplicate text issues resolved...

See here:
"The person who will look at your reinclusion request doesn’t care if you have a business relationship with Google. Remember, we need to know 1) that the spam has been corrected or removed and 2) that it isn’t going to happen again"
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As I thought there is no point in requesting the reinclusion until I can get the outside domains removed and get the duplicate text issues resolved...

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I'd suggest going for re-inclusion immediately upon getting Network Solutions' DNS Name Servers squared away. The issue here isn't "spam," but bad DNS records.

Do you have a Google Webmaster account? If so, have you submitted a Site Map for the Domain Name that actually contains the site's files?
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I'd suggest going for re-inclusion immediately upon getting Network Solutions' DNS Name Servers squared away. The issue here isn't "spam," but bad DNS records.

Do you have a Google Webmaster account? If so, have you submitted a Site Map for the Domain Name that actually contains the site's files?
Hi Deepsand, nice to hear from you again, you seem to have understood what was going on from the start.
I spoke to Network Solutions and asked that they sort out the domains and they said that they couldnt, as the domains although initially registered through them were not under their control, but were hosted elsewhere. They said that they were controlled by who ever owns or runs the dns servers NS1.MYDNSSERVER.COM

But they couldnt tell me who that was. So im not really much closer to being able to do anything about it.
I do have a google account, but I havent yet set up the site map for that domain, would that make much difference?
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im currently on the phone to WSM Domains - Domain Management System Domain Name Transfers $9.99 includes Whois Contact Privacy Free forwarding with Meta Tags includes FULL Zone Management of SPF, Cname, MX, A records with a TTL of 3 min who say that all the domains are somehow pointed at their DNS servers but they are not hosted by them!

This is costing me a fortune in phone calls to America..... I might need to ask Alan to pay for the calls.
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Hi Deepsand, nice to hear from you again, you seem to have understood what was going on from the start.
I spoke to Network Solutions and asked that they sort out the domains and they said that they couldnt, as the domains although initially registered through them were not under their control, but were hosted elsewhere. They said that they were controlled by who ever owns or runs the dns servers NS1.MYDNSSERVER.COM

But they couldnt tell me who that was. So im not really much closer to being able to do anything about it.
I do have a google account, but I havent yet set up the site map for that domain, would that make much difference?
The DNS Authority (SOA) Records for the 3 DNs in question are similar, but not identical; there are 2 different Primary Name Servers involved, both with the same Responsible party.

1) al-hobayb.org. SOA

primary ns ns3.halfpricehosting.com
responsible dave@halfpricehosting.com
serial 2007071301
refresh 10800
retry 3600
expire 691200

2) alomair.org. SOA

primary ns ns3.halfpricehosting.com
responsible dave@halfpricehosting.com
serial 2007071301
refresh 10800
retry 3600
expire 691200

3) filitheyo.com. SOA

primary ns ns1.mydnsserver.com
responsible dave@halfpricehosting.com
serial 2007071301
refresh 10800
retry 3600
expire 691200

The Responsible Party for all 3 is Discount Website Hosting Services by Halfprice Hosting

Half Price Hosting
P.O. Box 22789
Louisville, KY 40252
502-214-4100
domreg@halfpricehosting.com
osting.com

Half Price Hosting is a division of Express Technologies, Inc.

See Express Technologies, Inc. .

Note the physical proximity to your host:

Empire Data Technologies, Inc.
9900 Corporate Campus Dr.
Suite 3000
Louisville, KY 40223.

Also note that Empire's block of IP Addresses is a sub-set of that assigned to Peak 10, Inc.; Peak 10 Data Center Solutions :: Web Hosting, Web Site Hosting, Managed Hosting, Dedicated Hosting, Disaster Recovery, Custom Hosting, Colocation, Raleigh NC, Charlotte NC, Tampa FL, Jacksonville FL

Given the no. of entities involved, it may be that, in the course of IP Addresses being transferred or assigned from one to another someone screwed up. While I have found a RFC describing the record keeping requirements for such assignments/re-assignments, I've yet to find any online source for such records.

In any event, it seems that the root of your problem lies with one of the parties in Louisville, KY, possibly your own host!

As for a site map, while it's no silver bullet, having such can serve to help grease the skids.

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im currently on the phone to WSM Domains - Domain Management System Domain Name Transfers $9.99 includes Whois Contact Privacy Free forwarding with Meta Tags includes FULL Zone Management of SPF, Cname, MX, A records with a TTL of 3 min who say that all the domains are somehow pointed at their DNS servers but they are not hosted by them!

This is costing me a fortune in phone calls to America..... I might need to ask Alan to pay for the calls.

You probably should ask them about these ones while you're at it...

A reverse domain IP check tells us that they are all hosted on the same server with the same IP address:

216.26.144.193 - IP hosts 25 Total Domains ...
Showing 1 - 25 out of 25

Domain Name
1 AL-HOBAYB.NET.
2 AL-HOBAYB.ORG.
3 AL-OMAIR.NET.
4 AL-OMAIR.ORG.
5 ALANSAIRPORTTAXIS.COM.
6 ALEXI-INTERNATIONAL.COM.
7 ALHABASH.NET.
8 ALOMAIR.NET.
9 ALOMAIR.ORG.
10 ALTEREDFLESHTATTOO.NET.
11 BRACELETSONLINE.NET.
12 COHANNETHILL.NET.
13 COHANNETHILL.ORG.
14 FASCAE.COM.
15 FILITHEYO.COM.
16 HOCKLEYTAXIS.COM.
17 NONPROFITCITY.NET.
18 NONPROFITCITY.ORG.
19 NOVELTYSONGS.COM.
20 ROCHFORDTAXIS.COM.
21 THERAPYPOOLDESIGN.COM.
22 TRUTHANDKNOWLEDGE.COM.
23 WOLFENWICCA.COM.
24 WORK4YOUR.ORG.
25 WORLD4GOOD.ORG.
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Also...

If this is the case...

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I helped Alan open a UKreg account and explained how to buy domains and point them to his domain a long time ago, he bought the dedicated IP address at my suggestion, as after he started to buy domains and point them at his website I was concerned he would get in to trouble for duplicate content. So I research it and discovered that provided they were pointed at a static IP address then Google and other search engines would not consider them to be duplicate content and it wouldnt matter how many domains he pointed at his website, as they would only be interested in that fact that it was the one website which they would know by virtue of the fact that the domains resolved to a single dedicated static ip address.

Then the other websites pointing at the IP address isn't the problem at all...
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Why not?
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I searched for "fooling" and didn't find anything related to SE's, but I assume the WPW URL is the same thing. ? Thanks.
Did you use page search (CTRL + F) + KW on that page?

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