How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site?

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by AVC

Tell Alan to come here and tell his story, also inform him of his major blunder of putting the same content on many different domains.

Is it not presumptuous to tell other people what to do without at least 1st having all the facts and a full understanding of them?

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

Does this mean that you've dropped your claim that this is a shared IP Address?

What are you talking about...???

Read his statement below... It is a shared IP address...

Originally Posted by DesignsOnline

he also bought a static dedicated IP address and set up A records so that his related domains point to the ip address of his website.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

What are you talking about...???

Read his statement below... It is a shared IP address...

You claimed that there were multiple & identical sites sharing that IP Address; the OP has said otherwise.

[AVC]

Originally Posted by deepsand

Is it not presumptuous to tell other people what to do without at least 1st having all the facts and a full understanding of them?

Deepsand, does it make sense to you to ask the source so we can get at the truth here or do you want to keep spinning theories about what actually is going on ??

Do you really think we have a situation where the owner of this content only put up one domain and has nothing to do with all these duplicate content sites ??

I don't, the business owner is using this as a strategy to dominate the SERP's and does not understand duplicate content penalties or that he is search engine spamming.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

You claimed that there were multiple & identical sites sharing that IP Address; the OP has said otherwise.

You were right that they were not multiple & identical sites sharing that IP Address

We were told that somebody ELSE was doing it.... The only way that somebody else could have done it in the manner that it was done was by hosting (a copy of) the site themselves. The different colored links was my cache remembering the previous sites cookies.

They were obviously all separate domains sharing the same IP information with NO evidence of redirect or cloaking

That's why I originally sad that it was an "inside job"

Obviously it is easy if you control all of the domains and the IP address...

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by AVC

Deepsand, does it make sense to you to ask the source so we can get at the truth here or do you want to keep spinning theories about what actually is going on ??

Do you really think we have a situation where the owner of this content only put up one domain and has nothing to do with all these duplicate content sites ??

I don't, the business owner is using this as a strategy to dominate the SERP's and does not understand duplicate content penalties or that he is search engine spamming.

Read both the OP's own words, along with other facts presented:

1) There is a single site.

2) The OP's client has multiple Domain Names, which lead to said single site.

3) Those Domain Names registered with Network Solutions, and whose DNS Name Servers point to the OP's client site do not belong to said client.

There are no duplicate content sites.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

Read both the OP's own words, along with other facts presented:

1) There is a single site.

2) The OP's client has multiple Domain Names, which lead to said single site.

3) Those Domain Names registered with Network Solutions, and whose DNS Name Servers point to the OP's client site do not belong to said client.

There are no duplicate content sites.

They Obviously Do belong to his client....

Originally Posted by SEO

The whois record for hockleytaxis.com tells us that "Alansairporttaxis" owns about 5 other domains

(hockleytaxis.com) owns:
alansairportcars.co.uk
alansairporttaxis.co.uk
And at least 3 others...

All set up in an extraordinarily similar manner to:
al-hobayb.org
alomair.org
filitheyo.com

All with the same IP Address: 216.26.144.193

And there are possibly others that we haven't been told about...

It was hard enough getting to the truth about the first 3.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

You were right that they were not multiple & identical sites sharing that IP Address

We were told that somebody ELSE was doing it.... The only way that somebody else could have done it in the manner that it was done was by hosting (a copy of) the site themselves. The different colored links was my cache remembering the previous sites cookies.

They were obviously all separate domains sharing the same IP information with NO evidence of redirect or cloaking

Precisely as I have maintained.

Originally Posted by SEO

That's why I originally sad that it was an "inside job"

Obviously it is easy if you control all of the domains and the IP address...

However, there is as of yet no evidence that the OP's client controls those Domains registered with Network Solutions. Neither can we deduce that such control exists.

In fact, given the nature of the multiple names registered by the client, and that all of those other names bear no meaningful relationship to those claimed by the client, it seems improbable that he controls such.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

They Obviously Do belong to his client....

And there are possibly others that we haven't been told about...

It was hard enough getting to the truth about the first 3.

Getting to the truth about the 1st 3 was very easily done without any input from the OP; one need only know what to look for and where. That the OP made no mention of such owes to the fact that such are legitimate and therefore of no concern.

As for
al-hobayb.org
alomair.org
filitheyo.com ,

what proof is there that these are owned or controlled by the OP's client?

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

Getting to the truth about the 1st 3 was very easily done without any input from the OP; one need only know what to look for and where. That the OP made no mention of such owes to the fact that such are legitimate and therefore of no concern.

As for
al-hobayb.org
alomair.org
filitheyo.com ,

what proof is there that these are owned or controlled by the OP's client?

Try doing this test:
YouGetSignal.com - Find Other Web Sites Hosted on a Web Server

IP: 216.26.144.193 To find other domains hosted on the same web server.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

Try doing this test:
YouGetSignal.com - Find Other Web Sites Hosted on a Web Server

IP: 216.26.144.193 To find other domains hosted on the same web server.

Wrong place to look.

Check WHOIS for each of the Domain Names in question.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

Wrong place to look.

Check WHOIS for each of the Domain Names in question.

You don't ever stop arguing do you...

[DesignsOnline]

Hi Deepsand,
no I havent managed to contact Network Solutions yet as I cant find any contact details or even a website for them yet. Ive looked them up on google but searching for "Network Solutions" brings up so many different companies that I dont know who to contact.

If anyone could provide the correct details that would be very helpful.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

You don't ever stop arguing do you...

On page 1 of this discussion, at How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site? and How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site? are the WHOIS data for filitheyo.com & alomair.net

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by DesignsOnline

Hi Deepsand,
no I havent managed to contact Network Solutions yet as I cant find any contact details or even a website for them yet. Ive looked them up on google but searching for "Network Solutions" brings up so many different companies that I dont know who to contact.

If anyone could provide the correct details that would be very helpful.

Domain Names, Domain Name Registration and Web Hosting | Network Solutions

[AVC]

Deepsand will keep trying to win the debate even if he buries himself.

You prove that this content owner is not putting up duplicate sites Deepsand, we are waiting for that proof.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by AVC

Deepsand will keep trying to win the debate even if he buries himself.

You prove that this content owner is not putting up duplicate sites Deepsand, we are waiting for that proof.

That's your claim, and therefore your's to prove. Good luck; the facts say otherwise.

BTW, SEO has allowed that these are not duplicate sites.

[SEO]

Whoop...!!!

Here's 2 More...

Alan's Airport Cars - chauffeur driven luxury Southend, Rayleigh - Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted

Alan's Airport Cars - chauffeur driven luxury Southend, Rayleigh - Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted

[AVC]

Originally Posted by deepsand

That's your claim, and therefore your's to prove. Good luck; the facts say otherwise.

BTW, SEO has allowed that these are not duplicate[/b] sites.

Use your brain and read my post, this guy did this as an SEO strategy, no one else benefits from advertising this site other than the guy renting the cars.

If they all show the exact same content, how do you figure that they are not duplicate sites DeepSand ??

Please explain this, I wait for your explanation of this.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

Whoop...!!!

Here's 2 More...

Alan's Airport Cars - chauffeur driven luxury Southend, Rayleigh - Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted

Alan's Airport Cars - chauffeur driven luxury Southend, Rayleigh - Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted

And, therefore, what?

Did you compare the WHOIS data for the NS registered sites with that of the client?

[DesignsOnline]

That tool on yougetsignal.com the reverse ip domain check tool doesnt seem to be very accurate, also it says:

A reverse IP domain check takes a domain name or IP address pointing to a web server and searches for other sites known to be hosted on that same web server. Data is gathered from search engine results, which are not guaranteed to be complete. Knowing the other web sites hosted on a web server is important from both an SEO and web filtering perspective, particularly for those on shared web hosting plans.

So does this mean then that what it actually does is find all domains that are known to be associated with the ip address that the domain name resolves to? because if so then all it is doing is telling us something that we already know that the nameserver records for those domains are all pointing to Alans static IP address.

Also you get different results depending on which domain you do a search on, you reminded me of those 2 other domains that he had registered ages ago when he was thinking of setting up another company called Uk Number 1 Chauffeurs, he registered the domains :

uknumber1chauffeurs.co.uk + .com

and pointed them to his site for the time being, that project never took off and I just checked the domains and they too are pointing at his website, but again they are related and registered through UKreg as are all his domains, and are registered in his name.

But a search using his ip address doesnt bring up that domain that we know is pointing to his ip address, so how many others that are not his that havent been discovered yet could also be pointing at his ip address?

I also tested looking up the ip address of the server for his hosting account on EDT, 216.26.144.21 if the theory is correct then it should show all the domains of all the websites hosted on that server, it simply showed ftp16.edthosting.com so it doesnt seem to do what people are expecting it does.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

And, therefore, what?

Did you compare the WHOIS data for the NS registered sites with that of the client?

Yes I did... Have You?

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by AVC

Use your brain and read my post, this guy did this as an SEO strategy, no one else benefits from advertising this site other than the guy renting the cars.

If they all show the exact same content, how do you figure that they are not duplicate sites DeepSand ??

Please explain this, I wait for your explanation of this.

It's all been laid out here in this discussion. If you didn't read such, that's no ones problem but your own. If you did read it all, and have facts contrary to what has already been presented, then present such. Otherwise,

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

Yes I did... Have You?

Since I'm the one that presented such data, what do you think is the answer to your question?

More inportantly, do you see any evidence of a relationship between those registrants and the client in question?

[SEO]

All eight ( 8 ) mentioned websites say the same thing:

IP Address: 216.26.144.193
IP Location - Georgia - Winterville - Empire Data Technologies


NOTE:

A reverse IP check is a reverse IP check...

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

All eight ( mentioned websitessites say the same thing:

IP Address: 216.26.144.193
IP Location - Georgia - Winterville - Empire Data Technologies


NOTE:

A reverse IP check is a reverse IP check...

Reverse IP identifies the hostname, which is host193.216.26.144.empiredatatech.com.

Which has nothing to do with the Registrants of the Domain Names!

To repeat, does the WHOIS data witness any relationship between the various Registrants?

[DesignsOnline]

I know Alans has registered several RELATED domains pertaining to his company and pointed them at his own website and as he has a static IP address it shouldnt be counted as duplicate content as it is in fact just the one website with several domains pointing at it. And he is well within his rights to do so, my original and current worry is that someone else has pointed domains that are non related and nothing to do with Alan or his company, and possibly carrying with them some sort of penalty or bad conotations in Google at Alans ip address and that this has contributed to Alans being removed from the Serps. He is slowly starting to return now, but for a long time he was gone altogether from the listings even when searching using his own domain just brought up that domain filitheyo.com

At least 2 other people have also copied his orriginal text from his website too, and combined these factors have caused him major problems.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by DesignsOnline

I know Alans has registered several RELATED domains pertaining to his company and pointed them at his own website and as he has a static IP address it shouldnt be counted as duplicate content as it is in fact just the one website with several domains pointing at it. And he is well within his rights to do so, my original and current worry is that someone else has pointed domains that are non related and nothing to do with Alan or his company, and possibly carrying with them some sort of penalty or bad conotations in Google at Alans ip address and that this has contributed to Alans being removed from the Serps. He is slowly starting to return now, but for a long time he was gone altogether from the listings even when searching using his own domain just brought up that domain filitheyo.com

At least 2 other people have also copied his orriginal text from his website too, and combined these factors have caused him major problems.

The related Domain Names being forwarded to the primary one will not be treated as "duplicate content." This practice is old and commonplace.

[AVC]

Face it DeepSand, you are going to lose another debate here on WPW, I know it hurts you to be wrong so much of the time, but you need to catch on to reality, this guy registered many domains and posted the same exact content on each one.

So if these are not duplicate sites and duplicate content, please do us all a favor and explain what they really are, OK

PS: I repeat, this car rental businessman did this in a vain attempt to rig Google and to dominate the business in his region, now you prove otherwise.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by AVC

Face it DeepSand, you are going to lose another debate here on WPW, I know it hurts you to be wrong so much of the time, but you need to catch on to reality, this guy registered many domains and posted the same exact content on each one.

So if these are not duplicate sites and duplicate content, please do us all a favor and explain what they really are, OK

PS: I repeat, this car rental businessman did this in a vain attempt to rig Google and to dominate the business in his region, now you prove otherwise.

How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site?

[AVC]

It is not a competitor DeepSand, it is the owner of the car rental agency that did this as a SCAM SEO TACTIC !!!!!

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by AVC

It is not a competitor DeepSand, it is the owner of the car rental agency that did this as a SCAM SEO TACTIC !!!!!

How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site?

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site?

I can tell you exactly how you know... because it has happened to me... twice!

Your site gets banned by Google.

There is no other motive for negative SEO.

[AVC]

So DeepSand, can you tell us how many domains this guy owns and if they are redirects or point to the same host ??

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

I can tell you exactly how you know... because it has happened to me... twice!

Your site gets banned by Google.

There is no other motive for negative SEO.

How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site?

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by AVC

So DeepSand, can you tell us how many domains this guy owns and if they are redirects or point to the same host ??

How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site?

[SEO]

wnkr.... (Did I say that out loud...?)

Originally Posted by deepsand

Reverse IP identifies the hostname, which is host193.216.26.144.empiredatatech.com.

Which has nothing to do with the Registrants of the Domain Names!

To repeat, does the WHOIS data witness any relationship between the various Registrants?

Do you really believe that nobody has been told that if they register different domains under different alias's and then connect them all that it has SEO benefits...

He has registered domains using quite a few business entities listing different addresses in a number of different countries...


Five of them are definitely his...

alansairportcars.co.uk

alansairporttaxis.co.uk

HOCKLEYTAXIS.COM

uknumber1chauffeurs.co.uk

UKNUMBER1CHAUFFEURS.COM


Two of the other 3 websites (all Saudi names funnily enough)
are definitely owned by the same person:

AL-HOBAYB.ORG

ALOMAIR.ORG


FILITHEYO.COM


HMMM... I wonder if a London chauffeur company would benefit by owning 3 Saudi websites...



EDIT:
Waybackmachine shows that all 3 of the saudi named websites were probably owned by the same person.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

wnkr.... (Did I say that out loud...?)



Do you really believe that nobody has been told that if they register different domains under different alias's and then connect them all that it has SEO benefits...

He has registered domains using quite a few business entities listing different addresses in a number of different countries...


Five of them are definitely his...

alansairportcars.co.uk

alansairporttaxis.co.uk

HOCKLEYTAXIS.COM

uknumber1chauffeurs.co.uk

UKNUMBER1CHAUFFEURS.COM


Two of the other 3 websites (all Saudi websites funnily enough)
are definitely owned by the same person:

AL-HOBAYB.ORG

ALOMAIR.ORG


FILITHEYO.COM - Ex saudi travel & tourism website.


HMMM... I wonder if a London chauffeur company would benefit by owning 3 Saudi websites...

?????

Originally Posted by deepsand

To repeat, does the WHOIS data witness any relationship between the various Registrants?

And, the answer is?

BTW, how can 3 be Saudi sites if the DNs merely point to the client's site?

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

Originally Posted by deepsand

To repeat, does the WHOIS data witness any relationship between the various Registrants?

And, the answer is?

BTW, how can 3 be Saudi sites if the DNs merely point to the client's site?

I just told you:


Five of them are definitely his...

alansairportcars.co.uk

alansairporttaxis.co.uk

HOCKLEYTAXIS.COM

uknumber1chauffeurs.co.uk

UKNUMBER1CHAUFFEURS.COM




The other 3 websites were previously owned by the same person:

AL-HOBAYB.ORG

ALOMAIR.ORG

(same technical contact)

FILITHEYO.COM

(at one time all 3 domains pointed to kbalertz.com)



The Saudi connection comes via the whois records (and the actual words in the domain names).

[Lorel509]

Google does not respond to abuse emails from their Spam abuse pages. they take the info and use it to improve their algorithm.

The best place to report this kind of abuse is through Google's Webmaster Tools for that domain. Also send a DMCA report to Google and the host of the offending domains.

I have a client with a competitor who constantly copied his content over the last several years and we have managed to get several of the offender's domains removed through DMCA reports to Google and their host. For more information on how to report these crooks search for "web page hijacking".

[SEO]

Originally Posted by Lorel509

Google does not respond to abuse emails from their Spam abuse pages. they take the info and use it to improve their algorithm.

The best place to report this kind of abuse is through Google's Webmaster Tools for that domain. Also send a DMCA report to Google and the host of the offending domains.

I have a client with a competitor who constantly copied his content over the last several years and we have managed to get several of the offender's domains removed through DMCA reports to Google and their host. For more information on how to report these crooks search for "web page hijacking".

Actually... When I had my first website hijacked Lori's website was one of the sites that I got a lot of my information from when I was doing my research into web page hijacking.

If you actually do read the information you will see that these websites that we are discussing don't show any of the "tell-tale" signs...

You have some good information about hijacking on your website Lori:

Stop 302 Redirects and Scrapers from Hijacking Web Page PR - Page Rank

How to Find a Hijacker using 302 Redirects and Report Them

Perhaps You could tell us if this appears to be a case of "hijacking" or not...

[deepsand]

How about a straight answer?

Is there any evidence of a relationship between this Registrar

Originally Posted by SEO

I just told you:


Five of them are definitely his...

alansairportcars.co.uk

alansairporttaxis.co.uk

HOCKLEYTAXIS.COM

uknumber1chauffeurs.co.uk

UKNUMBER1CHAUFFEURS.COM

and these?

Originally Posted by SEO

The other 3 websites were previously owned by the same person:

AL-HOBAYB.ORG

ALOMAIR.ORG

(same technical contact)

FILITHEYO.COM

(at one time all 3 domains pointed to kbalertz.com)).

As for

Originally Posted by SEO

The Saudi connection comes via the whois records (and the actual words in the domain names).

you obviously missed the point that, contrary to your statement that these are "Saudi sites," no such sites exist, but only Domain Names.

Such may seem trivial, but as they are distinctions with important differences, care must be given to employ proper terminology so as to order to avoid confusion and/or mis-understanding.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

How about a straight answer?

Ok... Let me make it real simple...

Originally Posted by DesignsOnline

One of my clients has a simple Essex to London airport Chauffeur service website. alansairporttaxis.co.uk

It has been dropped from Google completely since someone else pointed their domain (filitheyo.com) and (alomair.net) to his website. We suspect that one of his local competitors who is a dirty underhanded individual has done this, but cant prove anything.

We were originally led to believe that 2 out of 3 websites pointing to the (not so original) content was set up by some "dirty underhanded individual".

We have since discovered 8 websites (so far) all set up in an IDENTICAL manner pointing to the same webpage by some "dirty underhanded individual".

Five - 5 of these 8 websites are actually owned by DesignsOnline's client.


Perhaps the quote should read:

It has been dropped from Google completely since someone pointed domains - filitheyo.com - and alomair.net - and AL-HOBAYB.ORG - and alansairportcars.co.uk - and alansairporttaxis.co.uk - and HOCKLEYTAXIS.COM - and uknumber1chauffeurs.co.uk - and UKNUMBER1CHAUFFEURS.COM to his website. A dirty underhanded individual has done this, but cant prove anything.

[SEO]

Oh... And lets not forget about the other duplicate content issues:

Originally Posted by janeth

Sites with the same text
Goodege Chauffeur Service | Chauffeur Hire UK | Airport Transfer | Corporate | Executive
Alan's Airport Cars - chauffeur driven luxury Southend, Rayleigh - Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted
Exclusive Travel Services - Chauffeur Service
The Times Creme Executive Secretary & PA Event, 13 - 15 May 2008
Goodege Chauffeur Driven People Carrier | Chauffeur Hire UK | Airport Transfer |
Luxury Chauffeur Services Glasgow
Security Notice
GOODEGE Chauffeur driven car | security chauffeur | Prestige Car Hire
GOODEGE Wedding Car Hire | Chauffeur driven wedding car | Rolls Royce rental | Chauffeur Driven Cars
Luxury Chauffeur Services In Edinburgh by Targe Chauffeurs

[SEO]

Whoops...

Looks like you forgot to tell us about This One Too...

Alan's Airport Cars - chauffeur driven luxury Southend, Rayleigh - Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

Ok... Let me make it real simple for you...




We were originally led to believe that 2 out of 3 websites pointing to the (not so original) content was set up by some "dirty underhanded individual".

We have since discovered 8 websites (so far) all set up in an IDENTICAL manner pointing to the same webpage by some "dirty underhanded individual".

Five - 5 of these 8 websites are actually owned by DesignsOnline's client.


Perhaps the quote should read:

Which still begs the question put to you at How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site? .

[AVC]

I have been telling DeepSand all along that this is a scam set up by the owner of the auto rental company.

The only thing DeepSand wants to do is post a link to this thread now, just like old times (and tell folks to go back and read the thread again for old time sake) !!!

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

Whoops...

Looks like you forgot to tell us about This One Too...

Alan's Airport Cars - chauffeur driven luxury Southend, Rayleigh - Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted

You still don't get it.

The client's owning multiple Domain Names, all of which point to his single site, is not the concern here.

DNs that do not belong to that client, but whose DNS records point to his site, are.

[AVC]

What is the concern then Deepsand, how the domains point to the "one website" ?

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by AVC

I have been telling DeepSand all along that this is a scam set up by the owner of the auto rental company.

The only thing DeepSand wants to do is post a link to this thread now, just like old times (and tell folks to go back and read the thread again for old time sake) !!!

And, as usual, all you do is make unsubstantiated claims and attack others.