How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site?

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

They are not redirecting to your client's site... They are duplicate sites... (

Negative on that.

Network Solutions' DNS Name Servers, for both of the "offending" sites, point to the IP Address of the actual site under discussion.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

Here is another one that you may have missed:

Alan's Airport Cars - chauffeur driven luxury Southend, Rayleigh - Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted

This too points to the same IP Address.

This one may, in fact, be of the client's own doing, by way of having registered multiple Domain Names and using Forwarding to redirect all but the preferred one to it.

[Terry Van Horne]

Originally Posted by janeth

He never said those would change when he updated and even if it did it would not matter.

"They are not duplicate sites they are someone elses domains pointed at Alans website, and registered in Google as such. I tested this by changing some text to Alans website and testing their domains in a browser instantly, and the changed text was showing. "
the above from the horses mouth

I'd say yes it does matter he seems to be saying someone is mirroring content with an instant update and pointing it at his client. Been there and done that and it will have exactly the affect Alan describes. I did that when I left a personal account on my ISP. I thought I'd just link from there to the new domain Tsworldofdesign.com. Nope absolutely the stupidest thing I've ever done. Tsworld was buried on G but the old site continued to place for years.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by Terry Van Horne

" ... the forwarding/redirect has allowed the domain to be high jacked possibly via a 302 exploit by the mirroring sites.

It's in the DNS Name Servers; see How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site?

[Terry Van Horne]

Ok so who are the domains registered to? And how does that account for the mirroring ie instant update? Not questioning you here I am trying to understand the way the mirroring is being accomplished. Either you are right and the client isn't being totally honest about "ownership" or his domain has been jacked in some manner. That's why I mentioned the 302 because that has been an issue in the past and a common mistake of directories and hosts implementing a 302.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

Negative on that.

Network Solutions' DNS Name Servers, for both of the "offending" sites, point to the IP Address of the actual site under discussion.

That's because all of the sites are hosted on the same server... i.e. they are all owned by the same person... There are actually 26 sites hosted on this server with the same IP address.

They are not Redirections...

A 301 redirect would show the destination address in the browser window and also the destination content. There is no 301 redirect involved.

A 302 redirect could cloak the destination URL but when you open the offending sites pages they clearly stay on their respective domains... there is also no 302 redirect in the pages source code.

There is also no URL hijacking within a frame on the offending sites within the source code.

When you open the offending domains there is no redirection refresh whatsoever...

The same DNS is because all sites are hosted on the same server.

[SEO]

Here is a "Redirect Checker" tool... There ARE NO Redirects...!
Redirect Checker

[AVC]

Here is the data Netcraft has on the site: Netcraft What's That Site Running Results

So this guy has 3 sites with the same exact content then ?

[janeth]

Originally Posted by AVC

Here is the data Netcraft has on the site: Netcraft What's That Site Running Results

So this guy has 3 sites with the same exact content then ?

Check copyscape and your find lots of sites using that same content.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Terry Van Horne

"They are not duplicate sites they are someone elses domains pointed at Alans website, and registered in Google as such.

I'd say yes it does matter he seems to be saying someone is mirroring content with an instant update and pointing it at his client. Been there and done that and it will have exactly the affect Alan describes. I did that when I left a personal account on my ISP. I thought I'd just link from there to the new domain Tsworldofdesign.com. Nope absolutely the stupidest thing I've ever done. Tsworld was buried on G but the old site continued to place for years.

Google will rank the site with the most links pointing at it. I'd like to see a change take place and watch it change on the other sites.

[AVC]

Why would someone want to do such a thing ?

It must be the owner of the company trying to rig the system.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by janeth

I'd like to see a change take place and watch it change on the other sites.

Me too...

[janeth]

Can anyone tell what dates each of the sites where registered?

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by AVC

Here is the data Netcraft has on the site: Netcraft What's That Site Running Results

So this guy has 3 sites with the same exact content then ?

Not quite.

He has a single site.

There is a least one Domain with a very nearly identical Name that is forwarded to that site; this may be of the client's own deliberate doing.

There are at least 2 other Domains which Network Solutions' Name Servers are pointing to the IP Address of the clients site; when/how/why this came to be remains unknown.

[janeth]

From what Deepsand posted before am I correct in saying that the site we are defending was registered after the other two sites?

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by janeth

Can anyone tell what dates each of the sites where registered?

Dates for the 2 "offending" Domain Names listed by th OP are in my above posts, at How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site? and How do you know if a competitor is using Negative SEO against your site? .

[deepsand]

Per Alansairporttaxis.co.uk - Alan Sair Port Taxis , the Domain name that is similar to that name by the OP was registered on 18MAR2004, for a period of 6 years.

The one actually name by the OP, alansairportcars.co.uk, was, per Alansairportcars.co.uk - Alan Sair Port Cars , registered 21OCT2006, for 2 years.

Oddly, the registrant of the former registered in the clear, while the latter used a private registration; however, both used the same Registrant, Fasthosts Internet Ltd.

Stranger still is the fact that there are 26 Domain Names hosted under the same IP Address!.

I'm beginning to wonder if it is not the client himself who has constructed this web; though, other than for the above noted similar Domain Name, I've yet to imagine why he should done so.

[SEO]

alansairportcars.co.uk - 2006-10-21

filitheyo.com - 2000-08-26
alomair.net - 1999-07-06

alansairporttaxis.co.uk - 2004-03-18

[janeth]

Let me make sure I understand everything.

filitheyo.com was created 26-Aug-2000

alomair was created 06-Jul-1999

And alansairporttaxis.co.uk created on 18-Mar-2004

We find the text for these sites are far from original as it is all over the internet. Using the way back machine we find that around about Jan. of 2007 Alan's Airport Cars - chauffeur driven luxury Southend, Rayleigh - Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted changed their design.

alansairporttaxis.co.uk according to the wayback machine changed his design in Feb. of 2007 which would make one wonder if it was changed before or after the first site.

Either way this client was making his total living online from a website that has one backlink and no SEO done to it. And let's not forget using content that is on at lest another 10 sites. He is far better than I am.

Or bullshit.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

Per Alansairporttaxis.co.uk - Alan Sair Port Taxis , the Domain name that is similar to that name by the OP was registered on 18MAR2004, for a period of 6 years.

The one actually name by the OP, alansairportcars.co.uk, was, per Alansairportcars.co.uk - Alan Sair Port Cars , registered 21OCT2006, for 2 years.

Oddly, the registrant of the former registered in the clear, while the latter used a private registration; however, both used the same Registrant, Fasthosts Internet Ltd.

Stranger still is the fact that there are 26 Domain Names hosted under the same IP Address!.

I'm beginning to wonder if it is not the client himself who has constructed this web; though, other than for the above noted similar Domain Name, I've yet to imagine why he should done so.

That's what I've been trying to tell you...

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

That's what I've been trying to tell you.

Kindly elaborate.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by janeth

Either way this client was making his total living online from a website that has one backlink and no SEO done to it. And let's not forget using content that is on at lest another 10 sites. He is far better than I am.

Or bullshit.

Now he has 2 backlinks...

[janeth]

Sites with the same text
Goodege Chauffeur Service | Chauffeur Hire UK | Airport Transfer | Corporate | Executive
Alan's Airport Cars - chauffeur driven luxury Southend, Rayleigh - Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted
Exclusive Travel Services - Chauffeur Service
The Times Creme Executive Secretary & PA Event, 13 - 15 May 2008
Goodege Chauffeur Driven People Carrier | Chauffeur Hire UK | Airport Transfer |
Luxury Chauffeur Services Glasgow
Security Notice
GOODEGE Chauffeur driven car | security chauffeur | Prestige Car Hire
GOODEGE Wedding Car Hire | Chauffeur driven wedding car | Rolls Royce rental | Chauffeur Driven Cars
Luxury Chauffeur Services In Edinburgh by Targe Chauffeurs

[janeth]

Originally Posted by SEO

Now he has 2 backlinks...

lol

I'm sorry maybe that is where I messed up with my math.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

Kindly elaborate.

Here...

Originally Posted by SEO

OK...

Point No. 1:
They are not redirecting to your client's site... They are duplicate sites... (there is no redirect - no meta refresh - the browser continually points to their domain without redirect - your client's site is also not "framed" in their site - they are duplicate sites).



EDIT: All of the domains have the same IP Address: 216.26.144.193
I would be asking Alan or your domain host what is going on...

Definitely an inside job...

Here...

Originally Posted by SEO

Point No. 2:
Your client's Site IS NOT BANNED BY GOOGLE:
site:http://www.alansairportcars.co.uk/ - Google Search
(The "contact" page has PR1)

Here...

Originally Posted by SEO

That's because all of the sites are hosted on the same server... i.e. they are all owned by the same person... There are actually 26 sites hosted on this server with the same IP address.

They are not Redirections...

A 301 redirect would show the destination address in the browser window and also the destination content. There is no 301 redirect involved.

A 302 redirect could cloak the destination URL but when you open the offending sites pages they clearly stay on their respective domains... there is also no 302 redirect in the pages source code.

There is also no URL hijacking within a frame on the offending sites within the source code.

When you open the offending domains there is no redirection refresh whatsoever...

The same DNS is because all sites are hosted on the same server.

And Here...

Originally Posted by SEO

Here is a "Redirect Checker" tool... There ARE NO Redirects...!
Redirect Checker

[janeth]

wrong site

[SEO]

Originally Posted by janeth

Sites with the same text
Goodege Chauffeur Service | Chauffeur Hire UK | Airport Transfer | Corporate | Executive
Alan's Airport Cars - chauffeur driven luxury Southend, Rayleigh - Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted
Exclusive Travel Services - Chauffeur Service
The Times Creme Executive Secretary & PA Event, 13 - 15 May 2008
Goodege Chauffeur Driven People Carrier | Chauffeur Hire UK | Airport Transfer |
Luxury Chauffeur Services Glasgow
Security Notice
GOODEGE Chauffeur driven car | security chauffeur | Prestige Car Hire
GOODEGE Wedding Car Hire | Chauffeur driven wedding car | Rolls Royce rental | Chauffeur Driven Cars
Luxury Chauffeur Services In Edinburgh by Targe Chauffeurs

Wow janeth....

You just doubled his SEO efforts....

Now he has 2 links to each of his sites...

[janeth]

Take a look at the sites here Internet Archive Wayback Machine

It looks like alansairportcars.co.uk was not the first site to use that design.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by SEO

Wow janeth....

You just doubled his SEO efforts....

Now he has 2 links to each of his sites...

I am thinking some of those might be real sites as they are not using the same design.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by janeth

Let me make sure I understand everything.

Using the way back machine we find that around about Jan. of 2007 Alan's Airport Cars - chauffeur driven luxury Southend, Rayleigh - Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted changed their design.

alansairporttaxis.co.uk according to the wayback machine changed his design in Feb. of 2007 which would make one wonder if it was changed before or after the first site.

2004-03-18 : Registers alansairporttaxis.co.uk

2006-10-21 : Registers alansairportcars.co.uk

2007-01-xx : Content of alansairportcars.co.uk changed

2007-02-xx : Content of alansairporttaxis.co.uk changed (now same as cars?)

200x-xx-xx : Forwards alansairporttaxis.co.uk to Registers alansairportcars.co.uk

This all makes sense; what does not is the other 24 DNs, with Names that are totally unrelated to the business, registered under the names of various parties, from various countries, registered with (for the ones identified) a different Registrar, Network Solutions, over a wide time span. The only rational reason that I can come up with is that this is a Network Solutions screw-up, that they've here used the wrong IP Address for parking purposes.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

Here... Definitely an inside job

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Originally Posted by SEO

Here... The same DNS is because all sites are hosted on the same server

What?

There is one site alone, that physically hosted at 216.26.144.193, by Empire Data Technologies.

All 26 Domain Names map to the same IP Address. This is a "many-to-one" relationship, as opposed to multiple "one-to-one" relationships.

Online resources are defined by their IP Address, not by either their Domain Name or Host.

What we have here is multiple (26) DNS Records, across 2 different Registrants, for different Domain Names, all bearing the same IP Address. 24 of those records may be erroneous.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

What?

There is one site alone, that physically hosted at 216.26.144.193, by Empire Data Technologies.

All 26 Domain Names map to the same IP Address. This is a "many-to-one" relationship, as opposed to multiple "one-to-one" relationships.

Online resources are defined by their IP Address, not by their Domain Name.

deepsand; I think you are wrong.

I have multiple hosting accounts with my ISP.
Each account hosts multiple domains.
Each domain that is hosted on the one account has the same IP address.
Multiple (separate) domains - same IP

Exactly the same as what he has done.


EDIT:

Also...
Notice in waybackmachine the domains were previously unrelated content.
According to whois.domaintools the 2 "offending domains" have changed IP address and whois information (the sites have changed hands) since created.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

deepsand; I think you are wrong.

I have multiple hosting accounts with my ISP.
Each account hosts multiple domains.
Each domain that is hosted on the one account has the same IP address.
Multiple (separate) domains - same IP

Not quite the same thing.

You are referring to having multiple host names bound to a single IP Address. And, while there are several ways of implementing such, none are evidenced here.

Firstly, in order to accomplish such, either the host itself must act as the DNS Name Server, or the URLs must be extended to include additional parameters which identify either a Port No. or a Host Name, neither of which are employed here.

And, accessing the site via IP Address, which does not serve to identify a particular host name, is dis-ambiguously resolved to the host name host193.216.26.144.empiredatatech.com, thus demonstrating that the host is not its own DNS Name Server. (The fact that Network Solutions DNS Name Servers contain records for the "offending" Domain Names suggest as much.)

Secondly, were it the intent of the client to here employ multiple Domain Names pointing to the same site, using multiple host names would be to add an unnecessary complexity; simple Forwarding would suffice for that purpose.

Originally Posted by SEO

Exactly the same as what he has done.

To repeat, assumes facts not in evidence.

It can be rationally deduced that there is a real and deliberate relationship between alansairporttaxis.co.uk & alansairportcars.co.uk ; not so for the other 24 DNs.

[AVC]

Maybe a new tactic hackers are using to load virus links on unsuspecting PC users machines to convert them into zombie machines, anything is possible now days !

[deepsand]

What here suggests such?

[AVC]

Well, that is what phishing sites are, copies of actual websites, that is how they steal financial data and passwords and install spyware on users boxes converting them to zombie machines.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by AVC

Well, that is what phishing sites are, copies of actual websites, that is how they steal financial data and passwords and install spyware on users boxes converting them to zombie machines.

Could be a lot of things...

Could be "The World's Dumbest URL Hijacker"... ("Duh... let's outrank his website and put up an exact copy of his website in it's place")...

Could be "The World's Roughest SEO"... ("Yer... Gimme 5 grand an I'll have ya complitly dominatin' tha first five spots of Google for ya keyword "Alan's Executive Cars" in no time")...

Could be "The world's Dodgiest Website Designer"... ("Ohhhh... Did you say "Adam's Executive Cars???")...

Or it could be a website owner who thinks that the more websites he has out there the easier he will be to find...

I tend to think that they are not random phishing sites as they are all hosted on the same server and all booking information goes directly to the Cabfares database.

If it is one of his local competitors who is a dirty underhanded individual using 'black hat' anti-SEO tactics... Then his 'black hat' is the tall pointy type with a big 'D' on the front of it... He has actually given Alan two websites for free (one which has higher PR than Alan's original site). It would definitely be easier (and much smarter) for a competitor to build a website with his own details on it and outrank Alan's original site by pointing three (3) backlinks to it.

I mean... Come on... How hard is it to outrank a competitor's website that has one backlink pointing to it...?

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by AVC

Well, that is what phishing sites are, copies of actual websites, that is how they steal financial data and passwords and install spyware on users boxes converting them to zombie machines.

No copies involved here; simply 26 DNS Records with the same IP Address.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

No copies involved here; simply 26 DNS Records with the same IP Address.

They are separate domains (on the same server) with the same IP address.

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

Could be a lot of things...

Could be "The World's Dumbest URL Hijacker"... ("Duh... let's outrank his website and put up an exact copy of his website in it's place")...

Since there are no copies involved, this possibility is ruled out.

Originally Posted by SEO

I tend to think that they are not random phishing sites as they are all hosted on the same server and all booking information goes directly to the Cabfares database.

Given that there is but a single site, this too is ruled out.

Originally Posted by SEO

If it is one of his local competitors who is a dirty underhanded individual using 'black hat' anti-SEO tactics... Then his 'black hat' is the tall pointy type with a big 'D' on the front of it... He has actually given Alan two websites for free (one which has higher PR than Alan's original site). It would definitely be easier (and much smarter) for a competitor to build a website with his own details on it and outrank Alan's original site by pointing three (3) backlinks to it.

Some may have "given" him the use of, not 2, but 24 Domain Names that point to his site; but, toward what end?

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

They are separate domains (on the same server) with the same IP address.

Negative.

There are 26 DNS Name Server Records pointing to the same IP Address.

There is a single site at that IP Address.

Please read all of the technical information that has been here provided; this is not a case of multiple hosts being bound to the same IP Address. You must make the important distinctions between a site, a Domain Name, a Host Name and an IP Address; these 4 entities are not the same things.

[SEO]

Originally Posted by deepsand

Negative.

There are 26 DNS Name Server Records pointing to the same IP Address.

There is a single site at that IP Address.

Please read all of the technical information that has been here provided; this is not a case of multiple hosts being bound to the same IP Address. You must make the important distinctions between a site, a Domain Name, a Host Name and an IP Address; these 4 entities are not the same things.

Shared hosting also shares DNS.

Netcraft seems to point to that fact that they are separate domains hosted on the same netblock:
Top sites for Empire Data Technologies

As does SEO Elite...

Run a search engine spider simulator...
Search Engine Spider Simulator

They are separate domains with the same IP address... Shared Hosting...!

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

Shared hosting also shares DNS.

Netcraft seems to point to that fact that they are separate domains hosted on the same netblock:
Top sites for Empire Data Technologies

As does SEO Elite...

Run a search engine spider simulator...
Search Engine Spider Simulator

They are separate domains with the same IP address... Shared Hosting...!

How do you explain the fact that Network Solutions' DNS Name Servers contain records for the "offending" sites if Empire is handling the DNS for their IP Addresses?

How do you explain the fact that an IP Address alone cannot be dis-ambiguously resolved to a unique Host Name if multiple Hosts are bound to that IP Address?

Do you not understand that the data reported by Netcraft is merely a listing of Domain Names with an IP Address that is assigned to Empire?

Do you not understand that the Spider Simulator simply does a DNS Name look-up, and thus comes up with the same IP Address for all of the Domain Names here involved, but that it does not attempt to identify the Host Name?

Have you studied how the DNS system works?

Do you understand the differences between a site, a Domain Name, a Host Name and an IP Address?

[deepsand]

Originally Posted by SEO

They are separate domains (on the same server) with the same IP address.

Enter the IP Address 216.26.144.193 into the Address field of your browser and Go.

Now, tell us which of the 26 Domain Names here involved responded.

[davidweb]

Originally Posted by janeth

Duplicating a website will not get it banned. Google will take the site with the highest pr and list it. But why not just redesign the site and change the text around?

hi janeth, Search engines will only consider website which was crawled first. Google itself does not rely on its PR technology, therefore it is best to look beyond PR if issues like duplicate content crop up.

If you want to see an example, then try copying content from a new website ( already crawled by Google ) and paste to your PR 3 PAGE. I am sure you will get the hint

[davidweb]

Originally Posted by DesignsOnline

This guy is just a small Husband and wife team, and doesnt have loads of money to throw at it.
So I guess no one can suggest any way of resolving this then?

I can offer my advice/services free of cost

It would be glad to see a genuine website back on track.

[kevsta]

Originally Posted by davidweb

hi janeth, Search engines will only consider website which was crawled first. Google itself does not rely on its PR technology, therefore it is best to look beyond PR if issues like duplicate content crop up.

If you want to see an example, then try copying content from a new website ( already crawled by Google ) and paste to your PR 3 PAGE. I am sure you will get the hint

disagree. the content (version) with best PR or IBLs will show higher once things settle down

[DesignsOnline]

Hi wow there was quite a lot to catch up on so lets start by clearing up a few things for you.

If I remember correctly Alan first registered the domain alansairporttaxis.com This was registered through a company that gave him lots of problems, he came to me and asked for me to take over the website for him in October 2006. I copied his existing website data for him and opened a new hosting account. I moved his website to the new hosting account but I cant remember exactly why, but he had some problems getting the old hosting company to let go of his domain so he also registered some new similar ones, (or he may have already had them registered I cant remember...) anyway we started his website again usuing I think alansairporttaxis.co.uk and then eventually managed to get the original domain released and pointed to the new host.

You can check the date of the website and see its changes here:
Internet Archive Wayback Machine

Alans decided to change the text on his website and provided me with new text, (having seen the duplicate text links that Janeth kindly provided I now need to check if he copied them, or they copied him in waybackmachine !)

Anyway later Alan decided to try and go a little more upmarket as the Taxi service arena was highly competative and a local company was giving him problems, so he changed over to use the domains alansairportcars.co.uk and .com and and he changed the header slightly to say airport cars instead of airport taxis.

Also at some point he forgot to re-register the domain alansairporttaxis.com and someone else grabbed it and stuck one of those waste of time, "purely there to show adverts" type pages on the domain.

Next he vanished from the search engines totally, (it is only in the past couple of days that his contact page has shown in the serps again under his own domain!) and we discovered that his website was being listed under someone elses domain, then we discovered another one, and now I read that there are actually 26 domains pointing to his website.

DavidWeb that would be exceedingly kind of you and im sure it would be gratefully accepted.

To those of you who have added links to his website, a big thank you.

Also thank you to all the effort put in by those of you who have gone to the trouble of investigatng this for Alan.
Im pretty sure that rather than it being the malicious efforts of a local competitor as Alans is convinced, rather is is likely simply an error in the DNS on the part of Network Solutions. Although having said that it is his local competitor that part owns the company Taxiclub.co.uk and also Cabfares.co.uk so perhaps he is involved in some way...?

[DesignsOnline]

Originally Posted by janeth

Sites with the same text
Goodege Chauffeur Service | Chauffeur Hire UK | Airport Transfer | Corporate | Executive
Alan's Airport Cars - chauffeur driven luxury Southend, Rayleigh - Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted
Exclusive Travel Services - Chauffeur Service
The Times Creme Executive Secretary & PA Event, 13 - 15 May 2008
Goodege Chauffeur Driven People Carrier | Chauffeur Hire UK | Airport Transfer |
Luxury Chauffeur Services Glasgow
Security Notice
GOODEGE Chauffeur driven car | security chauffeur | Prestige Car Hire
GOODEGE Wedding Car Hire | Chauffeur driven wedding car | Rolls Royce rental | Chauffeur Driven Cars
Luxury Chauffeur Services In Edinburgh by Targe Chauffeurs

As for who copied who im working on that now....

Alans own website: Internet Archive Wayback Machine This text was first used in Dec 2006

Later it also appeared on these other websites

Internet Archive Wayback Machine Created July 5th 2007
Exclusive Travel Services - Chauffeur Service This one isnt even listed in wayback machine so I can only assume it is very new!
The Times Creme Executive Secretary & PA Event, 13 - 15 May 2008 this one is just a link to Goodge.com again who copied Alan in the first place.
Luxury Chauffeur Services Glasgow This site also doent have an entry in Wayback machine so I assume is quite new and either coped Goodge or Alans site
Privatechauffeurhire.com - Private Chauffeur Hire or GOODEGE Chauffeur driven car | security chauffeur | Prestige Car Hire points to Goodge.com so another copy of Alans text!
http://www.targe-chauffeurs.com/luxu...edinburgh.html again the samer company as the 4th one down , Waybackmachine shows they started up in July 31st 2007

So it was original text not a copy of anyone elses, and this would explain why he was ranking so well before.
Should I contact the other websites and ask them to remove the text, or should I contact Google again and present the evidence as laid out above?

[janeth]

Originally Posted by davidweb

hi janeth, Search engines will only consider website which was crawled first. Google itself does not rely on its PR technology, therefore it is best to look beyond PR if issues like duplicate content crop up.

If you want to see an example, then try copying content from a new website ( already crawled by Google ) and paste to your PR 3 PAGE. I am sure you will get the hint

I've done it and I've seen it work. I know for a fact you can out rank the first indexed site using duplicate content.