Articles are not duplicate content

[janeth]

I’ve seen a lot of people post on forums about duplicate content and I disagree with the information being posted.

I’ve got a blog about lawn mowers and since I know nothing about lawnmowers I went to some free article sites and got free information and stuck on my blog. Those articles rank on the major search engines and bring in traffic. I created another site about silicone wristbands and again used free articles for the information. Those articles are starting to rank and bring traffic into that site.

Duplicating an entire site when you are also duplicating the code would be a problem. However if you are posting an article onto an existing site then your code and links are different and the site is not duplicated. Not only will that post rank but if you put enough links to it will out rank the original article. I’ve seen it happen and I’ve also seen one article rank right behind another.

This means that when you write an article there is no reason to write one for your site and another to submit to the search engines. You only need to make sure your site has more incoming links going to the article.

[incrediblehelp]

So would you consider what your doing "scrapping"?

[janeth]

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

So would you consider what your doing "scrapping"?

Nope not at all. Every article has the arthurs bio and information on it.

[Tig]

I've done this myself before, and it has worked for a while, but every major search engine has a "report spam" feature. If even one person uses that link against one of your sites, you are very likely to get blacklisted. That happened to me and I'm still fighting to get one site off the blacklist after several months, even though I've completely taken off the free content and rewritten everything.

[freelancedesigners.com]

I dont think its scraping either, but I am suprised your ranking for it - are you ranking in Google or a different search engine?

I do see press releases come up in several listings, but seem to get duplicate content penalties for articles.

[WebFadds]

Hi -

I think the problem comes when several sites use the exact same article(s) word for word. Google does pick this up and penalize you.

- Scott

[flyingspider]

Scraping is a common practice among many webmasters. And when you have millions of dollars backing your efforts, it's called Google, Yahoo, and MSN.

If you're against the practice of Google scraping the content off your website, but you have AdSense on your websites, it's called website monetizing.

For those of you reading this thread, placing duplicate articles on your website is a short term traffic strategy. To make this a long term sustainable, simply send quality text links to that article and you're almost guaranteed a high ranking in the Majors.

[maniactive]

There's a bigger problem -- it can be summed up in one quote:

"I’ve got a blog about lawn mowers and since I know nothing about lawnmowers --"

[rudyhiebert]

There has to be a purpose in the article, even if it needs a quote from another source, i.e. duplicating a sentence or two, in my opinion. So now we have plagiarism to deal with after we're still coping with spamming? Showing the source and not claiming it as my own should be OK. I'd be honored if someone used my article with my name attached, especially if sales resulted.

[texxs]

There ya go, maniactive!

[texxs]

It's not plagiarism or anything like it if the author has published it and set conditions for it's re-use and the end-publisher(s) are complying with these terms.

In fact, it's helping these writers.

However using their work and not complying with their terms is a lot like dining and not tipping.

Just my 2 cents . . .

[cz]

I looked at your blog atached to your silicone wristband site. Is that one that you're referring to? I'm not trying to be offensive, only curious because I couldn't find a post that had links to the author anywhere.

Wouldn't that be called copyright infringement? I'd like to know as it would make writing 4 - 6 quality articles per week an easy task.

[weslinda]

I'm going to agree with Maniactive as well, but hey...

[janeth]

Originally Posted by freelancedesigners.com

I dont think its scraping either, but I am suprised your ranking for it - are you ranking in Google or a different search engine?

I do see press releases come up in several listings, but seem to get duplicate content penalties for articles.

Find an article that is on a couple sites and search for the title with quotes.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Tig

I've done this myself before, and it has worked for a while, but every major search engine has a "report spam" feature. If even one person uses that link against one of your sites, you are very likely to get blacklisted. That happened to me and I'm still fighting to get one site off the blacklist after several months, even though I've completely taken off the free content and rewritten everything.

I've heard about people reporting a lot of sites and Google never doing anything.

But I really don't see anything wrong with it. If your looking for information on lawn mowers I've gathered all the information together for you.

It is a good thing not a bad thing.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by WebFadds

Hi -

I think the problem comes when several sites use the exact same article(s) word for word. Google does pick this up and penalize you.

- Scott

Do a search for some titles with quotes and look at all the sites with the same articles.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by maniactive

There's a bigger problem -- it can be summed up in one quote:

"I’ve got a blog about lawn mowers and since I know nothing about lawnmowers --"

And why is that a bigger problem for you?

I've seen a lot of people selling SEO services that know nothing about SEO. I am not selling anything, we don't have lawn mowers around here and when I decided to buy one for my house I decided to start a blog.

Can you show me the rule book for who can start a blog and for what topics?

[janeth]

Originally Posted by rudyhiebert

There has to be a purpose in the article, even if it needs a quote from another source, i.e. duplicating a sentence or two, in my opinion. So now we have plagiarism to deal with after we're still coping with spamming? Showing the source and not claiming it as my own should be OK. I'd be honored if someone used my article with my name attached, especially if sales resulted.

All the articles have links back to the writer.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by cz

I looked at your blog atached to your silicone wristband site. Is that one that you're referring to? I'm not trying to be offensive, only curious because I couldn't find a post that had links to the author anywhere.

Wouldn't that be called copyright infringement? I'd like to know as it would make writing 4 - 6 quality articles per week an easy task.

It's the blog on ranked1.net and there should be links back to every author.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by weslinda

I'm going to agree with Maniactive as well, but hey...

And who are you to tell me what I can and can not start a blog about?

[flyingspider]

Assuming that none of the search engines know nothing about lawn movers, how many of you would click on the first 10 results to find information about a lawn mover or one to buy?

Think about it.

We're all creatures of habits, and nearly all of the websites that are ranked in the top 10 are optimized to some extent. And with our busy schedules, we don't have time to think about duplicate content. We're all click happy and this is a good thing because it fuels the search engine industry.

Personally, I'm just disappointed that John Deere is not ranked in the top 10 in Google.

[maniactive]

Of course it's a bad thing!

You admittedly know nothing about lawn mowers, yet you're presenting yourself as an expert on lawn mowers.

Further, you have no way of discerning whether the articles you scrape together represent accurate or useful information.

This practice is deceitful. And dishonest.

Those are what we call "Bad Qualities."

[janeth]

Originally Posted by flyingspider

Assuming that none of the search engines know nothing about lawn movers, how many of you would click on the first 10 results to find information about a lawn mover or one to buy?

Think about it.

We're all creatures of habits, and nearly all of the websites that are ranked in the top 10 are optimized to some extent. And with our busy schedules, we don't have time to think about duplicate content. We're all click happy and this is a good thing because it fuels the search engine industry.

Personally, I'm just disappointed that John Deere is not ranked in the top 10 in Google.

I wanted a John Deere but there were none to be found. However I did find an old Snapper but was afraid I wouldn't be able to find parts for it if it broke.

Look at what I learned from my blog. (-:

[janeth]

Originally Posted by maniactive

Of course it's a bad thing!

You admittedly know nothing about lawn mowers, yet you're presenting yourself as an expert on lawn mowers.

Further, you have no way of discerning whether the articles you scrape together represent accurate or useful information.

This practice is deceitful. And dishonest.

Those are what we call "Bad Qualities."

The blog police nice to have you here. I am very good at discerning whats good and whats bad. But glad to have the police and it seems the judge all in one here.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by maniactive

Of course it's a bad thing!

You admittedly know nothing about lawn mowers, yet you're presenting yourself as an expert on lawn mowers.

Further, you have no way of discerning whether the articles you scrape together represent accurate or useful information.

This practice is deceitful. And dishonest.

Those are what we call "Bad Qualities."

And as Tom said you really need to be getting onto Google for this as well. And while your at it take care of Yahoo, MSN and Ask.

[davidweb]

Originally Posted by janeth

I’ve seen a lot of people post on forums about duplicate content and I disagree with the information being posted.

Articles were surely not duplicate content, and infact I used to submit my articles to several hundred articles, and ezine websites way back in 2005 . All those articles were original, and never had any issues ( irrespective of having same article on 100 article websites).

Since 2006, Google has introduced several new filters which will not help you gain higher rankings, if your same article is published to 100 different article websites.

Moreover, in the worst case scenrio, a scrapper can pick up your article and paste on this own blog. This will make your own original article look duplicate . This has happened to me several times, and I know how dis-heartening it is to see a scrapper blog ranking above your article, and google putting your original article link under

"repeat the search with the omitted results included."

This is where duplicate content issue comes into picture. Although your original intention might not be to promote duplicate content, but once your article gets scrapped and crawled by a scrapper site before your original article does, your article promotion excercise will hit you like a boomerang.

Article promotion is neither bad, nor duplicate content, but it has become too complicated.

If you can manage to publish 100 unique articles on 100 high ranking ezine sites, then I am sure it will help you ALOT.

However in the process there are several ROB-IN-HOODS (Online Scrappers), who can hijack your article promotion activity to make it look like a duplicate content promotion activity.

Several hundred duplicate articles and a signature link below that will do no-benefit to your website. Even those article websites will face the brunt of publishing duplicate article by Google. You might initially gain direct clicks initially from ezine sites, but ultimately it will result in boomerang effect once the ROB-IN-HOODS set their eyes on your content.

Beware of ROB-IN-HOODS, if you are SEOrious about Article Promotion

If you ignore ROB-IN-HOODS, your article promotion would ultimately force your site to commit SEOcide ( SEO Suicide committed on search engines).

[bijan814]

The website that has the duplicate article has more back link than the original article will rank higher.

But that's if the duplicates website has more link, plus Google knows if it's a duplicate article or not. Anyway if you're getting traffic from it go for it

[stabilpa]

Looks there are some serious issues with the silicone bands site. I found several broken links on the front page, it seems all the links in the left column take you to the same front page, and the news pages are messing around with different foreign fonts (Cyrillic and Greek among them...).

I never could find the articles where the authors are given credit. Is that in the news section? I think it's a bit messed up.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by davidweb

Articles were surely not duplicate content, and infact I used to submit my articles to several hundred articles, and ezine websites way back in 2005 . All those articles were original, and never had any issues ( irrespective of having same article on 100 article websites).

Since 2006, Google has introduced several new filters which will not help you gain higher rankings, if your same article is published to 100 different article websites.

Moreover, in the worst case scenrio, a scrapper can pick up your article and paste on this own blog. This will make your own original article look duplicate . This has happened to me several times, and I know how dis-heartening it is to see a scrapper blog ranking above your article, and google putting your original article link under

"repeat the search with the omitted results included."

This is where duplicate content issue comes into picture. Although your original intention might not be to promote duplicate content, but once your article gets scrapped and crawled by a scrapper site before your original article does, your article promotion excercise will hit you like a boomerang.

Article promotion is neither bad, nor duplicate content, but it has become too complicated.

If you can manage to publish 100 unique articles on 100 high ranking ezine sites, then I am sure it will help you ALOT.

However in the process there are several ROB-IN-HOODS (Online Scrappers), you can rip your article promotion activity to make it look like a duplicate content promotion activity.

Several hundred duplicate articles and a signature link below that will do no-benefit to your website. It would be a wastage of time. You might gain clicks initially directly from ezine sites, but ultimately it will result in boomerang effect once the ROB-IN-HOODS set their eyes on your content.

Beware of ROB-IN-HOODS if you are serious about Article Promotion

When you submit your site to a free article site you are telling people that you want them to reuse the article as long as they link back to you.

That is on all the free article sites that I have seen. The reason you submit your article is for the link back.

A scrapper site is a site that pulls a little content from different sites to create unique content. This is not one.

[chrisJumbo]

As long as the the author's bio and link is maintained there is no problem with re-posting of articles. I frankly prefer to write my own, but of course that is more time consuming. And although I prefer to stick with subjects I know, those aren't neccessarily the most profitable set of key words.

Many articles probably aren't optimized either and with a few tweaks and links you can surpasss the original. As long as you are maintaining the author's links, they benefit with a backlink.

Unless you copied the site word for word and code for code, you probably don't have to worry about duplicate content.

[KeeKee]

There were articles? Authors?

[flyingspider]

"scraping" is neither good or bad. It's a practice that is accepted Web wide.
If you're using ANY of the Majors for your searches, you're condoning this "bad" practice.

And if you haven't been paying attention, Web2.0 made it clear that "scraping" is "socially" acceptable.
Scraping is so popularity now that at least one poster in this thread participates in the social network websites on a daily basis. You know who you are.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by bijan814

The website that has the duplicate article has more back link than the original article will rank higher.

But that's if the duplicates website has more link, plus Google knows if it's a duplicate article or not. Anyway if you're getting traffic from it go for it

Yes, the back links will decide which website ranks higher.

And the sad part is that the website was originally built for free to help out an old man that had worked his whole life in the outdoor power equipment industry. He lost his job and was needing to make some extra money. He was picked up by another company right after the site was finished but is working on a yearly contract.

I kept the site going in case he ever lost his job. Now some self appointed ass wants to tell me I can't have the site.

[CompuGeneration]

Originally Posted by janeth

I’ve got a blog about lawn mowers and since I know nothing about lawnmowers I went to some free article sites and got free information and stuck on my blog. Those articles rank on the major search engines and bring in traffic. I created another site about silicone wristbands and again used free articles for the information. Those articles are starting to rank and bring traffic into that site.

I would be fine with this on two conditions;

1) You had permission from the author & gave them credit (for the article)
2) The article you were posting actually added value to your site

I already assumed this was the case with most free article sites. Part of the reason authors provide content to free article sites is for the links they gain back to their website.

[Peter (IMC)]

It's getting more duplicate when the title and meta description are exactly the same. Using free articles isn't bad, especially if it related. But it's nice to also have some content that doesn't come from an article site.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by CompuGeneration

I would be fine with this on two conditions;

1) You had permission from the author & gave them credit (for the article)
2) The article you were posting actually added value to your site

I already assumed this was the case with most free article sites. Part of the reason authors provide content to free article sites is for the links they gain back to their website.

The blog is here http://www.successfulmowing.com/ and there is a link back to the author on any post I used that were not my own. I originally tried to research information and post it on the blog but without have the items here for me to look at it was really hard.

And I had people asking for more information and even had dealers contacting me and asking me to post about certain topics. I was not making money with the site but hated to walk away from it and decided to go with free articles.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

It's getting more duplicate when the title and meta description are exactly the same. Using free articles isn't bad, especially if it related. But it's nice to also have some content that doesn't come from an article site.

I try to do that and I've got B&S that sends me information for the site from time to time.

[davidweb]

Originally Posted by janeth

When you submit your site to a free article site you are telling people that you want them to reuse the article as long as they link back to you.

That is on all the free article sites that I have seen. The reason you submit your article is for the link back.

A scrapper site is a site that pulls a little content from different sites to create unique content. This is not one.

What about those ROB-IN-HOODS who will copy your content from your article website and post your original article on a different ezine website with a signature pointing back to their own SCRAPPY BLOG OR SITE ??

[janeth]

Originally Posted by davidweb

What about those ROB-IN-HOODS who will copy your content from your article website and post your original article on a different ezine website with a signature pointing back to their own SCRAPPY BLOG OR SITE ??

Now that is really bad.

[davidweb]

Originally Posted by janeth

Now that is really bad.

Yep it is bad!! By the way you look very cute in your pic. Is that yours

Looks like, I am getting too much concerned about duplicate issues

[janeth]

Originally Posted by davidweb

Yep it is bad!! By the way you look very cute in your pic. Is that yours

Looks like, I am getting too much concerned about duplicate issues

Yes it is me. It is a newer photo than the other one.

[rebroker]

What you are doing is fine.

But, Google does have a duplicate content filter, and I'm sure if you run a search, you will notice most of the articles are placed into Google's supplemental index. This will, in most cases keep these pages from top rankings.

Bob
<please add your link to your signature>

[davidweb]

Originally Posted by janeth

Yes it is me. It is a newer photo than the other one.

Nice to know that.

I wish there was some SEO-LAWN-MOVER which I could use to cut SCRAPPER SITES from SEARCH ENGINES

[janeth]

Originally Posted by rebroker

What you are doing is fine.

But, Google does have a duplicate content filter, and I'm sure if you run a search, you will notice most of the articles are placed into Google's supplemental index. This will, in most cases keep these pages from top rankings.

Bob
search engine optimization

At this time I am not seeing any of the pages in the supplemental index. You're more than welcome to check and correct me if I am wrong.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by davidweb

Nice to know that.

I wish there was some SEO-LAWN-MOVER which I could use to cut SCRAPPER SITES from SEARCH ENGINES

I'd rather have a bulldozer and just push mine to the front.

[grobar]

two different issues here.

1 - what this posts author is saying, that a 'copied' article can outrank the origina - is totally true, depending on the circumstances.

2 - is copying right, morally, or whatever - that depends on you.

presumably people copy content because they dont have the time, or the knowledge to write their own stuff.

If you don't write content because of time, then do what i do.

Invest $100 in a dragon naturally speaking, and 4.99 in a cheap microphone, and dictate your article.

I can whip off 4 quality articles in about 20 minutes, and because it is your own voice, it's probably not going to be duplicate content.

If you like someone elses article, then just READ it, understand it, THEN dictate your own article ABOUT the original article.

Its done wonders for me, and i recommend it to anyone who can properly enunciate.

[Searching]

Originally Posted by janeth

The blog is here http://www.successfulmowing.com/ and there is a link back to the author on any post I used that were not my own. I originally tried to research information and post it on the blog but without have the items here for me to look at it was really hard.

And I had people asking for more information and even had dealers contacting me and asking me to post about certain topics. I was not making money with the site but hated to walk away from it and decided to go with free articles.

This is a very interesting and entertaining thread. I've considered using articles from other authors but have always been scared about duplicate content filters. I'm now tempted to try some of these techniques on some domains I have lying around.

By the way Janeth, I assume that you are a Windows user. Your sites arevery well designed and optimised but I've gotta say, your lawnmower blog sucks on a Mac - you really need to give your designer a lesson in browser compatibility. I always test my sites on all browsers and operating systems. Here's a screenshot so you can see for yourself (Safari browser - looks fine in Firefox)

Oh, and for the anti-Mac brigade out there, did you realise that Apple is now one of the most recognizable brands in the world and rapidly gaining market share in the home computing sector.

Peace and Love,

Searching..........

[Peter (IMC)]

Originally Posted by Searching

This is a very interesting and entertaining thread. I've considered using articles from other authors but have always been scared about duplicate content filters. I'm now tempted to try some of these techniques on some domains I have lying around.

By the way Janeth, I assume that you are a Windows user. Your sites arevery well designed and optimised but I've gotta say, your lawnmower blog sucks on a Mac - you really need to give your designer a lesson in browser compatibility. I always test my sites on all browsers and operating systems. Here's a screenshot so you can see for yourself (Safari browser - looks fine in Firefox)

Oh, and for the anti-Mac brigade out there, did you realise that Apple is now one of the most recognizable brands in the world and rapidly gaining market share in the home computing sector.

Peace and Love,

Searching..........

lol,

One of the most recognizable brands. That is a phrase that I love. That is like saying that athlete John is one of the fastest looking runners in the world...... (that he does the 100m in 18 seconds,.. well doesn't really matter,.. he looks faster than anybody.)

Just making a little fun here,. no worries.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Searching

By the way Janeth, I assume that you are a Windows user. Your sites arevery well designed and optimised but I've gotta say, your lawnmower blog sucks on a Mac - you really need to give your designer a lesson in browser compatibility. I always test my sites on all browsers and operating systems. Here's a screenshot so you can see for yourself (Safari browser - looks fine in Firefox)
Searching..........

Thanks,

I'll get them to look at that. We can't even buy Mac's here.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

John is one of the fastest looking runners in the world...... (that he does the 100m in 18 seconds,.. well doesn't really matter,.. he looks faster than anybody.)

Just making a little fun here,. no worries.

lol

I like that.