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Yes, Don Quixote, but Matt was refering to them as being 2 statements which is more important than the actual content of the 2 statements.
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Blocking PR (sculpting) is nothing new. The nofollow did not make this all the sudden possible. It has always been possible. Use a simple javascript onclick and you get the exact same result. Usually one of your jobs as an SEO is to take out everything that potentially blocks search engines, not to add stuff that purposely blocks search engines.
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Yep. When he entered the room and said "Hi", one SEO-er asked: "Would you evaluate that statement a bit? Could you be more concise?"
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And I never trusted Matt Cutts, as I have mentioned endless of times in this forum and elsewhere, especially when members here were claiming that Matt Cutts is an authority. Matt Cutts recommended the use of the nofollow attribute, which I do not use on my site or on the sites of my customers. I already mentioned before that I use 302 redirects in combination with X-Robots in the .htaccess files. Because Matt recommended that? Or because other Googlers or respective SEO recommended that? For God's sake NOT! It is because Google has no chance to follow my links, no matter how much Google or other SE or bots, including bad bots would like to. Do you need facts? Let me know I will will demonstrate my technique here in the public live! Let me know if you want me to show off.
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Could you explain the relationship between individual rel="nofollow" attribute and 302 redirection? |
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Go to my clients page: Frequently Asked Questions - ForexNewsTrader.com In the main content area there is a link called web site. If you look at the link you will see it is /locate/?m=ccount2 If you click on the link, you will see it will lead you to the site here http:// live- forex -trading .com/ As you might see the index file in the locate folder is "index.php", since his hosting supports .php. So the link is: forexnewstrader.com/locate/index.php If you try to access that file clicking on the that link, you will be led to the homepage of his site. In addition the same thing happen on his page /locate/?m=ccount1 if you see the link in the main content Forex Auto Pilot Website it goes to http:// forexautopilot. com /?hop= ... So where does the juice go of those links, if any? Then to my clients homepage, or? Or are you claiming now that is goes to his affiliates? So who must be tired in this thread after all. You or me? So who is misleading the public. Me or you? I think now you can draw back that offensive statement. If you understood my post and technique here.
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You cannot selectively chose to admit that which supports your position, while rejecting that which does not. Calling 3 statements 2 will not it so. BTW, Matt's own words, "the second statement (choosing how to link within your site), " make it clear that he recognizes that the 1st sentence is indeed comprised of 2 statements, rather than 1.
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Any further questions? Or can I go on with my research and development? SEO Workers never sleep! And they never mislead!!! Just FYI!
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How do you like that? Is that good enough? I was planning to write a tutorial about how to implement our techniques, but I think it would not be a good idea, after reading your post. I think I share to much internal information here, and what a get is just a piece of ... you know what. I do not posts links to sites of others who most are just speculations and theories. I post facts developed from myself and my excellent team! My apologies to all for sharing all this information and for spoiling the thread. Good luck with the "nofollow" link condom technique! I prefer the sterilizing technique.
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I'm of the school that holds that there is no such thing as useless information, but rather information that one has not yet found a use for. So, please feel free to share, and let those who take issue which such see the chaplain about getting their TS card punched.
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Do they really recommend 302 for cheating purposes?
In the past that way was used often by shady SEO's to steal PR of linked external domains, under certain conditions, which caused a lot of angriness in the web world. Even if you can't steal it anymore, in this way you don't say "I am not sure about this link, I don't want to vouch for it", instead you say "It's all mine, just give me the PR", which is clearly misleading. That may have some sense for internal linking, but it is still cheating. You even don't know what you send to your chosen page. |
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If Google or anybody else discontinue supporting of any agreed protocol, we just can't fight it in any way.
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And I reveal my results, if my stuff are successful. Myself and my team have developed some even wore wicked stuff, which we fear to share with the public, only because those techniques can be abused and can blow up the web with spam, and no one will be able to deal with. Only if Google or other SE will start hacking the site owners servers. If I ever decide to switch to balck hat SEO, I sure will share. I already wrote down the above implementation techniques and published in my intranet for internal use (for team members only). In addition, I already use the redirect technique on my clients as I mentioned above. I will think twice if I will bring all the info in the public. I guess I already did with my post above anyway.
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Who said I am cheating? When I disallow a search engine to follow internal or external links on my site, means that I am cheating? What do you do with the "nofollow" attribute? Take it easy buddy. Besides Matt Cutts in his interview with Eric Enge mentioned that my technique is an alternative to the "nofollow" technique. So is Matt Cutts also going against Google himself? If I tell search engines that I do not want them to index or follow some of my pages am I deceiving them? You should not show search engines content you do not show to users. You still have the right to show content to your users and not to search engines. Or did I miss something again?
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This thread is getting too ridiculous for me. Sorry.
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I think someone here never understood the meaning of sneaky redirects, or cloacking. Is such an act called ridiculous?
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Where exactly does MC say that "your" technique is an alternative to the "nofollow"? Let me help you with the link: Matt Cutts Interviewed by Eric Enge on September 24, 2007 The only place where he mentions 302 is here: Quote:
"But...but he talks about robots.txt"... right? Please. How do you cheat? First you use 302 for actual 301, slightly breaking standards. Then, let's say you allow user comments with links. Soon you will have: "This great page", "Phentermine", "SEx Sex SEx", "BEST SEO" and some legitimate pages, everything flowing to your PR king. How do you call it? Last edited by activeco; 03-28-2008 at 09:49 PM. |
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And from now on, please facts and no theories or personal opinions please. And don't forget. I own my site and not the search engines. I will tell them or anybody else what they may index or follow, and not they.
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Particularly when, in this case, the protocol originated with Google!
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Can you be more specific?
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The 1st is the one you address, i.e. that their discoveries might prove to be more bane than boon. The other is best described by the adage that one can easily spot the pioneers, as they're the ones with the arrows in their backs!
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1) "nofollow" is a convention that was originated by Google, for Google's benefit; it is not a standard, but a proprietary implementation. 2) No one is obliged to assist any SE, including Google, in its endeavors. This means that one has the right to not allow Google's indexing engine to "pass PR" to an other's site. 3) Re-directs and meta-data for controlling the behavior of robots/spiders/crawlers are standards. And, per item 2), Webnaut's employing them in the manner described is well within his rights.
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Doing 302 and thinking 301 is. BTW, it's not "Google for Google", but a larger consortium who introduced it. Quote:
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PS - FWIW, SemAdvance hails from PA as well.
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Dear SEO experts I have no intention to go off topic, which I guess I am not.
My question is: What happen with Googles parameter "?googlebot=nocrawl" for internal linking? Googlebot: Keep out! Just wondering and pondering...
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Your meaning here is unclear to me. But, it's the intent that makes all the difference, and, what Webnauts is doing is not for nefarious purposes. It's the same difference that distinguishes "hackers" from "crackers."
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And does that mean we are Black Hat SEOs? Just because you are unable to backup your arguments? If so, I honestly feel sorry for you. ![]() Is it black hat if I do not share PageRank with affiliate sites? Is it black hat if I do not share PageRank with sites I would sell links for? Is it black hat if I do not share PageRank with irrelevant to my site's theme? Is it black hat if I do not make my redirects sneaky? Is it black hat if I do not share PageRank with sites that may be seen by Google, but not from myself as bad neighborhoods? Is it black hat when I decide where my Pagerank should flow? Very interesting.
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One more question for you activeco:
Why doesn't this page get indexed? Google & Yahoo Crawlability Is that another black hat technique of mine?
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What does that have to do with leaving Google stay in business? Aren't you capable to discuss about the core on-topic issues I mentioned above? If not, leave the irony and lets go ahead. If that was a attempt to make me go into the issue I do not want to mention in the public, then your attempt failed.
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Then you want to jump in and say that you have developed some stuff that if you were to share with the public it would blow up the web. That no one would be able to deal with it. Now, if your site was ranking #1 for search engine optimization, I might think twice about it. But I'd have to say at this point it is all B.S. |
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It is not about if you are capable to talk about any topic you want. It is if you can hold on the issues I mentioned above.
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So before we screw up this incredible cool thread, just tell us your position about the techniques I shared with you all here above Post 158, or stick to the original post, or anything else. Thanks. Peace.
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A 302 redirect does not pass pr and in the past there was a problem with directories using 302's and linking to a script, that then linked to your website. That script often contained a counter script. These redirects have hijacked peoples websites in the past.
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So I assume we both agree that it is a legitimate technique. Thanks again Janeth.
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But, only rational discourse is of value when dealing with empirical matters. That requires confining ones conclusions to that which can be logically derived from emprical facts, not merely from that which one takes to be the appearance of fact.
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If you very carefully read what has been said, both here and in related discussions, by more than a few, and rationally anaylze such, you will find that your beliefs regarding PR and SERPs are unfounded, that your claims to understanding that which we do not lack merit. If you wish to discuss technical matters in a like manner, then there be meaningful discussion; if, on the other hand, you wish to merely opine, what is to be gained?
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Why do you presume to know that which you cannot?
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Greetings - this is lively little thread. So can we see statements supported by evidence please.
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Can you be a bit more specific?
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If that is your intention, and you are not willing to contribute in this thread, just take your sand bucket and play somewhere else Janeth. Or can we stay on topic? Or should I also go off topic and start a discussion about how people claiming to be professional SEOs making themselves ridiculous? So lets just drop it here, before we screw up the thread totally, and lets get back to topic. Thanks. John
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You know, I was a big fun of hilarious Inspector Clouseau played by Petter Sellers in the legendary Pink Panther movie series. But this is the real life inspector. Some innocent people may take it seriously. Let's assume for a moment you really mean what you say. So, you suddenly discovered REP noindex, nofollow for an html document? Again, applying stuff without proper understanding of it . Do you have any idea why X-robots-tag was introduced? Maybe you used it even before you came with this art out of your secret lab. Have you ever heard of '<META name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow">'? And btw do you still use the 'googleoff' tags? Quote:
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To clarify: Who else is implementing the method I mentioned in this thread (Redirects 302 and X-Robots) as I mentioned above, instead of using nofollow. Or where did you read that elsewhere? Quote:
I am impressed of the level you debate, and I feel ashame that I joined such a low level discussion. End of story.
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