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Old 08-04-2006, 02:31 AM
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I am a real and total Newbie. I just can not get my head around SEO and I have a website that I tried to put together (not very well) and of course it is not doing any business and not getting clicks. I am now really short of money and therefore can not pay anyone to do the SEO or make the site look better. Oh well!!!
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Then perhaps you need to do Search Engine Marketing instead of Search Engine Optimization. That's the "next step" and I actually think it's the more important of the two.
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Then perhaps you need to do Search Engine Marketing instead of Search Engine Optimization. That's the "next step" and I actually think it's the more important of the two.
I am not getting that link to work right now BJ.
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Old 08-07-2006, 11:51 AM
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It's working now, Jaan. Actually, I'll most likely be switching hosts since I've been having intermittent problems with this one. Thanks for letting me know.
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Old 09-12-2006, 11:37 AM
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Great stuff. I will take all of the points seriously.
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Hi, look at my website please i have two www.hecp.org.uk & www.budgetwebs.co.uk I have just read about half the above thred and i am bewildered by it all. I thought i had made a couple of half decent sites but your techno talk is unknown to me, is it as im in uk & you are all somewhere else in the world.
harrychef please post your questions in another in its own thread. I going to delete this post.
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I dont realy know how this works yet. appologies to you all

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I dont realy know how this works yet. appologies to you all

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No worries harry, post a new thread and we will try to help!.
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Well it seems we are getting some fresh blood here lately in the WPW which is a great sign of the forum growth. I think some of the recent posts on WPW are pointing to the need for Newbie thread. I have usually pointed people to the HR newbie thread but I think we could create a useful one here.

I was thinking this thread could serve as great starting point for a recommendations on newbie thread. So if you have a few things that you would tell newbie to do to get kick started in SEO what would it be?

Here are mine:

1. Internal Navigation
Sure the search engines are getting better at learning to crawl complex websites, but you need to make as easy as possible. Avoiding JavaScript, Image Maps, Image Based navigation and session IDs are just a few of the pitfalls many newbie's miss. Create your navigation in CSS or standard text. One way to see if your navigation is easily crawlable is to check the Google cache and click on the link "Click here for the cached text only." If you can see your links in hyperlinked form you are probably ok. This is probably the most universal issue I see as a problem on SEO newbie's and even some of the largest online companies have in common. Get this fixed and do nothing else and you could see large improvements.

2. Why Are you The Best?
Maybe the 2nd most important item in marketing your website online is setting yourself apart. If your just another website that offers DVDs (or whatever) online for the same price as BMG, Best Buy, etc what makes your website better? The internet is network of interesting content, products and services. You must make you content, products and services stand out above the rest. How you do that is another story all together.

3. Links
OK in a perfect world you could make a great website with awesome content and it would rank fine. Our world is hardly perfect and the search engines not even close. The search engine will more than likely use some sort of linking weight in their algorithm, so after you build this great website, let the world know. Contribute in blogs, forums, messages boards relating to your website. Write articles. Contribute to the internet. Become an authority on what your website deals in and before you know it you will be getting those one-way links without even asking for them. This is truly the link you want. Remember their are no short term link building strategies, that work long term.

4. Content
a) OK obviously you cant just have a website made up of images and one sentences on each page. Text is the meat that those search engines love to cook and grub on. The more relevant text you can write on each page the better it is for the search engines and the better it is for your end users. One thing to remember here is not to squeeze to many subjects onto one page. Break pages out as much as possible. Check out this example:

http://orchidsbyohlman.com/Care.htm

What a great page full of great content, but much different content. The search engines rarely associate many keyword combinations to one page. So break it down for them. Each of the caring tips for the orchids should be broken down into its own page and expanded on even more.

b) I think a second point to consider when writing content is natural langue queries, personalization and local search. these will be the future of the search engine algorithm, so consider them when writing.

c) I will tell you right now. If you don't have a blog create one now. Blogs mean easy in-bound links to you, fresh content, and are easy to crawl, nuff said.

5. Title Tags
Another no-brainer. Looking at the example above, the website owner is not using unique title tags one each page. You must have this throughout your website.

6. Duplication
Sure we have heard all kinds of confusing horror stories on content duplication. Sure you want to avoid doing it, but I have yet to see Google or other search engines actual penalize for it. What the search engines do is rank one page over another and yes sometimes if they find a duplicate they will toss it in the supplemental index. If you call that a penalty fine, but I call it Google choosing one version to rank over another. Make sure you provide them with only one to rank! Also if you write an article just make sure to publish it on your website and WAIT a couple of weeks and then syndicate it. it will give the search engines time to associate you as the author/owner of it.

7. Competition
Please recognize who your competitors are. If you are going head to head with websites that have been online for years and maybe even decades then you should realize your SEO battle will be uphill and difficult.

8. Finance
If you are on a shoe-string budget or just have been burned by SEO's in the past and don't want to invest more money into now, this is OK. But please understand the leg work is now on you. Only expect "high-level" ideas and recommendations from forums. The best thing to do is to dive in and do the work yourself with the support of the forum. Don't rely on the forum as cure for your website marketing sickness, but rather a antibiotic that works within your body to heal.

9. Tracking
You better do it! If you don't know if your website is making you money, then who cares if it is optimized. Who cares if it is ranking? Who cares what Google PR it is? Two hundred #1 rankings mean nothing if you not making money off of them. That mind set is important. If you not tracking leads/sales then start now.

10. History
How long have you been online? Less than a year? More then 5 years? This makes an ENORMOUS difference. I don't care what anyone says. The longer you have been online the more likely you are to have good results. If you still don't have good results and you have been online for a while, don't fret. Your fixes should be take hold quicker in the search engines once you make them.

11. Code Bloat/Download Time
OK I understand you might be a SEO newbie, what do you know about coding websites, let alone inline CSS or JavaScript? Bottom line, your either going to need to learn or get someone who does know. No excuses here. It is becoming more important to have valid and easy to crawl code. I am not saying it is absolutely necessary. I see websites that rank all the time that are ridiculous when it comes to valid code, but if you can fix this, then do it. If should hire someone that will. The second part is to make sure you pages download in a reasonable time. Once again you will find slow websites ranking all the time, but get it fixed not only for the search engines, but for your end users.

12. One Change At Time
Sometimes even minor fixes of one of the concepts above is enough to make the jumps you target in the search engines. Take your time and evaluate changes one at time. Changing to many things at once can cause "Chasing Your Tail Syndrome"

These are just a few off the top of my head. I sure some other super members of WPW will have more.

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thank you very much, the information here is unmatched.
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Optimazing on Backend, difirent with Financial..there are no relation between them
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Old 01-24-2007, 03:23 PM
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Please recognize who your competitors are. If you are going head to head with websites that have been online for years and maybe even decades then you should realize your SEO battle will be uphill and difficult.
Or get rid of your competitors using SEDD ;)
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Thank You! As a newbie at SEO you've given me direction and I appreciate it!

I do have a question though. Concerning submitting to search engines. At one time I read that it wasn't a good idea to submit to google because google likes to find on its own links to your site. But now Google is beta-testing their new Sitemaps submission protocol. SENew as of 2005. Is this the way to go or is this old news and out of date.

Thanks for the help - if this is posted in the wrong place just let me know and I'll repost.
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Invaluable advice even to old hands at the Internet (but still not very good ones..! ;) )
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Its amazing and educative
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I also found some new info. Cognizable, ths.
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It is really nice article for the newbies like me. SEO is market standard these days without SEO a commercial website is a bin of trash.[/google]
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