Duplicate Content Vs Backlink query

[PhilT]

Hi all,

Just a question about submitting the same article to many article directories. You've all heard about about the duplicate content issue. I'm not really bothered by this since the worst I've heard is that Google will stick it in their supplemental index. I don't have time to rewrite each article 20 times as much as I'd like to. I'm just keen on getting backlinks to push each page up in rankings for a particular keyword phrase.

Is this cool? Or will google take the weight off backlinks that get stuck in the supplemental index?

Thanks

Phil

[khurramali]

You should first publish your articles on your own website. And only distrubute your articles on other websites after they have been indexed by Google, this way, your main website will be the original website. Google is smart so it will automatically put the duplicate articles in its supplimental index.

this way you do not have to worry about duplicate articles appearing on the internet.

[nashville]

I thought duplicate content only had to do with content on one domain name not on other domain names?

[itsdonny]

Originally Posted by nashville

I thought duplicate content only had to do with content on one domain name not on other domain names?

It's any website, not just your own.

[craigmn3]

I agree khurramali that first, the article should be indexed on your own site.
Now I am not sure what sites your are submitting to, but there should be enough side data (Links, Ads, and Other informational nonsense) on these article sites that it should diffuse the identicle content spam penalty. And if you are dealing with sites with high rankings you should be okay.

I am about 85% sure about this, but that 15% unsurity, would like some feedback. Up or down.

[SemAdvance]

Originally Posted by nashville

I thought duplicate content only had to do with content on one domain name not on other domain names?

Its actually looked at on your site

on other sites

for what reason its done

And from there Google and others to decide what to do.

If you look at this very site many of the pages could be considered duplicate content. A portion where we type changes, but for the most part all pages are duplicates of each other, and its ok as such within the search engines. (Or should be ;->)

There are 100s of newspaper sites online which carry the same news articles as does Google Yahoo & Msn. There is a filter applied and date of first inception is used...No penalty since this is how news has been distributed for centuries.

Most E-commerce sites could be considered duplicate content sites, but again this makes sense to the search engines.

Article sites do present a dupe content issue, which leaves the search engines to detect date of first inception and filter the clones to search hades....

Duplicating content on your own site and changing just a few words here and there is frowned upon by the search engines. Could result in filter or penalty depending on severity and purpose.

[bj]

I write and post on my own site, then rewrite ONCE and submit the rewrite to the article distribution sites. The rewrite is usually just a minor revision, with stuff switched around a bit, and a different opening sentence.

Bottom line is that way there's no dupe content on my own site. But I still get the relevant links back.

[thelocaltourist]

No need to worry about it. Google stopped using the supplemental index a few months ago: Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: The Ultimate Fate of Supplemental Results

[dann]

First of all submitting articles for Page Rank is futile unless you have earth-shattering news.
Who cares about duplicate content and what effect it will have on your website except you.
Search engines rely on authority, if you have a lowly blog, don't submit your article, keep it on your own turf.
If you really have something you want to share, that's great, submit and submit again.
If you are looking for long term Google SERPS forget it, this is short term at best.
If you stay within the boundaries of breaking news, you might get digged, otherwise, it's spam pure and simple and everyone knows it, including Googlegbot

Work on improving your blog or website and the links are sure to follow. Try to force it with crap inj the end nothing.

Search engines long ago recognized article directories as nothing more than a bloated link farm.
Hope this helps, Dan

[dann]

Supplemental Index=non-index.
Definition: Ran out of space

[Orion]

Originally Posted by dann

First of all submitting articles for Page Rank is futile unless you have earth-shattering news.
Who cares about duplicate content and what effect it will have on your website except you.
Search engines rely on authority, if you have a lowly blog, don't submit your article, keep it on your own turf.
If you really have something you want to share, that's great, submit and submit again.
If you are looking for long term Google SERPS forget it, this is short term at best.
If you stay within the boundaries of breaking news, you might get digged, otherwise, it's spam pure and simple and everyone knows it, including Googlegbot

IMHO...
keeping it on your own turf is not really a good idea, the SEs use date published not authority for dupe content, they have to otherwise they would be breaking a ton of laws including copyrights (crediting another site with an article).
This is more of a long term strategy than short term, it's something you do consistantly.. granted submitting a single article is short term, submitting one a month or per week is long term and there is a build up effect to it.
Not sure what you mean by getting dugg being spam?

Submitting articles leads to tons of business, and traffic to your site. the article / news sites that most of us submit our stuff to syndicate throughout newsletters and have a HUGE reader base. Sure we blog our articles or white paper them on our own sites, but then we submit them to the publishing sites. This is where most of the data on the net feeds from. Some of the site actually pay you to submit, but the main point of it all is that your articles get read, which builds up your credibility thus leading to a good bit more traffic to your website, and business.

The added traffic, the back links all benefit your SERPs in the end.. Face it, when people read your stuff, and say hey this person knows what they're talking about then they google YOUR name and your keywords WOW you (should) always show up in the top 10! lol

I wouldn't classify it as direct SEO, but definitely residual SEO development for sure! and honestly, the residual SEO stuff ends up being far more in the end simply because there is soo much more you can do.

It's just part of a good marketing strategy the same strategy that's been followed by corporations for centuries...

You are definitely right though, Dann, about improving your blog or website and the links are sure to follow.

[cupotico]

I ran a test at the beginning of 2006 till today on few articles: I wrote an article and posted on my site for few months, i waited it be index completely on all SE then submitted to few article directories just to see the reaction on google.
What happened eventually is that when i search a sentence from that article, I find few web site, but my original on my site is in the supplemental results.
My site is pretty strong and has the same page rank as the others on that SERP.
some of the site in the SERP don’t link back to my article or even mention my site it is easy for google to see that I’m am the original cause some other site on the SERP do mention my site ( not as a link unfortunately).
The google search is : "Despite its relatively tiny size, Manuel Antonio National " - Google Search
After the repeated My site is number #4

so from that poor experience (took me a year and half ) i have learned that i better keep the content on my site and not submit it. Wait till some site will pick it up and link back to the original.

[GoogleRankings]

Article links are worth very little as is, when you submit to multiple directories what little value that link is worth less... Why wouldn't this be the case? Article pages are generally orphaned pages or are deep into the site, they have no external links pointing to the page and yet a number pointing out. So article links are pretty worthless, unless you have a very good article in which case it should either go on your site or a industry leading site.

I wouldn't submit my articles to directories, why purposely create competition? It is my work, let them come to ME for it. I actively search out my work and I have it taken down if any of my articles are reproduced. I want my blog/sites unique and I want the people to come to me... that doesn't mean I don't allow people to use my work for reference...

Also contrary to popular belief the first copy to be indexed is not always, eternally seen as the original. The site with the most authority and links to their article generally are seen as the original... yours may have been indexed first but is it the most popular?

I had this problem over a year back... I started a new site, my content was all indexed, it ranked pretty good for medium competition and many long-tail phrases. Then one day an established site copied my whole site, every last drop of content was taken. Within days I lost most of my rankings for anything substantial and I noticed the thieves pages indexed.
Mine were indexed over a month before the thief stole my work... why didn't google see me as the original?
I had very few links, little authority and the thief had an established site, many links, authority and hence was seen as the original even though mine was indexed first... so contrary to popular belief indexing date is meaningless. I have seen this more than once.

Needless to say I had to start legal action against the thief and he did take it down... but it took a while before my rankings returned. Google really looks down on sites which copy the vast majority of their content from other sites.

[seo4china]

I would definitely agree with that. We have had many clients who have seen their sites copied by competitors (this is very common here in China), which in most cases put the content on older domains with PR2~4. When your site is new, there is just no chance for you to outrank the thieves. Reporting to Google doesn't help. I believe the same thing would happen with articles as well, unless you do a rewriting as someone said earlier.

[ddwebguru]

Hi all Merry Christmas (belated)
it's a interesting posting, I thought the topic is contradictory - I thought You should not use duplicate content because SE specially G can understood your duplicacy - so G can block the particular page So you can't get backlink because G does not index the duplicate page.......may I right?

Deb

[seo4china]

Well that's the theory, but the reality can be VERY different...There are definitely other factors than simply the age and location of initial posting...

[bockereyer]

Maybe this is a little bit off topic but there should be an easy way to prove your ownership to the SE's. I'm thinking about something like a XML-sitemap with an electronic ID. The first one who registers the article is the owner, simple, like registering a patent. SE's then can put your URL in the index as original content and the rest wherever they want to.

I have another question. If you submit an article to a distribution site aren't they obliged to put a link to the original content on your own website, if there is one of course?

[Feydakin]

It depends on the site.. Most article sites will leave your links intact.. But quite a few will strip the links and just keep your content.. It depends on the person running the site.. If you are using an article blasting service you don't have much control over this.. But if you are manually submitting the article to sites you can check how they list other articles to see how they will likely treat yours..

As for recognizing the source of an article, this has been an ongoing issue for a long while.. It's not uncommon for a site like Digg or Propeller to outrank the story they are linking to based on just the headline and a small portion of the text.. This is one of the major failings of a link based algorithm.. Sites with the most links tend to outrank the source site with fewer links..

Some ways to try to avoid this are to not copy/paste the first paragraph as a summary, but rather write a new and unique summary with a slightly different headline.. You can also get a handful of solid deep links directly to your article before you distribute the article.. You might also consider not distributing your article at all, but rather a shorter, condensed version that links to the longer, more complete version..

[GoogleRankings]

Originally Posted by bockereyer

Maybe this is a little bit off topic but there should be an easy way to prove your ownership to the SE's. I'm thinking about something like a XML-sitemap with an electronic ID. The first one who registers the article is the owner, simple, like registering a patent. SE's then can put your URL in the index as original content and the rest wherever they want to.

I have another question. If you submit an article to a distribution site aren't they obliged to put a link to the original content on your own website, if there is one of course?

Too much work, still wouldn't be perfect.

The easiest way is just monitor your site for content thefts and either send it to your lawyer or your web host... it doesn't take long with either.

Originally Posted by seo4china

I would definitely agree with that. We have had many clients who have seen their sites copied by competitors (this is very common here in China), which in most cases put the content on older domains with PR2~4. When your site is new, there is just no chance for you to outrank the thieves. Reporting to Google doesn't help. I believe the same thing would happen with articles as well, unless you do a rewriting as someone said earlier.

Rewriting doesn't help, not the way most of you do it. Change a few words and the article is still 80-90% the same.
Reporting to google doesn't work because millions of pages are copied, they can't resolve all your problems for you. It is foolish to believe they can. Hire a lawyer or hire someone who has done alot of work with online copy theft. Get them to deal with it for you.

[Peter (IMC)]

Articles published in article websites have the disadvantage that they very quickly fall deep into the site, making them pretty much unfindable and thus have very little value.

I would never submit articles that you also publish in your own site by the way. Either submit them or publish in your own website. Don't do both.

All the time and money spent on articles and article submissions, is better spent at getting your site mentioned in (local) newspapers and magazines. (will get you natural links as well)

[AussieWebmaster]

Originally Posted by khurramali

You should first publish your articles on your own website. And only distrubute your articles on other websites after they have been indexed by Google, this way, your main website will be the original website. Google is smart so it will automatically put the duplicate articles in its supplimental index.

this way you do not have to worry about duplicate articles appearing on the internet.

This is not absolutely true... if another site uses a higher PR page to yours to put the copy on - then you risk it becoming the canonical url and your page gets dropped

[Noise-Barrier]

i hadn't done any article submissions in a long time. but i actually just submitted an article to several directories about 2 weeks ago. can't tell you much about the backlinks and rankings yet but i can tell you i've seen traffic from the articles.

searching for the exact title of the article brings up:
#1 article in a directory
#2 a site that has a snippet of the article linking to the full article in a different directory
#3 a site that picked up the article from the directory at #1
(all of these have direct links back to my site)

looking at my analytics shows that in the 2 weeks since the article was submitted 20% of referral traffic came from the article on various web sites. some of the traffic came from the article on pages that are not even indexed by google.

unfortunately the timing of the article distribution was so close to the holidays it's difficult to determine if there was an increase in overall traffic since the site is b2b and seeing a slight drop in traffic during the holidays is to be expected. but i think that seeing 20% of all referral traffic came from the article is a good thing regardless.

so, in my recent experience submitting an article to several directories may or may not increase backlinks and rankings, it will however help boost traffic. and isn't that what you're looking for anyway?

[Orion]

Originally Posted by bockereyer

Maybe this is a little bit off topic but there should be an easy way to prove your ownership to the SE's. I'm thinking about something like a XML-sitemap with an electronic ID. The first one who registers the article is the owner, simple, like registering a patent. SE's then can put your URL in the index as original content and the rest wherever they want to.

Actually (at least in North America) copyright is based on the publish date of any article. In Internet that is the date that is it published (uploaded) to a publicly accessible webserver. ALWAYS hold onto your FTP log files they are gold in any copyright court proceedings. Screenshots with your windows calendar can help too. The other way you can prove copyright is to print the article (hard copy) and mail it to yourself (DO NOT OPEN THE ENVELOPE when you get it back). Lastly you can pay to register copyrights, however that's hardly worthwhile in North America since there are so many other ways you can prove that you created the unique work first.

Originally Posted by bockereyer

I have another question. If you submit an article to a distribution site aren't they obliged to put a link to the original content on your own website, if there is one of course?

That all depends on the way the arrangement is with each site. Ideally sites like that would allow you to syndicate your article to them via an RSS feed. However most of the article sites are looking for unique content themselves so actually hope that your article isn't published anywhere else. =o)

[Feydakin]

Originally Posted by Orion

Actually (at least in North America) copyright is based on the publish date of any article. In Internet that is the date that is it published (uploaded) to a publicly accessible webserver. ALWAYS hold onto your FTP log files they are gold in any copyright court proceedings. Screenshots with your windows calendar can help too. The other way you can prove copyright is to print the article (hard copy) and mail it to yourself (DO NOT OPEN THE ENVELOPE when you get it back). Lastly you can pay to register copyrights, however that's hardly worthwhile in North America since there are so many other ways you can prove that you created the unique work first.

The poor man's copyright has been invalidated far too many times in court to be of any use..

The practice of sending a copy of your own work to yourself is sometimes called a “poor man’s copyright.” There is no provision in the copyright law regarding any such type of protection, and it is not a substitute for registration.

U.S. Copyright Office - Copyright in General (FAQ)
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Poor Man's Copyright

Easily faked and therefore useless in court..

The same goes for ftp logs, screen shots with your calendar open, etc.. There is only one "real" and "legal" way to get a copyright and that is to file for one.. This does not mean that your work is not copyrighted and that you could loose a challenge in court without one, but to rely on the "easy" ways to protect truly valuable content is risky at best..

[khurramali]

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

All the time and money spent on articles and article submissions, is better spent at getting your site mentioned in (local) newspapers and magazines. (will get you natural links as well)

I can safely add TV and Radio to your list as well. It is easier than most people think to get a TV or Radio Station to run a story about their business.

The main thing to remember is to focus on your niche (unique product or service) that might be of interest to their audience.

See this website as an example Piano Lessons, Piano Lesson, Jazz Piano lessons - PIANOWEB.COM

[John Redfield]

Article submissions can be a good tool to augment traffic and IBL's.

Unique content on your website is also very important. If you submit articles they should be different from your web content, maybe some keyword terms are the same, but the actual substance of the article should be different.

If the article is well written and serves a solid purpose, it may be posted by webmasters looking for fresh content, or even lead to traffic back to your web site.

As others have mentioned, Googs Supplemental Index is History, so know worry there.

[gilbertimlay]

G'day to everyone,

this information is very usefull to me about Duplicate Content Vs Backlink query.
i also think about duplicate content. Duplicating content on your own site and changing just a few words here and there is frowned upon by the search engines. Could result in filter or penalty depending on severity and purpose.



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