backlink help

[ccnj]

I am a little bit confused as to why Google only sees one backlink to my site, where Yahoo, MSN and others see more. Any clues? BTW, the only Google backlink that is found is in my signature on this forum!

My URL, for anyone interested: Credit Card Processing & Complete E-Commerce Solutions

[incrediblehelp]

The site operator you using is not accurate. Google could very well see many more.

Have you signed up for Google Webmaster Tools?

[ccnj]

What do you mean by "site operator you using is not accurate. Google could very well see many more?" When I type in link:Credit Card Processing & Complete E-Commerce Solutions, I only get the one site that shows WPW's site.

And yes, I am signed up with their webmaster tools - anything there in particular I should be looking at?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

The site operator you using is not accurate. Google could very well see many more.

Have you signed up for Google Webmaster Tools?

[incrediblehelp]

Well yes JG look at your links in the Google Webmaster Tools than using the site: operator. GWT is pretty accurate while the site: operator is not. Not sure how else to explain it to you.

Also sign up for Yahoo Site Explorer for an even better look at back links.

[eUKhost.com]

Backlinks update is going on by Google. Let see if it shows better results after few days. Just wait for the backlinks update to finish.

[khurramali]

I agree the command link: is not accurate on Google if you use it in the search bar. By accurate i mean that it does not show you all the incoming links to your website.

Google Webmaster tools would show correct number of backlinks.

however, Yahoo shows you the correct number of incoming links even in the search field.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by eUKhost.com

Backlinks update is going on by Google. Let see if it shows better results after few days. Just wait for the backlinks update to finish.

Thanks for sharing this info. Can you tell how do you know that?

[mit]

About from the last BL update, Its seems like a strict update was there regarding back links and Pagerank.

What I have analysed is that - only relevant links or trusted links would be calculated as BackLinks now for any website.

[eUKhost.com]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Thanks for sharing this info. Can you tell how do you know that?

Well I got this information from various forums. This is one of them where few users have said their backlinks are updated.
The One-and-Only Google Update Thread (August 2007) - Webmaster Forum

[coolguy27]

Originally Posted by ccnj

I am a little bit confused as to why Google only sees one backlink to my site, where Yahoo, MSN and others see more. Any clues? BTW, the only Google backlink that is found is in my signature on this forum!

My URL, for anyone interested: Credit Card Processing & Complete E-Commerce Solutions

You can login to youre Google Webmasters account to see you backlinks...

Google only display samples of backlinks that's why....

If you want to see some of your backlinks you can use the link:mydomain.com on other SEs, surely you will see your backlinks...

and you can use this sites like backlinkwatch.com and rankalert.net


Hope this helps....

[Kamfor]

I have a website which appear to have 1 backlink according to the link: query in google. Webmaster tools shows 104 external links pointing to my site. However, Analytics displays 300+ referrals to my site. Why Webmaster Tools do not display all the referral sites? Those Analytics referrals are constantly counting over 300/month for at least a year so google definitely had the time to update the BL database...

[Peter (IMC)]

Originally Posted by Kamfor

I have a website which appear to have 1 backlink according to the link: query in google. Webmaster tools shows 104 external links pointing to my site. However, Analytics displays 300+ referrals to my site. Why Webmaster Tools do not display all the referral sites? Those Analytics referrals are constantly counting over 300/month for at least a year so google definitely had the time to update the BL database...

Referals can come from pages that are not indexed by Google, and through links from inside webmail. Search engine result pages for example can be counted as referals,. those are not indexed either.

[qh4dotcom]

Google search may not show all backlinks from sites with low PageRank

[thorfjalar]

"why Google is only seeing one backlink to his site whenever Yahoo, MSN and other search engines are seeing more"

First thought: Maybe because Google see's what Yahoo, MSN and other are seeing!?
Want's to be different?

[nipplecharms1]

Originally Posted by qh4dotcom

Google search may not show all backlinks from sites with low PageRank

Define low please. 0? 1? 2? is 6 good?

Thanks

Michael

[mothproof]

Also, try to maximise your anchor text keywords.
you wont believe it but there was a time when i <a href-ed words like Click Here, or See More, instead of using my keywords.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by mothproof

Also, try to maximise your anchor text keywords.
you wont believe it but there was a time when i <a href-ed words like Click Here, or See More, instead of using my keywords.

Back to year 2000 I did the same.

[jtracking]

Well! I'd still like to know how we can find out if there's an update going around as in the backlink update with google...

[Peter (IMC)]

Originally Posted by jtracking

Well! I'd still like to know how we can find out if there's an update going around as in the backlink update with google...

Updates like that don't happen anymore in a "lets update the index" kind of fashion.

The index is constantly updated. A continued update as Google bot goes through the internet. I believe they called it everflux. The result is that you never see any Google Dance kind of SERP behaviour. You'll see the SERP's change every now and then for your keywords, but other people won't notice a thing,. for them it happens a bit later.

Also, because of the everflux, things get updated much more frequently, which results in much smaller changes in the SERP's.

The only thing that can still have a index wide effect is when they're tweaking algorithms, which is something that happens more than you'd think if I understand Matt Cutts correctly. Mostly its small tweaks which have a very specific purpose like getting rid of some spamsites for 1 specific keyword. So you wouldn't really notice it either unless it's your keyword. But if they change their logic on a specific factor, then you'd see a huge shake in the SERP's,.. we all remember updates like that...

[irodgers]

Originally Posted by coolguy27

You can login to youre Google Webmasters account to see you backlinks...

Google only display samples of backlinks that's why....

If you want to see some of your backlinks you can use the link:mydomain.com on other SEs, surely you will see your backlinks...

and you can use this sites like backlinkwatch.com and rankalert.net


Hope this helps....

Nope, none of those show all the backlinks for my site (Homes by Speyside Developments - Surrey and Home Counties property developer).
Notably - Welcome to SearchSight.com! which has quite a few PR3 links. For example -
Directory Listing for United Kingdom, Real Estate at SearchSight.com

[khurramali]

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

Updates like that don't happen anymore in a "lets update the index" kind of fashion.

The index is constantly updated. A continued update as Google bot goes through the internet. I believe they called it everflux. The result is that you never see any Google Dance kind of SERP behaviour. You'll see the SERP's change every now and then for your keywords, but other people won't notice a thing,. for them it happens a bit later.

I agree, 100%

one problem on most SEO forums if mis-information. Its like: the blind, leading the blind.

[Traffic Master]

So, how can we filter the information we get SEO forums. The forums are meant to inform rightly.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by Traffic Master

... The forums are meant to inform rightly.

I absolutely don't agree. Forums are for exchanging ideas, experiences, knowledge etc.

So that does not work.

[Traffic Master]

What's the purpose behind sharing ideas and experiences. It is to impact knowledge. You're informing with the aim to enlighten and not to confuse others.

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by Traffic Master

What's the purpose behind sharing ideas and experiences. It is to impact knowledge. You're informing with the aim to enlighten and not to confuse others.

Is there someone here who can judge what is right and what is wrong? Don't you see that most people are sure that they are right?

[Peter (IMC)]

Forums are a comunity in which you can talk about things with other interested people. The last thing you should expect is that everything written in a forum is 100% correct. These are opinions mostly and even if somebody seems to be sure (writing styles are different for everybody and things are always open for interpretation) that doesn't mean it is 100% correct. If you want 100% correct you should go to school (though one could argue what you learn at school is open to interpretation as well,. )

If people would be oblied to be 100% correct always, then very few words would be spoken...

You're informing with the aim to enlighten and not to confuse others.

Not really,... Informing isn't really the purpose. I'm not a teacher. I write because I have something to say. Keeping it all inside is no fun and others can read it and do what they want with it. I would be too arrogant if I'd believed that everything I say is going to enlighten people. Some people will learn new stuff,.. others will be like: Yeah yeah, I knew that already.

[khurramali]

Originally Posted by Traffic Master

You're informing with the aim to enlighten and not to confuse others.

that is why we have these ranks like "WebProWorld Veteran" and "Moderators". IMO, mostly moderators are 90% correct.

Also because SEO is not an exact science so no one is 100% correct, you need filter out the useful info from the useless info.

there is a saying, That when I thought I finally knew the answers to all the questions. They changed the Questions."

This is the kind of game, search engines are playing, and our industry is growing at a fantastic speed, there is abundance of knowledge, but most of it is outdated.

So you will find people in the industry working their A*s off on factors which have been outdated.

Just read your signature, Mr. Traffic Master and you will know what i mean.

That is why people like me are in business

[kgun]

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

If you want 100% correct you should go to school (though one could argue what you learn at school is open to interpretation as well,. )

Definitely not. At most schools you learn that the equation x*x+1=0 has no solution.

At undergraduate courses in mathematics at most universities, perhaps not in Russia, you learn that integrting over a point on the x axis has integral zero. The Dirac Delta function is "so infinite" that it has all its mass in the origin and therefore has integral 1 over a single point. A single point has length zero. Nobody has ever seen a point on the real line, but a lot has seen an inteval of unit lenght.

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

If people would be oblied to be 100% correct always, then very few words would be spoken...

I agree to that.

Related link:

Back Link Analyzer Link Popularity Software (Beta)

[Traffic Master]

I just joined this forum, I'm enjoying the discusion here, but it's difficult to read. Because the default text size is so small with single line spacing - one has to strain to read. I don't know where to compalin about this, so I guess I'll just say it here. Please, they should increase the default text size and line spacing...so it can be easy to read.

And, you SEO guys talk so much here. Some of your replies are as long as maybe 1000 words. Do you have to say so much to get a point across.

[wige]

kgun, if x * x + 1 = 0, then x = i and I = hate math. (Can be checked by squaring 1i, (1 *1 = 1) * (i * i = sqr(-1)) = -1 so x * x = - 1 or x * x + 1 = 0 or "I am seeing red" so I = hate math evaluates true.

Yes, it is possible to be 100% correct about SEO. Simply get a job at Google, MSN and Yahoo, at the same time, with access to the current versions of the algorithms. If you don't have that, though, all thats left is pure speculation tainted by the occasional snippet of fact dropped by someone at an SE, mixed with outdated and/or incorrect theories based on varied interpretations of the SERPS.

As far as the links, my speculation based on personal observations, and accurate, inaccurate and misinformed information I have come across is that no tool will be 100% accurate. There are going to be links coming from places that the spiders just don't go, your logs can show falsified information (bots and other utilities lie and forge referral information), the backlink tools either are based on incomplete databases, or just take an aggregate from Yahoo and MSN, Yahoo and MSN only report the backlinks that they have been able to find, but not necessarily up to date, and Google only shows a percentage of the backlinks that it knows about, based on a combination of quality, type and relevance between sites, and Webmaster tools, which is probably most accurate, can be out of date by 3-15 days.

It seems to me like Google took a very different approach toward the link: operator than the approach taken by MSN and Yahoo. While the other two set up the operator to show as full and complete a list as possible for reference use by a webmaster, Google seems to look at this as a query from a visitor, saying "these are similar, quality sites that linked to the site you asked about."

[mjtaylor]

Originally Posted by Webnauts

Is there someone here who can judge what is right and what is wrong? Don't you see that most people are sure that they are right?

John (webnauts) has an excellent point. If we knew exactly what was right and wrong, or if it stayed the same, we could just read the book.

But SEO is an ever evolving body of knowledge and practices (with an emphasis on practice) as the SEs are constantly updating the algorithms in an effort to improve relevance.

John and I, for example, often agree to disagree on some points, such such as whether validated code matters in SEO. And yes, we both think we are right, and no one can say definitively which of us is wrong. One can offer an *opinion*, but not a definitive answer.

So, in a forum such as this, the user must come to their own conclusions based on their sense of the information shared, the logic of the presentation, past posts, what's posted on other forums and blogs, and their own experience.

One learns to take many pronouncements with a grain of salt unless the poster is known to be trustworthy, or to question the source, as John did above when he said, hey, thanks for sharing, what makes you think so? And even when you know the poster is reliable, usually on the mark, that grain of salt is needed. Even Inc'Help could be wrong, though I have yet to think so.

The practice of SEO is not science ... it is part science, yes, but there is always an important element that is almost indefinable ... call it art, experience, intuition or what you may ...

MJ (one who loves to be right)

[Peter (IMC)]

Because the default text size is so small with single line spacing - one has to strain to read.

Maybe you wanna set your monitor for less than 1500+ pixels,.

[Traffic Master]

Yeah! I'll do that.

[terryson01]

Thanks for all views. thanks