Changed main title line with disaster

lostwebnewbie · #1 (**permalink**) 06-25-2007, 09:40 PM

I changed my title twice and I went from number 10 down to 50 in yahoo for the term rc glider. Then also dropped even more down to number 96 for rc gliders.

This is how not to make a website. Im clueless when comes to design or even a way to upload to it. It was made with blogger templates.

RC Glider World Hobbies Thermal DS Hand Launch Gliders Glider Tips *******&nbsp******&nbsp

perry321 · #2 (**permalink**) 06-25-2007, 11:43 PM

Who knows. Search engines do strange things.

But look at it this way...everybody, including their cousin changes their keywords and title around now and then. If this has them dropping in rank, you'd hear A LOT about it.

If you didn't do anything else, I woudn't worry about it. That's just the way search engines are at times. And don't get me started on them!

timmathews.com · #3 (**permalink**) 06-26-2007, 01:25 AM

Lost,
Have you tried putting the title back to what it was?
Can you list the original title, and the 2 revisions?
We could offer more info if you do this...

phx-keith · #4 (**permalink**) 06-26-2007, 02:44 AM

Also post what search phrases you are looking to get index under. There are a lot of factors. It is not actually a science and it is not an art either.

It's tricky. I had two keywords on the first page of google, msn, and yahoo. Went after more search phrases and now I'm all over the board.

It's a learning process and it takes a lot of time.

mit · #5 (**permalink**) 06-26-2007, 06:58 AM

I have analyzed that Yahoo wants more keyword and phrases in Title, Description and keywords meta tags.

Try out with some more keywords in your title and then see.

**crankydave** · #6 (**permalink**) 06-26-2007, 12:32 PM

Here's your source code...

Code:

<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>
RC Gliders Glider World Hobbies DS Thermal Gliders Tips      &nbsp;&nbsp&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp
</TITLE>

<SCRIPT language="javascript">
<!--
	window.defaultStatus = "Helping YOU hit the Lift Glider World Hobbies, Inc. - All rights reserved.";
//-->
</SCRIPT>



</head>

<FRAMESET rows="100%" cols="118,*" frameborder="0" framespacing="0">

<FRAME NAME="menu" SRC="menu.shtml" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" frameborder="0" noresize>


<FRAME NAME="MAIN" SRC="mainglider.html" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" frameborder="0" noresize>


</FRAMESET>
<noframes>YOU DONT HAVE A BROWSER WITH FRAME CAPABILITY, U NEED ONE TO VIEW THIS PAGE!</noframes>
</body>
</HTML>

There's nothing, other than your title, to rank the page for.

Dave

incrediblehelp · #7 (**permalink**) 06-26-2007, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crankydave

There's nothing, other than your title, to rank the page for.

Dave is right. Much to learn. Considering starting with these links:

Sticky: All you need for Search Engine Optimization (SEO)

Sticky: SEO, Where Do I Begin?

SEOmoz: Beginner's Guide to SEO

The Quick Kick-Start Guide to Search Engine Optimization

The SEO Playbook - Welcome to the Rabbit Hole Alice

Changing the title is not the reason for the drop only.

jtracking · #8 (**permalink**) 06-26-2007, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crankydave

There's nothing, other than your title, to rank the page for.

I would take out the second Glider kw cause well, it is spammy, search engines know that the plural for glider is gliders...

Clicken · #9 (**permalink**) 06-26-2007, 09:42 PM

Quote:

<TITLE>
RC Gliders from Glider World Hobbies DS Thermal Gliders Tips  &nbsp      &nb sp
</TITLE>

There are many factors but I wonder if this ,...      &nbsp in the title could be part of the problem?

incrediblehelp · #10 (**permalink**) 06-26-2007, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clicken

There are many factors but I wonder if this ,...      &nbsp in the title could be part of the problem?

Nah they cut it off, but I would delete it anyways.

RC Gliders from Glider World Hobbies DS Thermal Gliders Tips - Google Search

timmathews.com · #11 (**permalink**) 06-27-2007, 12:24 AM

Is Lost MIA or what?
Hit and run?

**crankydave** · #12 (**permalink**) 06-27-2007, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clicken

There are many factors but I wonder if this ,...      &nbsp in the title could be part of the problem?

Naw. The problem is the frames. There's no text on the page. Search any unique string of text from the page and you get nothing... nada.

If it were up to me, I'd rebuild the site without using frames. Get everything on page so the SE's have something to index.

Otherwise, he needs to utilize the <noframes> tag. By adding solid, descriptive text and navigation links within the <noframes> tag the SE's will have something to index. Do a search for what's in the tag now and see what happens.

Again, I think the best thing to do for now, and the long run, is to ditch the frames.

Hope you're still here lostwebnewbie!

Dave

Clicken · #13 (**permalink**) 06-28-2007, 02:47 PM

That makes sense, sandbox...

Quote:

<noframes>YOU DONT HAVE A BROWSER WITH FRAME CAPABILITY, U NEED ONE TO VIEW THIS PAGE!</noframes>

This is where the problem is... Code to recreate the 'framed' version of the page.

Frames or no frames any site not done properly will suffer in the SERPS. It is just a hastle to work with frames because of the duplicate pages needed. Web designers must decide if the frames are best for the site... One style does not suit all.

Webnauts · #14 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007, 09:53 AM

Frames are far beyond suckiness. But if you are not willing to improve your site doing a redesign, you might could try this alternative:

Put your navigation and a short text description about the content of your homepage into <NOFRAMES> (part of your main frame), to help the spiders understand the context of the page when visiting your site.

Webnauts · #15 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007, 10:01 AM

Though a common problem that occurs when you use frames is that the search engines will often display one of the internal pages in your site. If the internal page does not contain a link to the home page of your site or its own navigation menu, the user will be unable to navigate through your entire site.

This problem can be fixed by placing a link on each internal page to your home page including the attribute TARGET = "_top". This will prevent your framed site becoming nested within your own frames.:

Code:

<a href="index.html" target="_top">Back to home</a>

That is all I can tell about frames so far.

Clicken · #16 (**permalink**) 06-30-2007, 02:12 PM

I am glad that you clarified the ‘suckiness’ comment Wenbnauts saves me a paragraph, now I will address this one…

Quote:

But if you are not willing to improve your site doing a redesign, you might could try this alternative:

Quote:

Put your navigation and a short text description about the content of your homepage into <NOFRAMES> (part of your main frame), to help the spiders understand the context of the page when visiting your site.

By trying the ‘Alternative’ the frames will be used properly and hence IMPROVED. However I would suggest more than a short description, a recreation of the framed look as I have done with my framed site.

Frames require an extra effort, perhaps that is the ‘suckiness’ part but to use them or not use them depends on the purpose of the site and the capabilities of the webmaster.

The RC Glider site from my perspective doesn’t seem to qualify as needing the frames but that can be decided later, once the recreation has been completed.

I started my recreation with the navigation. It was java applet which received some complaints and needed attention fast. It was a simple place to start learning the css coding as well.

Then I recreated the <noframes></noframes> code, well jurgen helped with most of it. Now my index page was ready to please the spiders while I finished the other pages. When those were completed I could have dropped the frames however for my sites purpose it will be worth the extra effort at this time.

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