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Old 02-21-2007, 01:05 PM
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Default H1 Problems with IBP

Hi all,

I have just create a new website for our company, and I am using IBP (Internet Business Promoter) to try to have a better ranking on the search engines.

When I make my website analyze with IBP, it's say that the software doesn't recognize my H1, H2,...

You will see below a H1 tag copy that I use in my site:

<td height="40" colspan="8" valign="top" class="H1">Quality print and design.</td>

And here is my website address: www.select-print.org

Is there anyone who could help me to solve this problem?

Thank you,
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Old 02-21-2007, 02:58 PM
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Welcome Laurent,
I have gone through your site code but unable to find h1 tag itself for your homepage. Are you sure you have it….
One more thing; for getting better ranking at SE’s you have to concentrate on SEO ie getting more relevant backlinks, fresh & updated content and all other stuff…
( don’t just relies on automated SEO tools )
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Better organize your site's structure. Especially on those SEO factors mentioned by andy.
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Welcome laurent128,

You may also be interested in this thread:
http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=72331

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You will see below a H1 tag copy that I use in my site:

<td height="40" colspan="8" valign="top" class="H1">Quality print and design.</td>
class=H1 isn't the same as if you did

<td height="40" colspan="8" valign="top"><h1 class="h1">Quality print and design.</h1></td>

You need to use the actual H1 tag for IBP or for search engines to recognize things as a heading.

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Something that would help with your SEO is if you validate your html. None of your images have alt tags completed either.

see:
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbos...t-print.org%2F

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Something that would help with your SEO is if you validate your html. None of your images have alt tags completed either.

see:
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbos...t-print.org%2F

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I would think that anyone would/could benefit by this.
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Old 02-22-2007, 01:02 AM
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Default HI / IBP

Thank you all for your messages.

It's the first time I use this forum and I have to say that it's very friendly and useful.

I tried to put the <H1> Tags as XXXXX said, but now there is a big gap between the H1 Titles and the text below these Titles. Please check the link below and you will see what I mean:
www.select-print.org/index2.html


Coming back to the message sent by Iany:
"Something that would help with your SEO is if you validate your html. None of your images have alt tags completed either. "

I am currently using 'alt tags' on all my images. is there a mistake in the tags ? If someone could also advise me on this, I would really appreciate.

Laurent
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Old 02-22-2007, 01:51 AM
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Try adjusting your h1 tag margin in your css.
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:23 AM
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You have 11 images without alt tags.
see
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbos...t-print.org%2F
I think you will find that most of these are your menu gifs.
Even spacer gifs need an alt tag. alt="" will validate. However, it is better to have an alt tag as not only will the site be fully accessible to those with a visual impairment but will be visible to search engines.

However, if you have a look at the above link you will find a whole bunch of other html markup errors (34 in total) for you to have fun sorting.

If you need any further assistance here correspond thro a pm.

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Old 02-22-2007, 07:55 AM
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... it's alt attributes, not alt tags, people

the tag is img, a, h1, b, etc, etc

the attributes are alt, title, href, class, id, etc, etc

I reckon that there's no harm in being precise about this ...
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Hi there,

I would just have the <h1> tag with all its attributes in the CSS file. Why create sth like <h1 class="h1"> when it can be so easy?

But, question with regard to the attribute "alt": What would you put then in the alternate text for a spacer gif (if you do not want to leave it empty)? I struggle to find a suitable text.

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Old 02-22-2007, 10:09 AM
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Default H1 Problems with IBP

You should just use the <h1></h1> on the titles that you are using instead of h1 as a class. You can defined what attributes the h1 will have in your css. Think of the alt tags as a description, so for your images. The reason IBP wasn't recognizing your h1 because it was a class not an element. Use the tag above and it will recognize it.

I hope this helps
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Old 02-22-2007, 12:21 PM
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Default H1 and H2

You kind of go in and out of the correct way doing this. As in the below example of your code...

Your spans should not be spans... make those spans actual H1 and H2 tags by themselves - don't use classes in the instances you have below, rewrite your HTML tags... Classes should be used rarely and only on special occasions! You want to stick to plain HTML as much as possible but stylize your HTML with CSS attributes to help with the presentation and SEO of your site (as well as reducing code glut and maintenance times).

Fix this by giving your H1 and H2s the attributes of the "Header_title_blue" class or wherever else it is relevant and switch them all out and you will be fine.

<td width="20" align="left" valign="top" class="H2"><span class="Header_title_blue">&gt;&gt;</span></td>
<td width="112" align="left" valign="top" class="H2">Print Process
&amp; Services </td>
<td width="20" align="left" valign="top"><span class="Header_title_blue">&gt;&gt;</span></td>
<td width="112" align="left" valign="top"><span class="H2">Digital &amp; Offset Equipment </span></td>
<td width="20" align="left" valign="top"><span class="Header_title_blue">&gt;&gt;</span></td>

<td width="112" align="left" valign="top"><span class="H2">Print &amp; Design Portfolio </span></td>
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Quote:
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... it's alt attributes, not alt tags, people

the tag is img, a, h1, b, etc, etc

the attributes are alt, title, href, class, id, etc, etc

I reckon that there's no harm in being precise about this ...
Oops, I stand corrected. Whatever they are called, the alternative attributes for all images need to be defined
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But, question with regard to the attribute "alt": What would you put then in the alternate text for a spacer gif (if you do not want to leave it empty)? I struggle to find a suitable text.

lala
Suitable text is nothing, i.e. alt="". Just having the attribute defined, even if blank, will make it valid.

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Cheers Brian:-)

This would be ok with regard to software for blind people? Would they not wonder what the pics are?

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Cheers Brian:-)

This would be ok with regard to software for blind people? Would they not wonder what the pics are?

lala
Jaws and the other programs just skip pictures with blank alt text, so they won't wonder at all.

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Hi there,

I have been trying to validate my tags, but there is still few of them that I can't solve... So far, I already corrected 25 of them (left 10 to correct). http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...line&verbose=1

The errors are from the Flash Animation, and the background image.

Also, when I am going to: http://www.select-print.org/index-test7.html we can only see a part of the animation.

I would appreciate is someone could provide me some help.

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Something that would help with your SEO is if you validate your html. None of your images have alt tags completed either.
see:http://validator.w3.org/check?verbos...t-print.org%2F
I'm having a terrible time trying to figure out which DOCTYPE to choose. I have obviously chosen the wrong one and it is creating havoc with the rest of the validation.
Anybody know where there is a simple (and I do mean simple) explanation of which DOCTYPE is for which kind of page?
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Default Link with info Doctype declaration

http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html

Got this piece of advice from Webnauts (thanks again, great site)...

Hope this helps...

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Thanks for the link, but I've scoured that page before. There are 18 different types of DOCTYPES. My problem is in trying to figure out which one applies to my page? Where do you go to find how how to delineate between the 18 different types?

If I'm not mistaken, if you get the DOCTYPE wrong, the rest of the page is interpreted incorrectly. I do't know what kind of problems that causes, but it can't be good.
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Using HTML 4.01 for example:
You would have to choose either the strict, transitional or the frameset doctype declaration. For a frame-document choose the frame doctype declaration, use the transitional one if you still were to use deprecated tags and the strict one if you adhere totally to the W3C standards. You can go to http://validator.w3.org/ to check if your site conforms with W3C standards.

Unfortunately, I cannot help with XHTML etc. Mayby someone else can...


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Thanks lala, but what it tells me is that the code doesn't match the DOC statment, or in other words, "You got the wrong DOCTYPE, stupid!"
(sigh) Okay, and so how do I figure out which is the correct DOCTYPE?
It's kinda like seeing your blood spurting out of your arm while the paramedic asks what your blood type is. I don't know -- it's RED!

I'll bet a lot of others are also looking for that place that gives easy explanations of all the DOCTYPE choices, so we can get our basic direction correct at the top of the page. Surely, it's all explained in a "DOCTYPES For Dummies" website out there somewhere.
Anybody got any ideas?
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I'll bet a lot of others are also looking for that place that gives easy explanations of all the DOCTYPE choices, so we can get our basic direction correct at the top of the page. Surely, it's all explained in a "DOCTYPES For Dummies" website out there somewhere.
Anybody got any ideas?
Would this help? http://www.highdots.com/css-editor/h...l/doctype.html
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Webnauts,
This again is a great site. Cheers!

Garris,
I hope this helps...If not, feel free to send me your url and I will check for you.

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Yeah. That's what I'm looking for. Great site.
And thanks for your help.
Sometimes the simplest obstacles can seem so hard to get around.
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