Wikipedia Boosting Ranking?

[Brightmaster]

Hi there,

New poster but being watching the forums for a few months, so apologise if this has already come up but il raise it anyway.

Can uploading your information onto Wikipedia boost your rankings- keeping in mind that you have optomized copied it and included anchor text? many times you will see wiki come up for information.. so surely this means that if your clever enough you can make it work to your advantage?

has anyone tried it/done/failed at it. etc?

any insight would be great

Brightmaster

[Feydakin]

You info will most likely be removed within hours by another editor at Wiki.. They are very agressive about removing anything even remotly promotional, as they should..

Add to that, even if it manages to stay up, wiki has started adding nofollow to the links so they don't pass any juice anyway..

[Brightmaster]

ok kewl. sound advice thanks. i may look into a bit more. i guess if you have relevant info that doenst seem to be promotional they dont mind. however sayin that lots of other products are available up there and you can have external links to the your website.

[optimalwebsite]

I concur with the above, wiki admins are very aggressive in patrolling articles and deleting irrelevent sources. That said, if you have useful content then it shouldn't be a problem. A client had a vid clip of a town which I added as a reference to the wiki article on said town. The link's still there, and he gets a fair number of hits. It helps to have a very value neutral, informative and useful page buried in ur site.

[incrediblehelp]

Also WikiP uses the nofollow attribute now, so no link love/juice is "supposed" to be passed to your website from there.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Also WikiP uses the nofollow attribute now, so no link love/juice is "supposed" to be passed to your website from there.

and now, they get all the choice goog rankings while the articles they reference do not. awesome decision...

[Webnauts]

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Also WikiP uses the nofollow attribute now, so no link love/juice is "supposed" to be passed to your website from there.

That sounds very OK for me. :)

[ctabuk]

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Also WikiP uses the nofollow attribute now, so no link love/juice is "supposed" to be passed to your website from there.

That I am very pleased to say is very far from the facts.
England, Sheffield, United Kingdom
88-107-195-155.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (88.107.195.155)
http://www.counciltenantsmortgages.c...y-changes.html
http://www.counciltenantsmortgages.c...y-changes.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Buy_Scheme

I get loads of hits. I write informative articles on Social Housing in the UK and they always add my link.

[westie]

I don't know why there is so many problems over the subject of wikipedia links. Just check any page in wiki and they nearly all have a large number of outbound links on them.

If there are 50-80 OBL then there is not much link juice to pass anyway!

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

That I am very pleased to say is very far from the facts.

huh? I am not talking about the traffic you get, rather the "link juice" aka SEO benefits from the links.

[ctabuk]

LOL - But the whole point of SEO is getting your site listed and if people search Wiki I don't honestly mind if it does not give me links - and I don't wish to see people put off from writing features just for the lack of a link. It's traffic that counts - not glory.

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

LOL - But the whole point of SEO is getting your site listed and if people search Wiki I don't honestly mind if it does not give me links - and I don't wish to see people put off from writing features just for the lack of a link. It's traffic that counts - not glory.

We are the same page. No denying that WikiP gives some great targeted traffic. I was just commenting on the fact that you can expect those links to count less in the overall backlinks side of things if the SE's adhere to the nofollow attribute.

[Webnauts]

I hope I am not going off topic, if I share with you want I found about nofollow tags: 13 Reasons Why NoFollow Tags Suck

[janeth]

I dislike nofollow tags and hate to see that the search engines cause the webmaster to do what they were unable to do.

But because of the nofollow tags the links from Wikipedia are not going to help you rank better in the search engines.

[ctabuk]

Sorry Janeth but in reality this is still happening and has been for some time.
7th in Yahoo on one of my search terms
Right to buy scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
... council housing the right to buy the home they are living in. ... The Right to buy scheme is a policy in the United Kingdom which ... Right to Buy Changes ...
Quick Links: External links
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_buy_scheme - 16k - Cached - More pages from this site

And there I sit in the external links - I don't even bother trying normal SEO for Yahoo it seems to mostly feed off MIVA Mortgage ads on my subjects. So this is just a bonus. And Yes the link does work LOL

[janeth]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Sorry Janeth but in reality this is still happening and has been for some time.
7th in Yahoo on one of my search terms
Right to buy scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
... council housing the right to buy the home they are living in. ... The Right to buy scheme is a policy in the United Kingdom which ... Right to Buy Changes ...
Quick Links: External links
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_buy_scheme - 16k - Cached - More pages from this site

And there I sit in the external links - I don't even bother trying normal SEO for Yahoo it seems to mostly feed off MIVA Mortgage ads on my subjects. So this is just a bonus. And Yes the link does work LOL

None of those sound very competitive to me and there are another 1000 reasons why they could be ranking that have nothing to do with Wikipedia. Sites rank everyday that are not getting links from Wikipedia.

Wikipedia uses a nofollow tag and all three major search engines honor that nofollow tag and do not count the links coming from those sites.

Just my two cents according to the nofollow tag and the way the major search engines claim to treat them.

[ctabuk]

Good Morning Janeth.
Well I must just be lucky then.
My Morning stats
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England, London, United Kingdom
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England, Leeds, United Kingdom
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http://www.counciltenantsmortgages.c...y-changes.html
http://www.counciltenantsmortgages.c...y-changes.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Buy_Scheme

2 Hits - 2 new enquiries and one more for Homebuy Scheme

[janeth]

Good morning to you also. (:

But what does your stats prove?

I've had a heck of a lot of visitors today and have even sold a job and I don't have any links from Wikipedia that I know of.

[Brightmaster]

Hey there,

Ok so yeh wikip does use the no follow tag, but surely its gotta beneifit if you have your link on the 'External Links' bits. it does mean if anyone looks at it at least u have a chance at getting ppl to your site. which honestly cant be a bad thing.

Now- you can your add to an existing pages and it ususally gets accpeted. however i think that uploadin your own page for extra brownie SEO points maybe be a problem area.

In short...do we think about searching pages related to our pages and link them on wikip?

[ctabuk]

The stats prove that by writing articles for Wiki and asking nicely to have your site pages linked that the earch Engines still place those links on pages 1 or 2 and that it creates business. Like I said - maybe I'm just lucky but Google still shows Wiki results as do all the others.

[ctabuk]

Originally Posted by Brightmaster

Hey there,

Ok so yeh wikip does use the no follow tag, but surely its gotta beneifit if you have your link on the 'External Links' bits. it does mean if anyone looks at it at least u have a chance at getting ppl to your site. which honestly cant be a bad thing.

Now- you can your add to an existing pages and it ususally gets accpeted. however i think that uploadin your own page for extra brownie SEO points maybe be a problem area.

In short...do we think about searching pages related to our pages and link them on wikip?

Yes we do so - But as Janeth has rightly pointed out - It won't show on your links page as 'Trust Rank' what we have here is 'perceived Trust Rank' in the eyes of the Searcher. If an on line encyclopedia has listed you - then you must be good.

[Brightmaster]

Right, well thats gotta be good.

however i still think that Wikip could server a better purpose to the online SEO community if it was controlled.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Brightmaster

Hey there,

Ok so yeh wikip does use the no follow tag, but surely its gotta beneifit if you have your link on the 'External Links' bits. it does mean if anyone looks at it at least u have a chance at getting ppl to your site. which honestly cant be a bad thing.

There are benefits in having a link from Wikipedia but your original question was not if there were traffic benefits but rather or not a link would help you rank. The links are not suppose to help you in ranking a site.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

The stats prove that by writing articles for Wiki and asking nicely to have your site pages linked that the earch Engines still place those links on pages 1 or 2 and that it creates business. Like I said - maybe I'm just lucky but Google still shows Wiki results as do all the others.

That was not the questioned asked by the poster. The question was rather or not the links would help your site rank. Answering the question yes and then starting to talk about traffic make it a bit confusing.

At lest it does for me. (-;

[Brightmaster]

Correct my orginal question was not wether it could help rank, i think we established that it wouldn't,( although i think that wiki could be put to better use to help boost rankings, for instance if your site is helping the public and wiki approve then there should be a rule that it can be followed and anchored in.)
so it then changed into will it help traffic, and lets be honest its also alot bout traffic to your site. LOL.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Brightmaster

Correct my orginal question was not wether it could help rank,

Here is the question I was answering (-;

Originally Posted by Brightmaster

Can uploading your information onto Wikipedia boost your rankings-

Originally Posted by Brightmaster

although i think that wiki could be put to better use to help boost rankings, for instance if your site is helping the public and wiki approve then there should be a rule that it can be followed and anchored in.)
so it then changed into will it help traffic, and lets be honest its also alot bout traffic to your site. LOL.

It's all about the traffic, I could careless where I rank as long as I get the needed traffic to make the money I desire to make every month.

But the above you are talking about the way you would like it to work and it is not the way it works. Wikipedia is a great way to get traffic to your site but it does nor have a ranking benifit in the search engines.

[Brightmaster]

But didnt someone just argue that point? that their site was showing up on 2nd page. For you and probably everyone yeh traffic is important. But i was tryin to establish if anyone had managed to get the links to help rank... either way i was trying to get information on this.

im happy that u get traffic lol

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Brightmaster

But didnt someone just argue that point? that their site was showing up on 2nd page.

No one proved that they were on the second page because of the links.

[janeth]

It helps if you decided what you want to talk about.

Here you say you want to talk about the ranking and try and make me look stupid for talking about the traffic.

Originally Posted by Brightmaster

But didnt someone just argue that point? that their site was showing up on 2nd page. For you and probably everyone yeh traffic is important. But i was tryin to establish if anyone had managed to get the links to help rank... either way i was trying to get information on this.

im happy that u get traffic lol

But here you say you want to talk about the traffic

Originally Posted by Brightmaster

Correct my orginal question was not wether it could help rank, i think we established that it wouldn't,( although i think that wiki could be put to better use to help boost rankings, for instance if your site is helping the public and wiki approve then there should be a rule that it can be followed and anchored in.)
so it then changed into will it help traffic, and lets be honest its also alot bout traffic to your site. LOL.

So which do you want to talk about?

[Brightmaster]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

The stats prove that by writing articles for Wiki and asking nicely to have your site pages linked that the earch Engines still place those links on pages 1 or 2 and that it creates business. Like I said - maybe I'm just lucky but Google still shows Wiki results as do all the others.

what about this chap?

[Brightmaster]

im not tryin to make u look stupid, but i think its irrelvant in the whole scheme of things if i ask rank or traffic, i was getting information, now in my book thats the same, - information the subject does not limit me to one or the other. So id ask you kindly that you try not to make me looks stupid by trying to pigeon whole me into one "question". For me this is all good and im not gonna start another thread sayin ' um yeh ok i know bout rank what bout traffic'.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Brightmaster

what about this chap?

The stats did not prove anything, there are 1,000's of reasons a page ranks and showing that you got a visitor today from a search engine does not prove why the site ranks for that keyword.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Brightmaster

im not tryin to make u look stupid, but i think its irrelvant in the whole scheme of things if i ask rank or traffic, i was getting information, now in my book thats the same, - information the subject does not limit me to one or the other. So id ask you kindly that you try not to make me looks stupid by trying to pigeon whole me into one "question". For me this is all good and im not gonna start another thread sayin ' um yeh ok i know bout rank what bout traffic'.

Jumping back and fourth makes it confusing but what makes it more confusing is when you say I don't care about traffic I'm talking about ranking and the next comment you say I don't care about ranking I'm talking about traffic.

As I showed you from the two post I pointed out.

Also keep in mind that just because someone says my car is wet, does not prove it is raining outside there are many reasons why their car may be wet. As is the case of someone saying they rank because of this or this and show nothing other then the stats.

[Brightmaster]

yeh but you still dont dismiss it like you do, you take it on board and discern. oh and the reason im jumping between too is cos someone start talkin about traffic- i think it was you? so i was answering.

As you say- the car might be wet but it aint raining- if i was to take your theory i might just dismiss everything you've said. why should i beleive that you sold a job today just cos you sed so...

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Brightmaster

yeh but you still dont dismiss it like you do, you take it on board and discern. oh and the reason im jumping between too is cos someone start talkin about traffic- i think it was you? so i was answering.

You should believe what the facts show, the facts are that Wikipedia is using a nofollow tag

That Google, Yahoo and MSN said they do not give credit for links that have the nofollow tag.

No one has ever shown were a link was counting when the nofollow tag was used.

Ctabuk showed nothing when he showed the stats and they do not prove anything.

Originally Posted by Brightmaster

As you say- the car might be wet but it aint raining- if i was to take your theory i might just dismiss everything you've said. why should i beleive that you sold a job today just cos you sed so...

I really don't care rather or not you believe anything I have to say. I've posted to try and show that two different things were being talked about and that it was causing confusion.

[Brightmaster]

uh huh, well i dont think it was confusing.. but thanks for putting advice, its all worth taking on board.

[janeth]

As of now are all outbound links from the english Wikipedia Site using the NOFOLLOW attribute, no exceptions.

No matter where you place it, Article Page, Talk Page, User Page, Project Page, whatever. No Link will get any credit at the major search engines.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Brightmaster

uh huh, well i dont think it was confusing.. but thanks for putting advice, its all worth taking on board.

I showed two post were you seemed very confused.

[Brightmaster]

LOL- you dont like being wrong do you.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Brightmaster

LOL- you dont like being wrong do you.

I don't mind being wrong at all, can you show me where I'm wrong?

[Brightmaster]

sigh

has anyone got any more useful information on this subject.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Brightmaster

sigh

has anyone got any more useful information on this subject.

I feel your sigh

Let me see if I can help you out a little here.

Your first post was

Brightmaster
Can uploading your information onto Wikipedia boost your rankings

Then ctabuk said

That I am very pleased to say is very far from the facts.
I get loads of hits.

Incrediblehelp then said

huh? I am not talking about the traffic you get, rather the "link juice" aka SEO benefits from the links.

Then ctabuk said

But the whole point of SEO is getting your site listed and if people search Wiki I don't honestly mind if it does not give me links

Now to help you out Ctabuk just admitted that the links do not count and that he was talking about traffic not the boost in ranking.

He then went on to show stats but latter admitted that the stats did not prove anything and said

It won't show on your links page as 'Trust Rank' what we have here is 'perceived Trust Rank' in the eyes of the Searcher

But then later you showed up and used his post to prove that the links help you rank even though the poster said it was only for traffic.

The fact that two different things were being talked about got you very confussed and you tried to used a post by someone talking about there stats to prove that it helped to boost your ranking.

[janeth]

But I would like to point out that my understanding is that the nofollow tag is only being used in the US Wikipedia at this time. But I'm sure it is only a matter of time before they start using the nofollow tag on the other sites as well.

[ctabuk]

Originally Posted by janeth

That was not the questioned asked by the poster. The question was rather or not the links would help your site rank. Answering the question yes and then starting to talk about traffic make it a bit confusing.

At lest it does for me. (-;

I was answering Your question.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

I was answering Your question.

I was not talking about traffic but was talking about ranking.

[Chris]

so wait, ctabuk doesn't care if wikipedia ranks highly fpr topics they pass link love too? even though they reference them?

you are essentially allowing wikipedia to take credit for your work and that's not cool.

[Feydakin]

Agreed Chris.. And it gets worse when a wiki article references you as a source, yet outranks you for that same information.. It seems to me to counter productive to the original intent of the Google SERPs..

Now they not only outrank you, but any trust they would have given you, thus helping you outrank less trusted (and poosibly less accurate) sources, has been removed as well.. It cetainly seems that "blocking spam" is an innappropriate excuse for the use of the nofollow element.. Not that there ever was a good excuse to begin with..

[janeth]

They seem to be showing up in the top of the results for almost every search I do.

Looks like there is something to be said about not leaking PR.

[cz]

Can uploading your information onto Wikipedia boost your rankings- keeping in mind that you have optomized copied it and included anchor text?

Not that Janeth needs my help - but it is what you asked guy.

its irrelvant in the whole scheme of things if i ask rank or traffic, i was getting information, now in my book thats the same

You should continue lurking if you believe that rank and traffic are the same - or even try to wiggle out of your rude remarks - by saying "you got what you wanted," regardless of the method.

Try here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=forum+etiquette

[VideoSurveillance]

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Also WikiP uses the nofollow attribute now, so no link love/juice is "supposed" to be passed to your website from there.

"supposed" to being the keyword here. check this blog out:
"nofollow" - Does it Really Work Like Google Claims?