Incoming Links - Best Method

Kinley · #1 (**permalink**) 10-19-2006, 05:30 PM

What is better?
5 backlinks of PR2 or 1 of PR10?

stymiee · #2 (**permalink**) 10-19-2006, 05:34 PM

1 PR 10 by a mile

kimber23 · #3 (**permalink**) 10-19-2006, 05:49 PM

i have a site that has several links from low to mid pr sites. but i would love just one link from a pr10 site.

you got one your giving links out from?

Webnauts · #4 (**permalink**) 10-20-2006, 03:17 AM

Who with PR 10 gives away back links?
Can I have one too? :)

smargenau · #5 (**permalink**) 10-20-2006, 02:37 PM

This site explains it pretty well. Out bound links with no return, as you can see can be very hurtful. I’m trying to figure out if RSS feeds into your site (with outbound news links) are hurting my site/other sites...do to the loss of PR with outbound links.

http://www.nextpagerank.com/pagerank3.htm

incrediblehelp · #6 (**permalink**) 10-20-2006, 10:16 PM

Neither. Any links that are relevant to your website. This is not a numbers game people.

westie · #7 (**permalink**) 10-21-2006, 08:00 AM

PR is thought to be a logarithmic function by many so that means that each step up in PR is worth x log.

So if log base is 3 say (complete guess) PR1 = 3 PR2 = 9 and PR3 = 27 on up to PR10 which is a huge number. If log base were 5 each step would be five times the previuos value with same result - PR10 is huge number. All values are devalued by damping factor and outgoing links of course. As I understand the algo!

And as incredible said above the link has to be relevant anyway!!

innominds · #8 (**permalink**) 10-22-2006, 06:20 PM

I don't think Page Rank is a yardstick in measuring the traffic. So one needs to forget about PR and concentrate only on getting quality back links from relevant sites.

smargenau · #9 (**permalink**) 10-23-2006, 11:30 AM

WEll, according ot your theory, Why get back links? That increases PR, which you say doesnt matter. Maybe not...but no doubt, links = PR....neither necesarily get you to show up on top of engines...although it is thought that PR is the ultimate trump card, all other things being equal....which of course they never are.

incrediblehelp · #10 (**permalink**) 10-23-2006, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by smargenau

although it is thought that PR is the ultimate trump card...

By who?

smargenau · #11 (**permalink**) 10-23-2006, 01:44 PM

by Incredible help!

Hey, we're not gonna figure out Google algo...but it doesn't take a hulk like IQ to figure out higher PR sites will normally have more inbound relevant content/anchors...so they will usally win that batttle.

Incred: What sites have you optimzed? I'd love to see competitve keywords ranking in top 3...it would really build by oppinon of your hulkness like help! :D

andyf · #12 (**permalink**) 10-23-2006, 02:24 PM

A single backlink from PR 10 site would definetly benefit you rather than collecting 5 from PR 2 site.
But also be sure you are not dealing with dishonest webmasters who may be using black hat methods ( using Javascript Links, 302 Redirects on links ) that deliberately prevent their web pages from passing PR to your site.

incrediblehelp · #13 (**permalink**) 10-23-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by smargenau

Incred: What sites have you optimzed? I'd love to see competitve keywords ranking in top 3...it would really build by oppinon of your hulkness like help! :D

Email me.

Gary Golden · #14 (**permalink**) 10-23-2006, 02:52 PM

I would also against buying links from so called high PR sites on Ebay as they all use black hat methods. Tried it once finally the links showed up on the search engines and the page linking to me was a PR2 ranked page. Must have been a script on the PR8 page, anyways beware!!!

As was said earlier PR10 sites do not give links! Unless you are paying big bucks.

Chris · #15 (**permalink**) 10-23-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by smargenau

it doesn't take a hulk like IQ to figure out higher PR sites will normally have more inbound relevant content/anchors...so they will usally win that battle.

what does that have to do with them linking to you? the question asked would you rather have one inbound from a PR 10 or a 5 inbounds from a PR 5. not sure what how many inbounds the PR 10 has is pertinent here.

as for PR being trump, umm, in IBLs, that isn't true or at least that isn't what Matt Cutts says. he and other Google engineers say get relevant IBLs regardless of PR, something incredible just posted.

let's put it another way - if you were a site covering space exploration, would you rather have a link from Apple (PR 10) or the official NASA site (also a PR 10)? Furthermore, if you were a search engine, which IBL would you give more juice to, the Apple.com or the Nasa.gov link? which of those is most relevant to the site in question?

incrediblehelp · #16 (**permalink**) 10-23-2006, 05:26 PM

Right. The age ole question of "Which would you rather have, one link from PR 10 or 10 links from PR 5Y?". Well neither I would only want links that relevant regardless of what the PR is.

live18 · #17 (**permalink**) 10-23-2006, 06:39 PM

I think Google likes relevent link not just a link from a high pr.

EArmand · #18 (**permalink**) 10-23-2006, 07:03 PM

Ok, can I rephrase the question and get your opinion on this? Suppose they are ALL relevant...

Which would you rather have, 1 relevant link from a PR10 or 5 relevant links from PR5?

incrediblehelp · #19 (**permalink**) 10-23-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EArmand

Ok, can I rephrase the question and get your opinion on this? Suppose they are ALL relevant...

Which would you rather have, 1 relevant link from a PR10 or 5 relevant links from PR5?

Now that is a better question. At first "guess" I will lean towards the 5. Of course further inspection of where the link is at on the page, within text, near other ads, does this website rnka well, get a lot of traffic and other factors that would be very important.

It is just not as cut and dry as we would like.

Gary Golden · #20 (**permalink**) 10-24-2006, 07:42 AM

Why even talk about it because to get on a P10 site with out paying an arm and a leg, well I guess short of knowing someone is almost zilch!

Anymore I get 10 to 15 PR0 - PR1 sites a day, they are basically a waste of time to manually install on ranked pages, so I stear them to the directory where they install themself.

In checking GOOGLE these sites offer no value to PR4 or PR5 sites as they hardly ever show up on the SERPS. Things are changing though as out of these 10 - 15 people only 1 or 2 will add there own link.

When my site was a PR1 site I installed my link on as many sites as I could, not site owners today!

I am sorry but you have to start somewhere and usually it takes some time to obtain rankings so be prepared as we are not all "You Tubes".

These days though I do not go after links, takes to much time. I concentrate on adjusting keywords for rankings and this brings in more business, short term and long term.

incrediblehelp · #21 (**permalink**) 10-24-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by pdstein

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Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Right. The age ole question of "Which would you rather have, one link from PR 10 or 10 links from PR 5Y?". Well neither I would only want links that relevant regardless of what the PR is.

To me that's like saying you would only want a 10,000 square foot mansion if it's in the state you want to live in. Personally, if someone wanted to give me a mansion, I'm not going to be picky on location. Same with a PR 10 IBL.

To each his own, but I know a lot of people that care where they leave.

westie · #22 (**permalink**) 10-24-2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EArmand

Ok, can I rephrase the question and get your opinion on this? Suppose they are ALL relevant...

Which would you rather have, 1 relevant link from a PR10 or 5 relevant links from PR5?

Its a very good question and relates back to the nature of the algo. Assume that the algo is some sort of log. function - say base 5 for example.
It has been suggested that the maths is something like this - I think.

The PR5s will be in a range going from just more than PR4 to just less than PR6. If you then assume that on average each PR5 that links will give you Y points. Then with 5 you will get around 5 x Y.
But if you get a link from a PR10 site (we should be so lucky) you will get 5 x 5 x 5 x 5 x 5 x Y points. Which is 15,625 x Y by my reckonong. So its no contest. The jumps in PR are consoderable and get much larger towards the top end. This why there are so few PR10.

This is how I understand it but it is my own interpretation - don't accept it as fact - it may be way off the mark!!

Regards W

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