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Old 05-05-2006, 10:56 AM
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Why SEO should be important to you

SEO is an acronym for Search Engine Optimization. This is the process of structuring a web page so that it is found, read, and indexed by search engines in the most effective manner possible, making your web site and its content attractive, relevant and visible to search engines and web searchers.

Why is this important? Consider what it would be like if no one could easily find your place of business, or even your telephone number. Most businesses could not continue for long in such a situation.

The same thing can happen with your web site if people cannot easily locate it. Traffic volume, if it existed at all, slows to a crawl. Potentially valuable customers never even know you are there.

"Wait!" you say. "I had a web site created, and the address is included in all of our advertising. Why wouldn't people be able to find it?"

Certainly, existing customers or those who are already familiar with your company should be able to find your site without any great difficulty, but this may not be the case.

Can you be sure that every potential customer has been reached by your advertising? What about the people who don't read the magazines or newspapers where you chose to place advertisements?

Did they hear the right radio station? Did they watch the right television show? Did they get one of the thousands of brochures you mailed?

So, what about the search engines? Those people could just enter a few words into a text box, click a button, and voila! There is a link to your web site. Aren't search engines wonderful?

Yes, search engines can be wonderful, and the scenario above can happen, but not without some work. This is where SEO comes in.

A case in point

Let us consider first a web site that I know of which is extremely difficult to find. This particular site is for a fine restaurant in the community where I live. I didn't know the address of their site, so I went to Google.com, entered the name of the restaurant into the text box, and clicked the search button.

Many links were listed, but none seemed to have anything to do with the restaurant. To the search terms I added the name of the city where the restaurant is located. Here were links that did pertain to the restaurant, but they all seemed to be links to news articles and reviews, not to the site of the restaurant itself. What was wrong? Did they actually not have a site?

Luckily, one of the news articles did mention the web site address. It is a very beautiful site, pleasing to the eye and ear. It was created as a Macromedia Flash presentation which is embedded into a single web page. Why did I have so much trouble finding it? I think it might have something to do with the fact that the creators of the site don't seem to understand SEO.

How does a web site get into search engines' listings? The major search engines use computer programs (commonly called robots or crawlers) to follow links from one page to another and retrieve the contents of each page. The contents are indexed and added to the search engines' databases.

How the search engines work

How are the pages indexed? How do the search routines really work? Only the operators of the search engines know for sure, and this is generally very closely held proprietary information. The process is continually improved, as all useful computer software is.

Using what information the operators of the search engines will release, combined with the results of research into why certain pages are at the top of the list of results of certain searches, we can make a reasonable determination of what techniques can be used to enhance a web site's visibility and effectiveness in the search engines.

Through an analysis of your existing or proposed web site, we can recommend and implement changes that can dramatically improve your site's chances of being found. Some of these changes may alter the actual content of what is displayed on a page. Many of these changes, however, have no effect on what a user sees when visiting your site.

So SEO can really help you. Why not take it a little further and get your site listed for all kinds of searches. that should really bring the traffic in, right? It just might, but probably not for very long.

When using various search engines, you may have noticed that some search results have little, if anything, to do with what you were looking for. Some of these pages may even redirect you to another web site altogether. The owners of these pages have one goal: to get you in the door (so to speak), no matter what lies or cheats they have to use to do it.

What not to do

The following search engine optimization techniques are often called spamming, and should be avoided at all costs:

* automatically generated doorway pages;
* cloaking and false redirects;
* keyword stuffing;
* hidden text or hidden links;
* pages loaded with irrelevant words;
* duplicated content on multiple pages;
* misspelling of well-known web sites;
* unrelated and centralized link farms;
* other methods that try to trick search engines.

These and other similar techniques, while sometimes effective in generating an increase in traffic to your site, quickly fail.

Imagine putting a "Detour" sign in the street in front of your place of business, forcing traffic into your parking lot. Yes, your parking lot is full, but how many of those people actually wanted to be there? How many of those people will want to shop there after witnessing such a trick? How long will it take the local police to remove the sign?

The same thing happens to web sites that use such nefarious techniques. People are brought to a site where they had no intention of going. Do you think they will stay to shop? When the operators of the search engine discover it, they will often remove the site from their index entirely.
How do you rank?

The next time you use a search engine, look for your own site. What words would someone search for that should bring them to your site? Is your site listed in those search results?

SEO is the tool that can be used to insure that your site is listed as close as possible to the top of the relevant search results.

Without SEO it will be as if those customers drive by your shop without even knowing that you are there. Should SEO be important to you? You can bank on it.-
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Old 05-05-2006, 01:47 PM
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Webnauts,

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Old 05-05-2006, 03:12 PM
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I have a few clients I'm going to send this link out to. There's some people out there that just dont see the need for SEO. I gather you've had a few of them out there too.

Very well put.

Thanks for the ammo...
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Old 05-05-2006, 03:34 PM
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this article convinces anybody about the need of seo.
and at the same time provides some useful seo tips.
thank you
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Default Hate trickin' search engines!

There was an item on dutch television recently handling the subjects 'linkfarming' and other trickery (mentioned in the 'what not to do' list in this post) used to mislead searchengines.

It showed a interview with some guy (lost his name) that could get your website in the first 3 or so searchresults. To get here he used every 'don't try this at home' trick in the book and just wondered "Why not? Is it against the law?"...Conclusion: There didn't seem to be any law that could stop him from doing this.

I hate this way of thinking! Isn't it far more satisfying and in the end rewarding(!) to reach this by following those few 'rules of ethiquete' that fortunatly seem to be there?! By worth of mouth, just an amazing produkt or website or whatever?

Will those websites that used 'trickery' gain more 'real clients' or just more people that think "This isn't what I was lookin' for?! Crappy internet!".

TAKE IT EASY! The internet will still be there tomorrow!

There are just too many websites figthing for that listing in the 'top3' so I wouldn't focus only on this (allthough I would never forget it!), I would focus more on being reliable, consistent and when found...Totally prepared and ready!
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Old 05-05-2006, 04:12 PM
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Default Re: Why SEO should be important to you

Thanks Webnauts you made an excellent case everyone should include SEO in their long term advertising and marketing strategies. With hundreds if not thousands of companies all competing for the coveted top 10 (1st page) listings for any particluar hot keyword, the need for SEO is only going to become greater and more competitive.

I can't stress enough to our clients and potential clients how important it is to get in the game early. With Google putting more and more importance on the length of time companies have ranked well for a particular keyword it will become more and more difficult to displace companies who have already hunkered down in the top 10 positions.

One other thing that makes SEO such a valuable marketing tool that wasn't mentioned by Webnauts is the near real-time performance tracking that the combination of a good SEO campaign linked to a good analytics / data mining program can achieve for a client.

This in my opinion is one of those under utilized advantages that SEO has over traditional advertising and marketing.
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I find it funny that there is so much to SEO. I find it more of a lets think of the basics here.

If I setout to create a web site, or redesign the one I have now, what should I do?

Well the page can have a title, perhaps I should put in what the page is about? Novel idea, kinda like the "Title" of a paper you write in school. Hmmm. Now, what should I put in this page? Well, my teach won't allow me to use pictures to fill up the minimum 10 pages and get my thoughts across. Guess I'll have to put some relevant content.

This is novel in concept, I know. But isn't the whole idea of SEO really, simply, creating a high quality site? And SEO is a part of that equation?

I think it's a great article, and I definately think it points to nature of improving pages.

I think as a community, we are using a new term, SEO, as a crutch to help us sell a new set of services, which should have been apart of the services we've offered all along.

Now, as a side note, you had a link on your website to an accesiblity guide that I found quite helpful as well.

Lots of good conversations going on lately on this site.
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Sure most websites do need and SEO, but a lot more wouldn't if designers would learn more about the basic fundamentals of SEO.

As long as those great designers out of college keep forgetting (or not learning) basics like unique title tags, I will always have work.

Once SEO is taught more a discipline in college you will start seeing design, information architecture and SEO start to combine more and less of a need for a separate SEO specialist.
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And now the webnauts site has been hacked. There's just no safe haven anymore.
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Great topic. I am one of those that believe in a holistic approach.

SEO - SEP- SEM : The one does not go without the other.

I agree with incredible help - as long as it is not taught in College we will have work.

I recently obtained a customer who has been around the block with the SEO consultants. It was evident that his previous SEO specialists only paid attention to his inbound links.

No on-page SEO has been done whatsoever:

1) Validation of html failed dismally
2) Not even to talk about the meta tags
3) ALT tag spamming was at the order of the day
4) As well as comment spam
5) Page size is over 55.5 KB (sigh......)

That is just to mention a few. If this is the quality of work that SEO consultants deliver out there then I am assured of work for quite some time to come.

One of my oldest clients just had their International supplier here. The only comment that they had about the local web site, was that we get more enquiries from our site than the they get from theirs. And might I add that they have a HUGE advertising budget.

I think the local agency is coining it nicely as they send some major and high priced item enquiries through to the US.

Having said that, the local client is not missing their target market - we position the site Internationally as well due to the fact that this client supplies the rest of Africa with product too.

Fact is, once you have done the on-page SEO, the off-page SEO becomes important - search engine positioning then plays a role and without a targeted, measurable marketing campaign, SEO will also not work.
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And now the webnauts site has been hacked. There's just no safe haven anymore.
We have been hacked through our forums Invision Board 2.1.5. We installed some hours 2.1.6 and we are aware of the id and origin of the hackers. We fixed our page again. They were kind and they have not messed everything. Our team is performing further investigations. Thanks for alarming us.
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Hello Webnauts,

This is a good article for new comers in the field of SEO. I think I'll post a more detailed article in near future for seasoned SEO professionals.

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Why did you mention validation and page sigh? As far as I am aware these have nothing to do with ranking well.
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The explanation of the acronym, the analogies, the value of SEO and what not to do - great info. It will definitely help when talking to small business owners who have been reluctant to consider the value of search engine indexing of their websites.

Has anyone found site with as up to date as possible internet usage statistics?
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Has anyone found site with as up to date as possible internet usage statistics?
Not sure what sort of stats you are looking for, but http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp is current for browser, operating platform and monitor res ...

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Why did you mention validation and page sigh?
The forums are full of suggestions (beliefs?) that these elements do, indeed, carry weight with the SEs.

It is logical, after all, if a browser can't validate the code and has to guess at what the page should display, why wouldn't a search engine spider have some difficulty indexing a page properly? If a page doesn't load quickly due to validation errors or size, perhaps the spider won't fully index a page.

Logic aside, I have sites with (minor) validation problems and page sizes that far "outweigh" the guidelines, that do very, very well in the SERPs.

That would be my 2 cents on a Sunday morning.

And thanks to Webnauts for a good article.
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I totally agree with Webnauts. Having a great website without proper optimization, SEO and marketing is like making a great shopping mall in the middle of the desert! Where no body can reach it easily.

You can have the most flashy website, but its no use to search engines or users, when it cant be indexed properly, or reached.
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