Placed 34,874 in Google for 'SEO' keyword

[charlierobot]

I need some feedback

I have developed a Java program which goes off and finds exactly where a website is for a certain keyword e.g.

www.company.com for SEO = 34,874 in Google

and then 7 days later goes off again and does the same, e.g

www.company.com for SEO = 32,987 in Google

and then it compares both and graphs them so you can see results (it does the same for Yahoo and MSN). It also shows statistics and Search Engine keywords among other great SEO things....

Question is would you pay €30 a month for this service (comes with web admin and email reports each week.

Paul

[ADAM Web Design]

No, since site stats will tell me what keywords/phrases my clients are ranking in. If they're not, then I can check their rankings manually and figure out from there what's going on.

Also, your software doesn't take into account any adjustments competitors may have made, delisted/listed sites, etc.

[cyanide]

It's an interesting program, that I'm sure many people would be interested in.
What are the search engines going to say, with your spider chewing so deep into their index?

[charlierobot]

you are right it does eat alot of SE capacity. For that reason we do the search over a very long period in order not to congest the SE. This solves the problem and keeps all happy.

because of the amount of traffic and users are currentl have we have had to limit searches to 50,000 per keyword, as we try this into all website evaluations and reports.

[williamc]

What I want to know is simply put:

How is it getting those numbers exactly.

I ask this due to the fact that google ONLY gives the top 1000 results ever.

Even in the API.

So one of two things is happening here.

#1. The program is horsecrap, and you just made a fool out of 2 people here, and I am rather surprised at adam for being tricked quite so easily.

OR

#2. You have discovered a backdoor into googles backend, which nobody else has in 6+ years.

#2 was actually a joke option.

[cyanide]

I'm well aware of google's api, hence my question on how he figures he's going to get away with it.

Who's making a fool out of anyone? If someone's found a loop-hole of sorts, then lets see it in action.

how about a demo

[ctabuk]

Tell me if I'm wrong, I won't mind but IBP does exactly the same thing and you can search every single SE. (Internet Business Promoter)

[williamc]

Cyanide, I dont think you quite understood what I was saying. Google ONLY returns 1000 results for a given keyword. Period. You can not see beyond that number.

Here is an example using the keyword he used above 'SEO'

http://www.google.com/search?q=seo&h...tart=1001&sa=N

Notice where it states quite emphatically

"Sorry, Google does not serve more than 1000 results for any query. (You asked for results starting from 1001.)"

[janeth]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Tell me if I'm wrong, I won't mind but IBP does exactly the same thing and you can search every single SE. (Internet Business Promoter)

It want show result # 34,874

[ctabuk]

No I agree, but who wants to see themselves there?

[janeth]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

No I agree, but who wants to see themselves there?

There is no way to see yourself there because Google will only return the top 1000.

The question was rather or not it was worth €30 a month for this service.

Either it is a lie or he has something no one else has got.


Back to your question

Originally Posted by ctabuk

No I agree, but who wants to see themselves there?

No one wants to see themselves off the first page but you yourself said you check the top 1000 for your keywords. Do you want to see yourself at # 1000?

If your working with a new site or new keyword it would let you start tracking the keyword a lot earlier.

You would be able to see how your efforts were effecting that keyword as soon as you took on a new project.

[williamc]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

No I agree, but who wants to see themselves there?

I wouldn't for damn sure. That would just be plain embarrasing :P

[charlierobot]

Whats vital here is 'GROWTH', all clients of Charlie Robot want to see over the week period their company gradually move from 32,987 to 32,662 for their keyphrase. With the end result over time being a Top 20 position. I feel this is really the only way to judge the effects of good SEO, otherwise its almost impossible, as pagerank, backlinks, etc are useless.

Most SEO tools do a simple search of the top 100 or so, while some do Top 1000 I have never found one that doesn't need the API key.

[cyanide]

Originally Posted by williamc

Cyanide, I dont think you quite understood what I was saying. Google ONLY returns 1000 results for a given keyword. Period. You can not see beyond that number.

Here is an example using the keyword he used above 'SEO'

http://www.google.com/search?q=seo&h...tart=1001&sa=N

Notice where it states quite emphatically

"Sorry, Google does not serve more than 1000 results for any query. (You asked for results starting from 1001.)"

No, actually I do understand and acknowledge it (Sometimes, I'm a minimalist when I post :) )

Originally Posted by ctabuk

No I agree, but who wants to see themselves there?

you have to start somewhere... :)

[freehits]

Originally Posted by charlierobot

Whats vital here is 'GROWTH', all clients of Charlie Robot want to see over the week period their company gradually move from 32,987 to 32,662 for their keyphrase. With the end result over time being a Top 20 position. I feel this is really the only way to judge the effects of good SEO, otherwise its almost impossible, as pagerank, backlinks, etc are useless.

Most SEO tools do a simple search of the top 100 or so, while some do Top 1000 I have never found one that doesn't need the API key.

Have we address the question of what this magical search result page
"now showing results 32,500 - 32,510 of 50,000,000"
looks like?

Kinda noticed this post avoided the issue of only 1000 results shown.

[SPC2]

Originally Posted by charlierobot

Whats vital here is 'GROWTH', all clients of Charlie Robot want to see over the week period their company gradually move from 32,987 to 32,662 for their keyphrase. With the end result over time being a Top 20 position. I feel this is really the only way to judge the effects of good SEO, otherwise its almost impossible, as pagerank, backlinks, etc are useless.

Most SEO tools do a simple search of the top 100 or so, while some do Top 1000 I have never found one that doesn't need the API key.

I think you are missing it. It is impossible to see the results past #1000. You are either lying, or somebody has misled you. Only you know which.

[jackson992]

ok this was new to me, about the greater than the 1000 results part. So that means you are effectively banned for that term.

[ctabuk]

No not banned, just not showing. I hear what you are all saying, but knowing that you are 34,000 or worse is academic, it just means that your site is either brand new, getting its first spidering, has little or no content, no links and about as dynamic as a dead lemming.
I just checked my IBP - at a push I could get the first 65 pages on an SE and with at least one Google database showing 40 entries per page, so at a push 2,400 results are available. I really would not wish to know if I was at 34,000, so to me that is a pointless excercise.
One thing I did see this week which made me take an interest. We went 2nd on Google for 'Right to Buy Lenders'now, we are going in that direction but not for a few weeks yet. So I have no pages with that term on - but what Google did was marry the term 'Lenders' from a page on the Council of Mortgage Lenders which is on our site and as it is a Government type organisation (CML Represent most UK Banks and Building Societies)and has a first class Google rating and married it with our keyword Right to Buy which has just gone 2nd on Yahoo and top on Google for Right to Buy Advice.

[janeth]

ctabuk,
Who is # 1001 for website design on Google?

[ctabuk]

With IBP you need the URL first and the keyword second, I was merely pointing out the numbers of searches the system can make.

Self edit Janeth raised a very valid and excellent point - who is 1001 on Google for web site design?
Top of the pile is www.killersites.com (on my database) one but last - the last not being commercial is www.turnkeysoftwareprojects.com

The number of sites in total is 417,000,000 - now if this new software does indeed show 34,000th position then I agree with cyanide - a demonstration please.

[Mel]

This could be interesting if in fact you have found a way to get more than 1000 search results from Google who certainly don't give them to searchers

Sorry, Google does not serve more than 1000 results for any query. (You asked for results starting from 1000.)

A demonstration is in fact in order and a good one would be to tell us who is ranking 1001 for website design.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Janeth raised a very valid and excellent point

It was not my point but the one that both Phil and William have been making since their first post in this thread. (-;

But I do agree with them, Google does not show pass the first 1,000 so there is no way to know who #1001 is.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by Mel

A demonstration is in fact in order and a good one would be to tell us who is ranking 1001 for website design.

He could make up anyone, how would you test what he tells you?

[ctabuk]

And I retract my theory about 2,400 the only SE to go beyond 1000 was Fast.com at 4001 now I believe defunk.

Janeth, if he is hoping to sell this software, it would be in his best interest to show us some form of demonstration.

[Mel]

Originally Posted by janeth

He could make up anyone, how would you test what he tells you?

Well being a flint nosed old SOB I would demand to see the actual program in operation with screen shots etc.

[janeth]

It looks like the member may be gone.

I took a look at some of his other post and they all seem to be trying to sell his program.

It looks like he is here for no other reason then to spam the forum with his product.

Just my two cents.

[ctabuk]

"There's a kind of hush, all over the World tonight"