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Old 01-12-2006, 05:39 PM
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hey guys... i need some help discovering some stuff i may be not be so good at, or good at. im trying to discover if the 2 web sites below are sea for the search engines. if you have the spare time to browse them, that would be the world of your guys... thankz

the 1st site is....
http://www.wwisservices.com

the 2nd site is....
http://www.headtraumarecords.com
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"im planning on redesigning this site, with less graphics, but everyone that talk to me about it, has said its good, but those are my friends.. so ill get a more honest answer here.
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Old 01-12-2006, 08:15 PM
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An image-heavy site is not necessarily a bad thing - especially for a music site. Just make sure you have enough text on the page to give the search engines something to index. I'd also suggest adding more text links to your subpages on the front page of the music site - using descriptive text. It will help those internal pages rank higher.

I'd also suggest running both sites through this code validator: http://validator.w3.org/

Many popular sites don't validate - so don't think you have to correct every warning or error, but the cleaner you can get your code, the better.

Good luck with your sites!
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yea im running my sites thru that http://validator.w3.org/ right now, thank you for the great feedback, yea for the music one, i had to really try to stay away from it, but when the client wants it one way, and wont listen, so i try to add it in somewhere to get some listing on the engines.
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Old 01-13-2006, 01:55 PM
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you know, not being a pain, ive run numberous searches using the validator, and out of the 50 searchs i did for other sites, i only got 1 that worked. i even tried http://www.webproworld.com and it came up with 154 errors. google, yahoo, k-1usa, myspace, foxnews, and alot of major websites, had btw 59-254 errors and not validated. this is weird.
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You have some serious problems with your code. For starters, I doubt if your attempts to use the validator are having much success when you have the wrong DOCTYPE declared for your coding.

In one browser I am not seeing any images on your record site so there is something strange in your code.

As for your SEO - you do not have the beginning of a clue. Wherever you have been learning your SEO, they have been laughing all the way to the bank.

Your first step is to follow the SEO advice given by the search engines. Google, MSN and Yahoo all have excellent pages of advice for web masters. Just those pages alone should give you a top #20 result on one of your key phrases.

This is what a search engine sees for your first site. I do not see any early promotion of any terms that are likely to bring visitors that are interested in what you are promoting.

"water works, waterworks, wwis, water, water works industry solution, water main breaks, water main, water loss, pipe, pvc, pipe installation, training Navigation : Home About Services Training DVD and CDs Promotional DVD and CDs Product Visualizations Motion Graphics Full Production Architectual Simulations 3D Animation Training / Installation DVD's Contact Us Sitemap Home Multi-Media Services for the Waterworks Industry – Water Works Industry Solutions, is one of the only multi-media companies which can offer experience in the media industry as well as the waterworks industry. Water Work Industry Solution can create custom interactive multi-media that brings your message to life on the format you desire. We’re experts at transforming your needs into dynamic multi-media that produces exceptional results. Some of the services we offer are; interactive product showrooms, special promotions, animated presentations, trade show display motion graphics, product demos, software demos, sales tools, training instruction, safety instruction, kiosks, catalogs, manuals, and 3D animation. Our experience and knowledge in the water works industry, combined with our talent, allows us to push the envelope of multi-media creation to new heights in the waterworks industry. Water Works Industry Solution has been pushing the envelope of digital media with over 20 years of combined interactive multi-media experience including CD & DVD development , Video Production , editing and compositing, Motion Graphics , DVD Authoring, 3D modeling and 3D animation . The Water Works Industry Solution has created projects for a wide range of clients in the waterworks industry; We would welcome the opportunity to create a project for you. Thank you for your interest in our Services. Home | Services | Products | About | Contact Training DVD and CD's | Promotional DVD and CD's | Product Visualizations Motion Graphics | Full Productions | Architectual Simulations | 3D Animation"

For your second site 'cloak and dagga' does OK as a term for densities but again there is no promotion of this early in the page.

"Welcome to HeadTraumaRecords.com Main Menu Home Products Contests! Contact Us HTR News Ticker The Cloak and Dagga - Def Con Zero offical music video - LIVIN, can be viewed in the product information in it complete form. UBC Album Cover Head Trauma Records is releasing the album cover for the upcoming UBC Album. Check it out here, more information on this project droppin next week, stay tuned. Read more... Offical Trailer for Cloak and Dagga The Offical Trailer for the Cloak and Dagga - Def Con Zero project; trailer has been released. Just click Products -> Offical Video Trailer link. The album is out on iTunes right now, and will offically be in retail stores Nov 15th 2005! More Exclusive updates tonight, stand by! To buy the album, either iTunes, or by ordering off the net, click here Welcome to Head Trauma Records You have made it sucessfully to the New HeadTraumaRecords.com website. We are currently updating our website with products and the latest information. - Future Updates 1.) Community Interactions - Forums, Live Fan Interviews, and more! 2.) The Latest HTR News Pages 3.) Additional Artists and Products 4.) Artist Directory w/ Bio Information 5.) View and Listen to Samples of Products a random quote: " Put up your fist, roll the dice like this. " "

If you can't work out what the site is about when you strip out all the code, what chance does a search engine have? After all, that is their first step when indexing your page.

Sorry if my comments seem harsh and go against everything that you have done to date. I see from date stamps that you updated just before I visited. You have to start learning what needs to be done rather than what looks pretty.

Start again without any graphics or layout and write up the content only. When that is search engine friendly start to wrap sections in DIVs or TDs or whatever takes your fancy. With all those images you could just wrap the text around the images without any tables and it could look great. You could even have the images sitting behind the text.

Once you have mastered being able to do the above you will understand why I am also recommending that you buy yourself a decent html editor. The best one I know has a free demo and none cost more than $30 for everything you need to do.

NotePad is an excellent html editor. Recommended by most writters of html code books as being the only editor you will ever need. Personally I found it annoying having to always save my work before I could preview it and having nothing to show me line numbers.

NoteTab is the best I could find on the market. Try the free demo for a few weeks. If you like it then you need to upgrade to the Pro version to get all the bells and whistles for html, css and scripting.

But, whatever you do, stop using whatever junk you are using just now. It is generating rubbish code.

I hope that something I have said above helps someone out there get their key phrase into first the top #20 and then the top #5. With hundreds if not thousands of secondary phrases soon following, bringing in the real ROI generating customers.
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Don't let moredial scare you! I don't disagree with most of what he's written, but I also don't think it's necessary to start over - you just need to set a few priorities.

Bottom line, if you have enough backlinks, you can rank well even if your actual site has some problems. So your first priority should be to get lots of backlinks! And if it was me, the second priority would be to add more text links on the front page to the subpages, so that bots can index the entire site easily. Then I'd start working my way through the rest of the advice in this thread.

Good luck!
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