Great MSN results and No Google or Yahoo Results

Web Guy · #1 (**permalink**) 12-15-2005, 10:17 PM

Hello, I'm the webmaster of a site and it has been up and runing for about 6 months. SEO has been going very well on MSN for just about all my keyword phrases however Google and Yahoo are only indexing my web site and its pages but not picking up any of my keyword phrase Searches... It the strangest thing? Any advise wold be great.
Thanks

MsLeigh · #2 (**permalink**) 12-15-2005, 10:54 PM

Isn't it funny how search engines can be so different? That's part of what I enjoy about them. I don't want the same web results with different search engines to what I'm looking for.

That said, I can't imagine what you would be doing differently, except to try and research your competition under the same keywords and find out what they are doing. What sort of content do they have? How many links to that page are they getting and where are they linked from? Finding out this information will give you guidelines on how to compete.

**brian.mark** · #3 (**permalink**) 12-15-2005, 11:57 PM

Ya who? And what's this Google thing? Ok, just kidding.

Google is going to give a 6 month old site a hard time. Give it another 3 - 6 months before you expect too much. Just keep building links during that time.

Now, as for Yahoo, some decent links and not overly done on-page optimization should do it. My observations have me thinking that they prefer 3% - 4% keyword density with 2% being too little and 7% being too much, although it varies depending on the competition. Very tough balance.

MSN, as you've already seen, seems to be the easiest to game at the moment. They probably just need to mature a bit more.

Brian.

chandrika · #4 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 05:52 AM

I am getting the same on the cholesterol website, msn has picked up all the keyphrases i targetted and is sending traffic, but google and yahoo nothing.

But I am not very worried about it because the hairstyles website, it started off getting traffic from MSN, just msn and then a while later google picked it up and sent traffic. Like someone said I think they take longer, but I am hoping that the fact that msn is sending traffic is a good sign and it will just be a matter of time, hopefully for you too.

I was looking at this SE relationship chart
http://www.bruceclay.com/searchengin...nshipchart.htm
seeing how being listed in google or yahoo can help with others. It makes me wonder about the yahoo paid inclusion service. I have never done it, but does anyone know, does this make any major difference or is it just an assurance they will send a spider to crawl? Same here that google and yahoo come and spider regularly, just no results. Does the paid yahoo service make any difference?

**brian.mark** · #5 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chandrika

It makes me wonder about the yahoo paid inclusion service. I have never done it, but does anyone know, does this make any major difference or is it just an assurance they will send a spider to crawl? Same here that google and yahoo come and spider regularly, just no results. Does the paid yahoo service make any difference?

Just an assurance that they'll spider your entire site on a set schedule (I think it was every 48 hours). You'll pay for every click from the organics with their PI program. It'll make no difference in rankings.

If you've got some money to burn, it's worth a try. After all, you could make changes and see the results within 48 hours. However, the PI results aren't included in their feeds to other engines.

Brian.

dburdon · #6 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 06:30 PM

Chandrika,

you shouldn't have to pay for inclusion. Get a few good links from relevant sites.

CreditFN · #7 (**permalink**) 12-18-2005, 01:25 PM

Hi,

Paid inclusion helps your optimization efforts. For example if you type "creditfn" or "searchengineoperator" into Google you will see how many times it finds the phrases on the net. Now that is using Google AdWords. Both phrases had virtually no meaning when they were registered, but my paid inclusion into the search engines has gained them exposure both on searchers eyes but also the robots cache.

janeth · #8 (**permalink**) 12-18-2005, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by brian.mark

Ya who? And what's this Google thing? Ok, just kidding.

Google is going to give a 6 month old site a hard time. Give it another 3 - 6 months before you expect too much. Just keep building links during that time.

Now, as for Yahoo, some decent links and not overly done on-page optimization should do it. My observations have me thinking that they prefer 3% - 4% keyword density with 2% being too little and 7% being too much, although it varies depending on the competition. Very tough balance.

MSN, as you've already seen, seems to be the easiest to game at the moment. They probably just need to mature a bit more.

Brian.

We have been seeing the same type of stuff but would only add that I think Google is a little more picky with the links you have coming into your site then MSN.

MSN seems to count every link where Google does not.

**brian.mark** · #9 (**permalink**) 12-18-2005, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CreditFN

Hi,

Paid inclusion helps your optimization efforts. For example if you type "creditfn" or "searchengineoperator" into Google you will see how many times it finds the phrases on the net. Now that is using Google AdWords. Both phrases had virtually no meaning when they were registered, but my paid inclusion into the search engines has gained them exposure both on searchers eyes but also the robots cache.

You're saying that paying Yahoo on a per click basis for listing in their organic index helps you in Google? Please explain.

Brian.

JuniorOnline · #10 (**permalink**) 12-19-2005, 06:01 AM

I had exactly the same problem in the past and I found that by adding more text links using the keywords has made a huge difference to my position in search.

check this BlackBerry Page - I added an extra RHS navigational menu, using the keywords and we are not showing more in search.

adbart · #11 (**permalink**) 12-19-2005, 11:44 AM

Sandbox....

dburdon · #12 (**permalink**) 12-19-2005, 06:40 PM

I agree with Brian Mark, the presence of a site in the Adwords (or Overture) programme has little positive bearing on organic performance.

**brian.mark** · #13 (**permalink**) 12-19-2005, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dburdon

I agree with Brian Mark, the presence of a site in the Adwords (or Overture) programme has little positive bearing on organic performance.

You're talking about ads. The claim by CreditFN was that Paid Inclusion helps an organic ranking at Google. Paid Inclusion isn't ads at all. This is paying for Slurp to go hyperactive on your site. Then, you pay per click for Yahoo organic listings as well. Nothing at all to do with ads.

Brian.