Someone finally copied my website!

**incrediblehelp** · #1 (**permalink**) 10-18-2005, 12:42 AM

Someone finally copied my website!

I know this is hardly new news, but some losers will copy your website in an attempt to harm your rankings! I have always seen sporadic scrapping which never worried me to bad. Here is the domain trying to hurt me:

www.topseo.net

My domain is www.kbkmarketing.com. I was wondering what others experiences were with getting this removed considering their is no real way to find out who is doing it or responsible for it. The whois info:

http://whois.sc/topseo.net all seems made up, but does lead to this website: http://www.hidev.com/. Here is the whois: http://whois.sc/hidev.com

Of course perfect match. Doesn't look like they are trying to hide to hard, but I don't think any of the info is real. I called the available numbers from the website with a "out of service" message.

Does everyone generally report the spam to each of the major engines and then move on with life?

What is interesting on the copied website everything is exactly the same except for instead of "KBK" they replaced it with "IllDev". Wonder why?

Any comments would be great!

**incrediblehelp** · #2 (**permalink**) 10-18-2005, 12:51 AM

The idiot is using AdSense on http://www.hidev.com/. I reported them as spamming to AdSense, since they must a publishing ID on the banner to get of the AdSense revenue. The publisher ID in AdSense is:

pub-8947240314748164

I wonder how I can chase them down with this info?

cbp · #3 (**permalink**) 10-18-2005, 01:46 AM

1. Burn a copy of your site and there site to a CD - send it to yourself registered mail - do not open it as the dates can serve as evidence in court later (never actually plan on going to court, but this helps your bluff)

2. Write a cease and desist letter to them. Tell them about (1) and you are prepared to use it.

3. Write to their host. Tell them about (1) and that they have 48 hours to take the site down or you will name them in legal action against the site (this usually works as it in the small print of most hosts ToS)

4. Lodge a DMCA complaint with Google:
http://www.google.com/dmca.html (this usually works well as well). Lodge a copyright complaint with Yahoo:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/copyright/copyright.html and MSN:
http://search.msn.com/docs/siteowner..._AboutDMCA.htm

CBP

**incrediblehelp** · #4 (**permalink**) 10-18-2005, 01:50 AM

As always, thanks CBP. I think the only course of actions that will work is #4. I have no way of contacting them directly, false info given. I will look more into who their host is and try there as well.

Feydakin · #5 (**permalink**) 10-18-2005, 04:45 AM

Skip 1 and 2.. They are already crooks so why would they listen to your threats??

Go straight to 3 and 4 and move on..

Also, #1 has never been a successful method of doing anything since it is so easy to fake..

http://www.copyrightauthority.com/poor-mans-copyright/

If you intend to sue hire a lawyer and let him gather the evidence in a manner that will be supported in court..

Steve

**ctabuk** · #6 (**permalink**) 10-18-2005, 06:53 AM

Ok,why are they doing it? What is in it for them? Have you spoken to anyone about Intellectual Property Rights? - If not, talk to me.
CPB's advice is great, I concure, but we are a big forum and you are a valued poster, so lets nail these guys. I'm up for it!

**incrediblehelp** · #7 (**permalink**) 10-18-2005, 11:18 AM

ctabuk,

I assume they are doing it to effect my rankings with www.kbkmarketing.com or just get my original domain banned. Something is very familiar about that domain name, topseo.net. I dont think the people at topseo.com have anything to do with it.

aaron2005 · #8 (**permalink**) 10-18-2005, 11:41 AM

Holy S*hit!

I have always worried about people stealing individual articles I write on my websites and the scrapers have hit (but they at least backlink the page so I will kill them later). ;-(

BUT you have a serious ass*hole here! Oh my God, I would be feeling murderous for that, that is sooooooo wrong!

I am sure Google would love to beat down that site and make sure they never come back.

THAT is the absolute lamest thing I have seen!!!

Good luck,

-Aaron

khurramali · #9 (**permalink**) 10-18-2005, 02:57 PM

A picture speaks a thousand words

If only 1 guy is stealing your content then it is worth going after him,

what if 50 people are stealing your content, then it is not worth it,

In the second case just change your website content.

otherwise your website will be penalized for duplicate content

adacprogramming · #10 (**permalink**) 10-18-2005, 04:37 PM

A site called Way back machine archives sites. This might be useful in proving that the content was originally yours. This link points to your site in their records. Looks like they first picked you up around Nov of 2002.

This is probably better then mailing yourself your code.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/%20kbkmarketing.com/*

**incrediblehelp** · #11 (**permalink**) 10-18-2005, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adacprogramming

A site called Way back machine archives sites. This might be useful in proving that the content was originally yours. This link points to your site in their records. Looks like they first picked you up around Nov of 2002.

This is probably better then mailing yourself your code.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/%20kbkmarketing.com/*

Yes I am familiar with this website. Thanks.

JuniorOnline · #12 (**permalink**) 10-19-2005, 05:11 AM

I find it very unfair that someone steals someone elses work. You spent time and energy + money to keep things going and this silly person do this.

copying content is very different than copying your website Image + content. This person has gone the extra mile to use harm your website.

I really hope you find a solution to the problem.

aaron2005 · #13 (**permalink**) 10-19-2005, 11:34 AM

Search Results for: topseo.net

Network Registry Results

Domain Name: TOPSEO.NET
Registrar: BULKREGISTER, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.bulkregister.com
Referral URL: http://www.bulkregister.com
Name Server: NS1.CARBIZ.COM
Name Server: IVRPDC.CARBIZ.COM
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 19-may-2005
Creation Date: 26-may-2004
Expiration Date: 26-may-2006

adacprogramming · #14 (**permalink**) 10-19-2005, 12:25 PM

Interesting choice of a host server. CarBiz appears to be a rather small company. Phone call to them would probably shake them up enough to shut down the site.

If that doesn't work Carbiz looks to be reselling for
OrgName: CenturyTel Solutions, LLC
OrgID: CSL-63
Address: 100 Centurytel Drive
City: Monroe
StateProv: LA
PostalCode: 71203
Country: US

NetRange: 69.18.64.0 - 69.18.127.255
CIDR: 69.18.64.0/18
NetName: CENTURYTEL-SOLUTIONS-6
NetHandle: NET-69-18-64-0-1
Parent: NET-69-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.KMCMAIL.NET
NameServer: NS2.KMCMAIL.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 2004-02-18
Updated: 2005-08-19

OrgTechHandle: JENNI4-ARIN
OrgTechName: Morrison, Jennifer
OrgTechPhone: +1-318-340-5974
OrgTechEmail: jennifer.morrison@centurytel.com

I haven't tracked them any yet but the phone number might be useful.

adacprogramming · #15 (**permalink**) 10-19-2005, 12:58 PM

You can skip complaining to CarBiz
Roger Highton - admin@hidev.com
Hi Development
PO Box 717
Tallevast, FL 34270
US
Phone - 941 812-5482
Fax -
owns www.topseo.net , Carbiz and http://www.hidev.com/ Although there are different phone numbers on each registration.
Looks like Jennifer at centurytel will be your best bet.

aaron2005 · #16 (**permalink**) 10-19-2005, 01:38 PM

I am not saying incrediblehelp is up to no good but I just feel a ripple in the force.

Are those ads on the copied site your ads incrediblehelp? Who gets paid when you click on them?

(I dont have time to investigate but give us more info here, you seem too calm for someone who has been screwed)

;)

timmathews.com · #17 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 08:07 PM

Hmm. seems I am in this mix now.
Sorry for the drama Jaan. I will get this focker sorted out.
anyone want to buy the domain topseo.net?

:D
I am in control of the domain now, and I see the drama that has occured from the client. Any offers?

**incrediblehelp** · #18 (**permalink**) 12-16-2005, 08:13 PM

Thanks Tim. I see the domain is down now.

Next time it goes live I would hope it doesnt have my website copied on it like it has for the last 3 months, on and off. :)

cspelts · #19 (**permalink**) 12-19-2005, 06:20 AM

What a perfect ending! A fellow forum member now controls the offending domain name? Perfect!

This has happened to me twice, and both times it was resolved quickly, but your ending is more fun!

**incrediblehelp** · #20 (**permalink**) 12-19-2005, 09:49 AM

Yeah and for some reason the domain is now working again. This is getting ridiculous. Tim why does the domain work again? What the hell?

**incrediblehelp** · #21 (**permalink**) 12-20-2005, 02:32 AM

Tim if you have control over the website why is it still working with my copied website on it?

http://www.topseo.net/

Wouldnt this be easy to stop?