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Old 09-07-2005, 11:17 PM
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In our estimation, we do between $160,000 and $320,000 per year in Internet Research, most of which is not remunerated, except by exceptional services rendered for clients.

We were among the first, if not the first to announce that it was no longer necessary to submit to the Search Engines.

We also “coined” the term “Gray Hat” SEO.

Somewhere in the balance between playing Moderator and making public declarations, we have to guard what we say and how, when and where we present it.

I sincerely believe that GOOGLE Sitemaps is the best and fastest way to be spidered and listed by not only GOOGLE but some of the other SEs.

Get Google Indexed Now!-Google XML Sitemap instructions and free software downloads.

We have been engaged in recent testing with new Sites launched in the last week and their associated Webmasters to validate this approach.

I sincerely hope the admins here and no one else holds it against me, posting this approach and the instructions on my own site first, making it available there only at this time, to help protect our Intellectual property rights.

Our Research here is after all presented FREE to anyone that wants to pursue, and it is a MAJOR “White Hat” approach only! If you see any risk at all, please post a response here. This is not a “bleeding edge” approach without substantiation, as you will see going through the process. It is simply where we rest at the “State of the Art” right now.

We have tried to make this information available on a timely basis, so that webmasters can comply prior to the oncoming Google PR update, even though it may not help PR at all! That’s another “call”.

Let’s make that call together, here on WebProWorld as we transition through this update. Time is running short …The backlinks (IBL) update is already well under way!

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Try it! – What do you have to lose?
I think the answer to this will come in time. I still have my reservations about it, as long term effects and indexing frequency may be affected at a later date. But if my site wasnt indexed or crawled frequently I would probably be more onboard with it.

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David,

You may or may not know me well enough to know that I wouldn't stick my neck out this far if I hadn't first tested this "instant effect" on my Site, on my client's Sites next, and then tested with other webmasters in the last week on newly launched sites.

I don't believe we faltered in the process.

In fact, I am quite impressed by the "stats" that are available on your site, once entering that "domain".

They check it immediately. You know instantly whether it is valid XML and more. They even constantly log the last time visited.

Take it or leave it for what it is, or is not.

One of the big catch 22s is, Will they spider me less if I tell the truth about how often revision occurs....I know...

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Old 09-08-2005, 12:26 AM
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Well, google are enforcing webmasetrs to use new toy that google controls. What's cool with this? A scraper AdSense site to get 45,000 pages indexed instantly? Because today indexing is on a promotion. And a legit site queued.
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Old 09-08-2005, 12:38 AM
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Don't be so cryptic.

Can you cite an example where someone has been so stupid as to submit a 45,000 page scraper or faux adwords directory to GOOGLE Sitemaps?

Talking about: Looking to get busted!

I thought the last epitath had alread been delivered for those Sites! The mass burial is in progress NOW!!!

Besides, what's to keep any other spider from looking for and utilizing the same file --- so simple to find in the root directory, all named the same.

Where are you coming from?

Google doesn't control it! It's just laying there bare naked. I can set up a spider and access them!

It was a brilliant move "cost wise", spidering reduction - obviously! But it is a new way that will become the "Norm", because they set it up free and open for anyone to use!

There is absolutely no room for conspiracy theories here.

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Let me guess, it is human reviewed and it won't become the best exploit next to blogger?
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OK 301, Let's go there!

How would/could you exploit it?

Let's explore the cracks. I love the crack of Dawn in the morning anyway! I walk out in my "Rural Office" and the woodpeckers are hammering away, while I'm slapping my dawgs (dogs) around!

We can walk down that road!

LOL

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Having a site with some K pages indexed targeting low competition kws like 'hp ipaq rz1715 203mhz 32mb recertified pocket pc reviews' - electronics for example is enough motivation to present some 20-30 new pages from 50-200 domains every day with xml sitemaps. Where are you coming from?
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Post a broken link at least, I run too tired most of the time to decipher.

Besides, if you haven't visited the morgue lately, the "hearsts" keep rolling in.

It doesn't happen all at once any more.

There are many Sites going into cardiac arrest every day for numerous reasons. It does seem quite heavy lately. I believe the algs have already been changed, prior PR update this time and as you know, we are still triaging previous alg patients here.

I think this has something to do with it:
http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=52054

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Ken,

The effects of the sitemap and indexing are better right now for new sites which use the sitemap. Maybe I am just being paranoid. From Google API's to Cutts blog about paid advertising it seems Google only does what is in their best interest and trys to dictate what is the internet. I just have a bad feeling all sitemap users might be complaining in 6 months from now. If my site wasnt being indexed maybe I would feel differently about it. But if it isnt broke, why fix it?

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I hear you David!

But they at least had the decency to release this technology in the open and available to anyone.

That also ties their hands, keeping them from using it in any negative way.

They offered it to their competitors at the same time.

That makes it a self governing system from the "get-go", - IMO.

That factor was a critical issue in it's success. Who would use it if not? I wouldn't!, and I couldn't recommend it for clients either.

You can bet the other SEs are stepping up to the plate. Why not?

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I've got to say I love google sitemaps.

I launched a site about 6 months ago. I was provided with 1 link from a related source (pr7 homepage) which made google come and have a look at my first page. Thats all it did for months. I got loads of directory links and some recips and still front page only. 4 Months on and msn was ranking me well, finding my new articles and such. Still no google. 6 pages in the index in total and MSN had about 70. So I thought 'Sitemap - what have i got to lose' withing a week google had deep crawled my site. I'm still not ranking great but I have over 90 pages in the index now.

I have 2 new sites inching for launch and I think sitemaps will prove to work in these cases as well!
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I'd love to be enthuseastic about gsm but I can't get G to read the file. I've created the xml file with GSite Crawler, uploaded it to my server but when I try to tell G that it is there I get:

The server returned an error when we tried to access the URL provided.
Please verify that the Sitemap URL is correct and resubmit your Sitemap.

http://www.websmart-uk.co.uk/wssitemap.xml

The file is there I can view it my host can view it but not G. Has anyone got any ideas.
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greeneagle,
I like your posts - I really do - but when viewing your site using a 19" LCD monitor it reads at the top:
Mountain Eagle Marketing
Pofessional Web Design...

which does not look very professional. ;)
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bsmiffy,

There are several XML code errors in the file. Go back to the original article and use one of the recommended XML validation sources. Once you establish good clean XML code you shouldn't have that problem.

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neonant,

That's a bit off topic.

I never had that complaint before. You don't specify whether you see a technical problem which I can't recreate, or whether you just have a personal preference tick.

Why don't you PM since it is off topic.

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