Over optimized? From #1 to missing on Google !

[Texlend]

My website has been #1 or in the top ten on some very competitive keywords for many months and now it is gone completly from Google. No PR and all back links are missing but the cached image is still there. I think the SEO guy I have been using was a little "spammy". Any suggestions? How do I get relisted? http://www.homeequitylending.com


Using Googlerankings it came back with this. Not sure what it means?? Could this be the problem?

Keyword: URL Pattern: www.homeequitylending.com


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[Chris]

the only way to get relisted (if you've been removed) in google is to find out what you were penalized or banned for and then correct these errors. once this is done, you have to contact Google and inform them that your site now complies with their standards...

from everything i've gathered from reading here and other discussion forums, it is not an easy, expeditious task, but it can be done.

and judging by the site searches (with www, without www) i conducted, no, your site is not listed in google. at all.

[bhartzer]

Chris is right, your site is currently banned in Google. I would refer to Google's standards for webmasters, make sure your site is following all the guidelines, and make a reinclusion request to Google.

[incrediblehelp]

Definite SPAM:

http://alltheweb.com/search?cat=web&...&_sb_lang=pref

Click on some of the websites that link to you. Exact copies of your primary domain. Thier are so many things wrong here it is not even funny.

Look at these domains:

http://www.mortgageloansoftexas.com/
http://www.equitylendingoftexas.com/
http://www.houstonianmortgage.com/

It is so funny that Google still occasionally ranks interlinking SPAM websites like this at all.

[greeneagle]

Welcome to WPW Texlend,

This probably isn't what you wanted to hear, but everything about the Site is Spam, including the Title tag, the metatags and the HTML verbiage and the purposeful misspellings.

The ultra-large text even has that same air about it.

It's time to start completely over.

IMO - There isn't an over-optimization penalty, and that is definitely not what is going on here if there was one.

Ken

[Texlend]

Thank you Ken. Thank you for the other responses as well. I guess I should have gotten involved earlier instead of in damage control mode. The website template on the other sites were supposed to have different content but the same look and functions. Bad idea? I have limited experience with Frontpage. Can you recommend a website template program to give them all a different look if it is a bad idea to have such similar sites?

[greeneagle]

Texlend,

I don't want us to just drop you off on such a negative note.

It's a good idea to take a deep breath and start your recovery plan.

I am going to be real broad here and anyone that wants to fill in the spaces can...

Recovery Plan:

1) Take a couple days and read through some of the forums here. They are power packed with good info from all contributors. Pay particular attention to this forum, and the search engine forums first. Make sure and read thru the entire GOOGLE Webmasters Site as recommended.

2) You may even try submitting your Site over at the "Submit a Site for Review" Forum. They may not rip you a "new one" especially if you explain what has happened and even reference this thread. There are some very good site reviewers over there.

3) If your resources can take the hit, there may be some web developers that will help at a reasonable cost. The problem may not require going back to the template level, right now.

4) Get rid of the dupes, gateway and doorway pages, or whatever else you have that has trangressed GOOGLE's policies. You can do 301 permanent directs to the the URL you select from the rest. It may be best to select one that has both relevent keywords in the URL and is not delisted.

5) If you choose to stick with the URL you cited in this thread make sure and ask GOOGLE's forgiveness and for reinstatement (if it has been truly delisted). I'm sure someone will post the procedure and links here.

Ken

[CreditFN]

Texlend,

You definately need to make a run through your site while you hold down the delete button and get rid of all the extra verbiage on your site. Texas is written so many times, it is annoying to a human reader. Your site is in need of some professional help, and you should check the qualifications of the next people who you hire to fix your site.

[KeithO]

Originally Posted by CreditFN

Texlend,

You definately need to make a run through your site while you hold down the delete button and get rid of all the extra verbiage on your site. Texas is written so many times, it is annoying to a human reader. Your site is in need of some professional help, and you should check the qualifications of the next people who you hire to fix your site.

Exactly.

[Texlend]

I appreciate the feed back. I went thru holding down the "delete button" as you suggested and I tamed down the Metas and title. Any other suggestions?

[JKomp]

The only thing i couldnt find wrong was invisible text - Ken is right, you probably need to start again, get professional help ;)

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by Texlend

I appreciate the feed back. I went thru holding down the "delete button" as you suggested and I tamed down the Metas and title. Any other suggestions?

Building a new totally unique website is necessary here. I would even suggest trying a new domain name as well, considering the SPAM associated with this one.

[LinkMaster]

The biggest problem that I see is all of those cloned websites on different domains that are all interlinked with one another. You need to decide which one of those domains you want to focus on, and remove the cloned/mirrored content from the other domains. If I were you, I would keep the one with the most PageRank and focus on optimizing it. Then develop new, unique content on the other domains. It's okay if the websites inter-link, as long as they are not all duplicate content of the same site. That's what got you dropped. If you don't decide which one of those cloned sites you want to be in the search engine's index, they will do it for you. That's what happened here.

[Texlend]

Good idea Linkmaster, I have made that change. I have several other sites with a 3 and 4 PR.What should I expect to pay for a website redesign and how long to get to # 1 again doing it "cleanly"? It is a bummer because this site was a PR 5 bringing in 100's of hits per day. How much should I expect to pay for a clean SEO company? I really appreciate everyone's time and advice on my post. This forum is really a jewel. I will be using someone services from it in the future as to not get into this mess again.This was an expensive mistake.

[gateur]

You can listen to the self appointed experts all you want. Google probably dropped you because one of their major national advertisers complained that you were taking too much business away. Google drops sites for lots of reasons. But they use duplicate contect, spam, etc. as their excuse.

The plain fact is, you need to start over with a new Google identity including a new Url and a new Google account. You need for Google to believe the new site is not owned by you or they'll make up another excuse to keep you from competing with their best paying advertisers.

For Google, its all about money, and it has little to do with quality of search results.

[JKomp]

"For Google, its all about money, and it has little to do with quality of search results" - Surely google depends on the quality of its search results to ensure the future success of the company and therefore its profits. For me there are many clear reasons why google would have dropped this site, these have been covered above.

[Texlend]

Gateur, I hope you are wrong. I would rather have them penalize me for a mistake instead of success. It would be nice to know what has happened but they do not answer email nor do they have humans for the phones. You are correct in that we are all speculating at this point. I think the opinions expressed here are pretty accurate though. I guess time will tell. I have made almost all of the suggestions offered here, including a redesign that I will be launching soon.I just hope it was something done by us VS. just being offline or in the middle of changes while being indexed.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by gateur

You can listen to the self appointed experts all you want. Google probably dropped you because one of their major national advertisers complained that you were taking too much business away. Google drops sites for lots of reasons. But they use duplicate contect, spam, etc. as their excuse.

oh yes, because Google has never kicked anyone out for duplicate content. never, ever. if you honestly believe that, make two of the same sites and then concentrate on nothing but adwords. think that'll protect you?

as for advising Texland to get another adwords account, how does that benefit Google from a financial sense? last time i checked, signing up for google's advertising services was free...

[Texlend]

"the only way to get relisted (if you've been removed) in google is to find out what you were penalized or banned for and then correct these errors. once this is done, you have to contact Google and inform them that your site now complies with their standards..."



Does anyone know how to reach Google to find out what has happened to my site? I have tried calling and have sent several emails that are answered by auto responders.I think the page has been cleaned up pretty well?