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Old 07-21-2005, 08:29 AM
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Default The Future of Search: Finding Your Place in the Hive

The Internet is changing. In the near future, the “web” concept may prove too primitive to properly describe the evolutionary nature of the beast. Something more abstract perhaps, like Jung’s collective unconscious model—a digital beehive of collective information, honeycombs stacked high and deep with information. And so, searching the nectars of the hive should also change as spiders evolve into honeybees.

For many this isn’t news. You’re already tapped in, communicating by elaborate dances on par with quantum string theory and its highly intuitive mathematics. . You know already that the second generation of search is rapidly giving way to the third generation of search and you’ve adjusted your SEO techniques accordingly.

But for others, if you haven’t been paying attention, a burgeoning third generation that probes the deepest and traditionally most inaccessible corners of the Hive, as I now shall call it, with evermore awe-inspiring technology and personalized self-redefining features will be surprising.

It will dawn on you, the way it has on me, that all the work you’ve done to get a higher search engine ranking ISN’T GOING TO WORK ANYMORE. What used to be content, content, content will become context, context, context.

Where We Were, Where We Are, Where We’re Going

In 1992, there were just over 16,000 domains on the Internet. The only people that really knew about it were introverted techies who liked to impress their friends by showing how to find bomb-building instructions with their PS 2’s. These are the same ilk who eventually grew up to work for the NSA.

The first generation of search engines emerged soon after with basic methods based upon keyword relevancy—the density of keywords on the site, keywords in the title, domain, etc. But a system so simple is wide open for abuse. Enter the spammers morphing search engines into just another advertising medium.

With the second generation, the algorithms became more sophisticated by not only measuring keyword relevancy, but also by adding off-page criteria like page rank, link popularity, click tracking, cache data, and two-word keyword combinations for added context.

The search engine world exploded, leading to the search king of the hill battle to see who would preside over the 30 million domains that had sprouted by 2001.

So here we are now in 2005 balancing on the edge of a new world so hyper-evolved that search engines are beginning to “think.” The methods of generations one and two become only part of the equation.

“Theme engines,” as they have been called by Michael Campbell, search engine strategist and author of the e-book, “Nothing But ‘Net,” are the next incarnation.

The third generation is much more personalized and takes into account factors like geographic location, demographics, time of day, search history, and user preferences.

Microsoft’s highly anticipated Longhorn operating system is expected to integrate desktop and Internet searching by building a complete portfolio around a user and tailoring the search results accordingly.

Take Andy Beal’s example of a searcher who routinely downloads music from the band “Heart.” When typing in the keyword “heart,” results for the band will appear instead of links to the American Heart Association.

But most intriguing is how the search engine spiders (worker bees) will learn to judge the content of websites.

Campbell explains it better, so I’ll leave it in his words:
· G3 adds Web maps which…are a useful filtering tool to get rid of duplicate sites... This means pages like doorways, gateways, entry, splash…will soon get filtered out.

· What you say about your Web page, how the structure of other people's Web pages compares on the same topic, and what other people say your site is about, must match, be in harmony with each other, be as one.

Or, in the cold hard world of the search engines, where everything is weighted and calculated according to mathematical formulas, whoever is closest to the 1.000000 without going over is the winner, coming up tops in the search engine.


Since keyword relevancy and page rank are reduced to links in the logical chain, here are some helpful hints (with a little help from Campbell) to prepare for the future of search:

· Diversify. Think in terms of “themed” Web sites by creating several static sites each with their own topic. If you sell carnival equipment, set up one site about food vending, another about games, and another about transport equipment, and link them together. Give all sites a similar format so people know that they are connected.

· Don’t sweat the small stuff. With link text, get rid of punctuation and unimportant words like “a,” “and,” and “the.” Keep it to the keywords only.

· Big brothers help little brothers. If one site is very popular and indexed often in important places, use the site as a portal to lesser-known or new websites by providing links to them.

· FOCUSED CONTENT. Create the content for your sites by writing articles that revolve around your keywords and subject matter only.

· Keyword placement is more important than density. Use keyword phrases in the title, ALT, URL, link text, and META tags. The weight of keyword density is top-heavy, with more weight given to the top, and then the middle, with the bottom of the page deemed less relevant.

That’s the skinny on the future of search. There’s much more that can’t be squeezed into this article, but hopefully the information will be helpful.

While your competition is still working with outdated second generation SEO techniques, you’ll be well along the garden path of the third generation. You’ll even have your own niche in the honeycomb.
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Agreed most definitely. With all the rules and regulations now in place with the various engines it does however still surprise me how spamming sites obviously not adhering to the rules rank top score.....

In my client's statistics I noticed this week that the search terms are becoming longer and more specific - for example "heavy duty industrial vacuum cleaners south africa" is one long term to search for but very specific. This person obviously did not find what they were looking for when they searched for "industrial vacuum cleaners"

Am I wrong in assuming that the general public out there by default are becoming so annoyed with the spamming sites and non-relevant search results that they now stipulate exactly what they are looking for?

I think if we could get the public out there to make a wish list of what they would want in search results we might be surprised..... I personally get annoyed with the non-relevant results received most of the time.

Is this something that will be sorted out by the algorithms?
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Old 07-22-2005, 08:03 AM
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the goal of 3G search is just that, to weed out irrelevant searches...Yahoo! recently patented a personalized search tool. It's all headed that way and spammers are a big part of the reason. The algorithms will continue to get more and more sophisticated.
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While I agree that themed search engines tailored to a users tastes is something to definately kee in mind, I do not see the vast majority of internet newbies doing anything but entering a term in the standard search box. In my opinion, most searchers just want information fast. they are not going to want to answer 50 questions just to tailor the search a tad more to their likes.

If that is indeed the case, then the majority of traffic will still belong to generic results.
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While I agree that themed search engines tailored to a users tastes is something to definately kee in mind, I do not see the vast majority of internet newbies doing anything but entering a term in the standard search box. In my opinion, most searchers just want information fast. they are not going to want to answer 50 questions just to tailor the search a tad more to their likes.

If that is indeed the case, then the majority of traffic will still belong to generic results.
Yes true, BUT if user x is located in UK they will more likely be presented with more UK related reults, results that are more GEO related to them. Also as, the article suggests, if the search patterns of user x indicate they like the colour blue, perhaps the results may present more blue coloured goods..

I think transparency will exist for the general user still, but the results will be significantly different.

It's all about "profiling" the user, this is clearly evident in strategic plans with google, yahoo etc, hence we see user accounts, surfing patterns tracked.

Log out of your gmail if you don't want your patterns logged hehe

Which reminds me I have 50 invites if anyone would like a gmail account.
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While I agree that themed search engines tailored to a users tastes is something to definately kee in mind, I do not see the vast majority of internet newbies doing anything but entering a term in the standard search box. In my opinion, most searchers just want information fast. they are not going to want to answer 50 questions just to tailor the search a tad more to their likes.

If that is indeed the case, then the majority of traffic will still belong to generic results.
Yes true, BUT if user x is located in UK they will more likely be presented with more UK related reults, results that are more GEO related to them. Also as, the article suggests, if the search patterns of user x indicate they like the colour blue, perhaps the results may present more blue coloured goods..

I think transparency will exist for the general user still, but the results will be significantly different.

It's all about "profiling" the user, this is clearly evident in strategic plans with google, yahoo etc, hence we see user accounts, surfing patterns tracked.

Log out of your gmail if you don't want your patterns logged hehe

Which reminds me I have 50 invites if anyone would like a gmail account.
Yet another reason that I didn't accept the 50 or so gmail invites I have gotten :P
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Yes true, BUT if user x is located in UK they will more likely be presented with more UK related results, results that are more GEO related to them.
Yes well this is the hard part.

How does the search engines ethically decide that a website that is hosted in California, but owned by a pizza shop in Kentucky, is or is not a better website than one that is locally hosted pizza website in Kentucky? By that psychology they would rank local websites higher than others in different states or countries. If they did this it would be very interesting. As SEO's and marketers we would have to make sure that our clients host the website in the same city or state to rank properly for local keywords. Hard to think they would do this, but who knows.
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I think most of this will be done from user information submitted to the engine.

If a user has a profile, by cookies being set, it should be not too tricky for the engines to display content related to their profile.

I mean this already happens to an extent with amazon etc, they display "stuff" which is related to your previous searches.

With GEO targetting I don't think the location of the server will have any bearing on placement, I think the placment could come from the location of the USERS machine - which is not so bad, I mean if you are located in France, why would you wanna see a pizza delivery service from Norway? - unless you hit the "show me all results" button.

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I think most of this will be done from user information submitted to the engine.

If a user has a profile, by cookies being set, it should be not too tricky for the engines to display content related to their profile.

I mean this already happens to an extent with amazon etc, they display "stuff" which is related to your previous searches.

With GEO targetting I don't think the location of the server will have any bearing on placement, I think the placment could come from the location of the USERS machine - which is not so bad, I mean if you are located in France, why would you wanna see a pizza delivery service from Norway? - unless you hit the "show me all results" button.

I'm just thinking aloud on sunday morning.
Agreed on all accounts, it is just strange that when search on google.co.uk the default is not UK only results. Why in the world would you want to see American results when searching on a UK search engine?

If people choose to actually use peresonalized search by using the personalized home page from Google, Yahoo, AOL, etc this could work I just dont see many using it unless they are forced to.
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Default First part some new points, last part already well known.

"I mean if you are located in France, why would you wanna see a pizza delivery service from Norway?"

Problably not.

The Invisible-Web,

http://www.invisible-web.net/

http://www.incywincy.com/

http://www.searchwise.net/

may be a greater problem.

B.F. Skinners http://www.bfskinner.org/ thoughts may be important.

Also see some remarks on my own blog, under the heading "Make the invisible net more visible".

Find additional links on my post here:

http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic...asc&&start=200

Some "new" types of SE's
http://accoona.com/ai.html AI
http://www.factbites.com/ Hybrid

Dicipline search, the future?
http://www.stock-market-search.com/

What about Google Site-Falvored Searh? Seems promising. Example on my index page if you scroll a little.

Of the meta SE's, mamma

http://www.mamma.com/

is my favourite and she is quite good. Note that mamma is related to http://www.digitalarrow.com/
if I am correctly informed.

Kjell Bleivik
http://www.multifinanceit.com/
http://www.blognorway.com/
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Begin search by talking to the Bot.
Then keep on talking.

http://www.subjex.net/servlet/Subjex...?showmain=true
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