Black Hat or at least Very Questionable?

[cooperm]

Just wondering if anyone has ever heard of this. It sounds very black hat to me. Some of it just sounds ridiculous like the nonsense about the submission routines and credit for submissions going to your domain name?!!? They claim to know the best times each month to do this for each engine. LOL. I know paid submissions are worthless, but something about the D.I.P. pages seems to possibly work as I checked some of the rankings in Google for their clients.

To maintain the elevated rankings, our final step is what separates the client from their competition (and us from ours!). We need to increase your site’s submission routines, but it must be done in a legitimate way. The use of doorways, gateways and mirrors are commonly used for this purpose, but can have negative results when found by a search engine. WE DO NOT USE ANY OF THESE TECHNIQUES! What we do is unique to our company. We use what are called "Directory Information Pages," also known as D.I.P's. These pages are non-publicly viewed one-page websites, hosted on our own servers that are seen by the engines as completely unrelated websites. The purpose of these pages is to increase your sites submission routines beyond what your competition can produce. Each time we submit these pages (also done twice per month to both the major and minor indexes), the credit for the submission is applied to the client's primary website. Basically it's a numbers game. Rather than having just one website being submitted, you now have multiple sites being submitted and all the credit is given to the client's domain name. Since we are submitting these D.I.P. pages on an on-going basis, this maintains the client's elevated rankings for as long as we continue the process. This D.I.P. technology has allowed us to maintain a very high success rate and renewal rate. The increased submission, because they occur in a legitimate way, have allowed our clients to soar to the top of the search engines listing and therefore generate a substantial increase in sales!

Something just seems weird about the whole thing though. What do you all think? I do have the company site and phone # also. Just don't want to advertise for them good or bad.

[brian.mark]

It seems rather dark grey to me at best. They're using the term DIP to describe those who use their service best I can tell.

Brian.

[wrmineo]

Dark grey hell, that's black as a moonless night!

First, a bunch of one-page websites will not be well received.

Second - an artificial and fast increase in links is a red flag to most bots.

Third - all submissions and pages are coming from the same IP or block of IPs probably - another flag.

Fouth - sounds like they're also submitting to FFAs, link farms and the likes, and on a too frequent basis.

Fifth - DIP is right, they're dipshts

Sixth - I'm too tired to elaborate on all the points that seem wrong with this model, but sounds way black to me.

Brian's getting to PC :) it's all that customer service he's having to endure!

You're right to go with your gut.

By all means, send me their name and site - I love playing with these kind of people. I'll get a good paper trail going back and forth with all of the bs in some emails and then publish for the WWW to see.

[brian.mark]

I was giving them the benefit of the doubt. Sorry... I'll go back to my usual.

"They're as black as the 3 car in the middle of a lunar eclipse."

Feel better now, wrmineo?

Brian.

[wrmineo]

Yes, that has a more familiar ring and tone ... much better! ;)

[cooperm]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought. I will e-mail you the info W.R. Mineo.

First, a bunch of one-page websites will not be well received.

Second - an artificial and fast increase in links is a red flag to most bots.

Third - all submissions and pages are coming from the same IP or block of IPs probably - another flag.

Fouth - sounds like they're also submitting to FFAs, link farms and the likes, and on a too frequent basis.

These are the points of contention I saw. I was just curious to see if anyone had ever seen anything like this before with these so called D.I.P.'s. It seems very unfair to those of us who do SEO properly and honestly.

[brian.mark]

It's only unfair until they're caught. At that point, we're the only one still around.

Brian.