A quest on SEO on sites with frames

[emale]

I run a search engines companion tool related site which use frames.
Its has several frames in the main index page, my doubt is how the spider-bots crawl through a frames site like mine at http://www.i1254.com?

There are meta tags in main index page only. Some search engine bots can't recognise frames. Am i right ??

Personnally, i never like to visit sites with frames, but i seem have no choice.

[wrmineo]

Here's what Google has to say about Frames - they even are so kind and humble to give more information and resources from others sites:

Taken from Google Information for Webmasters:

Your pages use frames. Google supports frames to the extent that we can. Frames tend to cause problems with search engines, bookmarks, emailing links and so on, because frames don't fit the conceptual model of the web (every page corresponds to a single URL). If a user's query matches the page as a whole, Google returns the frame set. If a user's query matches an individual frame on the page, Google returns the URL for that frame. The page is not displayed in a frame because there may be no frame set corresponding to that URL.

If you're concerned with the description of your site as seen by search engines, please read "Search Engines and Frames." It describes the "NoFrames" tag, which is used to provide alternative content. If, instead of providing alternative content, you use wording such as "This site requires the use of frames" or "Upgrade your browser," you're excluding both search engines and individuals whose browsers don't support frames. (For example, audio web browsers, such as those used in automobiles and by the visually impaired, typically do not deal with frames, which are a visual mechanism.) You can read about "NoFrames" in the HTML standard here.
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The last link goes to W3C which is an awesome source for any web enthusiast, but can be a bit confusing and hence, aggravating - but well worth the effort.

Frames and Framesets can rank. I tried some just to see if it could be done; a challenge if you will. I'm not burning up any severs with my site (yet:)) but my one frameset came out of the last Google PR chute from a PR0 to 3, so if a novice can do it, it is possible.

I think parts of its success was giving each frame their own individual title, content, metas and good file names.

For you, I would suggest trying to ensure W3C valid code to ensure your frames/set get a leg up on being able to be crawled properly by bots, and tweaking your title, description and keywords to content relevant items only without getting too greedy on the keywords.

Good luck and Happy ranking! Let us know how it works out please.

w®m

[emale]

Thank you wrmineo, I will review the source from google and see if I need to redesign the site.

[wrmineo]

Originally Posted by emale

Thank you wrmineo, I will review the source from google and see if I need to redesign the site.

You're certainly welcome!

However, see if you can clean, tweak, revamp versus a full redesign. I like the look and functionality of your site a lot! I think it has real potential for drawing in visitors: internet users and even web enthusiast wanting to compare results.

Good luck whatever direction you go. Please keep us posted on your progress; I'll be interested to see how your site grows.

Have a Great Weekend!
w®m

[emale]

i really appreciate your warm and sincere comments. million thanks in advance.

would you mind drop some mssgs on why a visitor spend 0 second (strange!!) while the other will spend 15 minutes ?

Building a site is one thing, marketing it is yet another big thing. sometime i feel blue and even sick on why the number of visitor never meet what i hope for that day despite my great investment in time and $$$ to promote it... :(

anyway it was launched at 10-Jun-2005, it is still a baby!! i hv plenty room for improvements.

thus every word from you is worth more than a ton of gold.

i think i shouldn't redesign but to clean, tweak, revamp it. frankly, i am in the process of cutting down bit and byte of every page so it will load faster, yet maintain the functionality.

one last question, did u think it is worth you taking the trouble to use the "Tell a friend" form to spread the words? If not, why ?

THANK YOU !!!!! Really.....

[brian.mark]

We've used "Tell a friend" in the past, then forgot it on a redisign. What we found was that there were more people bookmarking and fewer using it to email themselves, which we have found lasts much longer. Emails get deleted, but bookmarks last for a long time on most PC's. If people like your site, they'll email someone about it anyway.

Brian.