Importance of PR and Alexa?

cjshu · #1 (**permalink**) 12-24-2003, 12:14 PM

How important is PR and Alexa numbers actually? I know PR is supposedly very important but my site is showing a PR of 2 and is not even indexed by Google.

Also my Alexa nubers have gotten better. I am now less than 1,000,000. I have looked at sites with Alexa numbers in the 10,000 and no PR.

Just curious.

ronniethedodger · #2 (**permalink**) 12-24-2003, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjshu

How important is PR and Alexa numbers actually? I know PR is supposedly very important but my site is showing a PR of 2 and is not even indexed by Google.

Also my Alexa nubers have gotten better. I am now less than 1,000,000. I have looked at sites with Alexa numbers in the 10,000 and no PR.

Just curious.

I have revisited your site again...and still do not see the PR2 for it. In another post, someone else mentioned seeing a PR2 also...so I am at a loss as to what you two are seeing.

Google has not indexed your site, so there should not be a PR established for it yet. This is what I am coming up with.

As for Alexa and it's Traffic Details -- You are probably doing work on your site and FTPing it to your Server. Then checking your work with your browser which has the Alexa Bar enabled. This constant checking will inflate your Traffic Detail at Alexa. I know this, because I will have spikes in my chart when I do major changes on my site and do link checking.

For the top 10,000 sites at Alexa and no Google PR...you are mistaken. Make sure you are looking at their home page. If it is still not showing a PR, then try adding a www. or dropping the www. from the domain name (whichever is applicable). Try that and tell me what you see...okay?

minstrel · #3 (**permalink**) 12-24-2003, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronniethedodger

I have revisited your site again...and still do not see the PR2 for it. In another post, someone else mentioned seeing a PR2 also...so I am at a loss as to what you two are seeing. Google has not indexed your site, so there should not be a PR established for it yet. This is what I am coming up with.

I just visited the site now and the Google toolbar shows PR=2.

Strangely, entering "www.vitamin-health-supplements.com" (without the quotes) in Google yields the statement "sorry... cannot be found", but if I use +"www.vitamin-health-supplements.com" to search for backlinks, Google has 15 pointing to the site. That seemed pretty weird to me...

...until I looked to see what those links were and guess what? They're from WebProWorld forums, "ozemedia.com" forums, and a shopping directory called "activeplaze.com".

So it does indeed seem as thought the site itself hasn't been indexed by Google (???) but other sites that are indexed are pointing to the URL and providing that PR2.

Now the question is - WHY hasn't the site been indexed?

Or was it indexed at some point in the past and suffered a penalty? How long has the site been active?

cjshu · #4 (**permalink**) 12-24-2003, 03:42 PM

When I move my counter over the pagerank area it shows 2 of 10. Maybe that is from the links back.

Is it bad that the links I am showing are in forums? I understood that any link back would help?

ronniethedodger · #5 (**permalink**) 12-24-2003, 03:44 PM

Something very, very, very strange is going on here guys. I still do not see any ranking at all on my Googlebar. I have tried it with and without the www. in the address.

Why is this happening ???

My googlebar is "no ranking" (not even a 0) which should be the case when there are no pages in the Google Index. Yet now, Minstrel being the third, are reporting PR2. This is all too wierd.

I too came up with the same results as Minstrel did on the other things such as the forum links and what not.

I did a WhoIs on his site and the IP address for it is being reported as 207.189.213.147 ... but get this, when you go to that IP address ... the page is blank !!!

Here is the source:

Code:

<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE></TITLE>
<META name="description" content="">
<META name="keywords" content="">
</HEAD>
<BODY BGCOLOR=FFFFFF TEXT=000000 LINK=0000FF VLINK=800080>

</BODY>
</HTML>

This partially explains why Google would not be indexing the site. There is nothing to index.

Something is not kosher about all of this. I think we need some of our autolink investigators in here to take a look at what is going on.

minstrel · #6 (**permalink**) 12-24-2003, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjshu

When I move my counter over the pagerank area it shows 2 of 10. Maybe that is from the links back. Is it bad that the links I am showing are in forums? I understood that any link back would help?

No there's nothing wrong with the links pointing to you - I mentioned them because they seemed to be recent and I wondered if this was a new site.

However (and I hope you don't mind me posting this here - I think you'll get more answers more quickly this way), in your email to me you say:

Quote:

My site has been active for about 6 months. I dont know why it would be penalized. I only recently began trading links. Could it be the discount host I use?

If you've been live for 6 months, it's even stranger that you don't seem to be in the Google index. Where did you register your domain name? Who is your hosting service? Did your site EVER show up in Google? or for that matter in other search engines?

I had a quick look at your home page, and apart from a lot of blank lines/hard returns, couldn't see anything obviously wrong... there were several scripts that I didn't explore but they just seemed to be CSS includes and I don't know how that could hurt you.

Have you made any major changes to the site recently? i.e., have you deleted anything that might have been penalized but isn't there to see now?

minstrel · #7 (**permalink**) 12-24-2003, 03:54 PM

Here's what I find with a whois:

Quote:

Host Name : http://www.vitamin-health-supplements.com
IP Address: 207.189.213.147

OrgName: Net Infrastructure
OrgID: NINF
Address: 1655 Walnut St. Suite 8
City: Boulder
StateProv: CO
PostalCode: 80302
Country: US

NetRange: 207.189.192.0 - 207.189.223.255
CIDR: 207.189.192.0/19
NetName: NETINFRA-001
NetHandle: NET-207-189-192-0-1
Parent: NET-207-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.NETINFRA.COM
NameServer: NS2.NETINFRA.COM
NameServer: NS3.NETINFRA.COM
NameServer: NS4.NETINFRA.COM
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 2000-10-19
Updated: 2002-11-06

TechHandle: HOSTM20-ARIN
TechName: Hostmaster
TechPhone: +1-303-447-2496
TechEmail: hostmaster@netinfra.com

None of this signifies anything to me - anyone else see anything here or in the HTML for his page?

minstrel · #8 (**permalink**) 12-24-2003, 04:03 PM

From newtworksolutions whois:

Quote:

domain: vitamin-health-supplements.com
status: production
owner: ************** (the name is there - I just blocked it here)
email: vitamin-health-supplements.com@owner-handle.com
address: -
city: -
state: -
postal-code: -
country: US
admin-c: vitamin-health-supplements.com@admin-handle.com#0
tech-c: vitamin-health-supplements.com@tech-handle.com#0
billing-c: webmaster@specialistweb.com#0
reseller-1: RegistryWeb Discount Domain Names.
reseller-2: Choose from over 30 domains in 25 countries.
reseller-3: Visit our Web Site at: http://www.registryweb.com
reseller-4: Contact us at: registryweb@specialistweb.com
nserver: ns.budgethostingweb.com 207.189.213.157
nserver: ns2.budgethostingweb.com 207.189.213.158
registrar: JORE-1
created: 2003-06-16 16:56:05 UTC JORE-1
expires: 2004-06-16 10:55:49 UTC
source: joker.com

db-updated: 2003-12-24 21:57:30 UTC

I don't know what some of this is - what is "joker.com" up there? These results differ a bit from the ones I found using the ARIN database but for all I know that's normal.

(Added: joker.com is just a domain name registrar)

Anyone else want to jump in here? Why isn't this site indexed?

minstrel · #9 (**permalink**) 12-24-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ronniethedodger

Something very, very, very strange is going on here guys. I still do not see any ranking at all on my Googlebar. I have tried it with and without the www. in the address.... My googlebar is "no ranking" (not even a 0) which should be the case when there are no pages in the Google Index. Yet now, Minstrel being the third, are reporting PR2. This is all too wierd... I did a WhoIs on his site and the IP address for it is being reported as 207.189.213.147 ... but get this, when you go to that IP address ... the page is blank !!!This partially explains why Google would not be indexing the site. There is nothing to index.

I didn't see your post here, Ron, because I was busy writing my own (below yours)... but just now trying the IP I also get a blank page - yet the alpha domain name brings up the site (and here with a PR=2) so what is that about? The DNS isn't pointing to that IP?

Quote:

Something is not kosher about all of this. I think we need some of our autolink investigators in here to take a look at what is going on.

I don't know about that, or about the word "kosher" but it is passing strange, for sure...

Have you recently changed servers, cjshu? Or did the ownership of this site recently change hands? I notice that one of those "whois" searches indicates "RegDate: 2000-10-19 Updated: 2002-11-06" while the other says "created: 2003-06-16 16:56:05 UTC JORE-1 expires: 2004-06-16 10:55:49 UTC ".

I'm just a simple psychologist here... this confuses me and hurts my brain... :o)

ronniethedodger · #10 (**permalink**) 12-24-2003, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronniethedodger

I did a WhoIs on his site and the IP address for it is being reported as 207.189.213.147 ... but get this, when you go to that IP address ... the page is blank !!!

Here is the source:

Code:

<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE></TITLE>
<META name="description" content="">
<META name="keywords" content="">
</HEAD>
<BODY BGCOLOR=FFFFFF TEXT=000000 LINK=0000FF VLINK=800080>

</BODY>
</HTML>

Let me retract part of my previous statements.

I did a Reverse IP check on this address and come to find that there are no less than 1,048 websites coming out of this one IP.

It has always been my contention that Google crawls the web by IP address and NOT by domain names. So this being the case, it is no wonder that Google has yet to index (what it perceives to be) sub-pages to that IP address.

When you go to base address (207.189.213.147) you will get the page code that I listed above. This is what Google is seeing when it crawls to that IP. In essence it is worst case scenario you could have for a Home Page.

The Reverse IP tool reveals a list of sites, but only the 1st 100 that are ganged on that one IP address. I did a check on some of them from that list:

www.bedandbreakfast-illinois.com
www.101website-traffic.com
www.Adtracking-software.com
www.Accuratestriping.com

...and on and on for several more.

Each one of them had NO RANKING on my Googlebar.

Discounted web hosting that throws several hundred domains onto one IP address is not very good in my opinion. Even if you have a couple of thousand links pointing to you...your chances of being indexed at Google are not good at all -- by virtue of the way it crawls the web.

ronniethedodger · #11 (**permalink**) 12-24-2003, 04:33 PM

Addendum to the PR differences.

What you are seeing on your Googlebar is the PR for the IP address, not the PR for the actual site. There are 1,048 other sites on that IP address and what you are seeing is the combined PR for all of them put together. (Although I am still not seeing any PR at all)

cjshu · #12 (**permalink**) 12-25-2003, 10:42 AM

I dont know why you do not see meta tags - they are there.

I think my discount hosting service ( Budget Web Hosting - $13 year! ) could be my culprit!

Could anyone recommend a low cost reliable hosting service.

Thanks everyone for all the diligant work on this. Simply fantastic!

ronniethedodger · #13 (**permalink**) 12-25-2003, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjshu

I think my discount hosting service ( Budget Web Hosting - $13 year! ) could be my culprit!

Could anyone recommend a low cost reliable hosting service.

I use FatCow Hosting. I don't pay the bills, but I believe it is about $15 a month. Other members will probably will suggest who they are using also, and they are all probably pretty good.

But for the most part, basic hosting plans start around the $15/month range and on upward depending upon how much server space and bandwidth you will need.

If it falls below that monthly figure...then question it by all means. Cheaper is not always better as you are now aware of.

Make sure that the plan you are signing up for is giving you your own IP address, and not one that will be shared with other customers of theirs. This is the first thing to look for and to make sure of. If they are not capable of that, walk away.

awall19 · #14 (**permalink**) 12-26-2003, 02:17 PM

I recently started to use $3.75 hosting - cheap and good... http://www.3.75-hosting.com/

alexa is generally worhtless...some sites do good by sending out a bunch of spam...there is also software which autosurfs through alexa and has others surfing the network surf your site... it does not have broad distribution and is easy to manipulate

ronniethedodger · #15 (**permalink**) 12-26-2003, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awall19

I recently started to use $3.75 hosting - cheap and good... http://www.3.75-hosting.com/

That is interesting!

I checked out your site and your IP address hosts another 26 sites. After checking your site, and a few of the others...they are all doing quite well PR wise and being indexed by Google.

I am now going to have to re-evaluate my position on this type of set up. Seems that I may have overstated it.

...hmmmmm.

awall19 · #16 (**permalink**) 12-26-2003, 02:37 PM

I just started my 3.75 hosting account this month and none of the sites hosted on that account have any pagerank yet. they will within a month though. one site I put up last week already had all 16 pages indexed in less than a week...as far as hosting goes, that it is possible for spiders to find the site...i think that is all that matters anymore...

ronniethedodger · #17 (**permalink**) 12-26-2003, 02:50 PM

Aaron - The site of yours that I referred to was http://www.search-marketing.info/ . Is this the one that you just now put up????

awall19 · #18 (**permalink**) 12-26-2003, 03:24 PM

Naw
thats been there for quite a few months...it just recently became popular, but its been there a while. its hosted on dreamhost...like i said, the host does not matter that much as long as it allows spiders to find your site (I believe GoDaddy was having real problems with this!)

martinlock · #19 (**permalink**) 01-31-2008, 04:01 AM

Alexa computes traffic rankings by analyzing the Web usage of millions of Alexa Toolbar users. Google rank web pages according to its popularity and importance based on inbound. Both have their own significance. I installed alexa toolbar & widegt but no result see LINK DELETED bu ctabuk ranking of my website here.

**ctabuk** · #20 (**permalink**) 01-31-2008, 05:05 AM

Strong warning given for opening old threads - topic closed