IBP vs Webposition Gold

[grease]

Which site submission tool do you recommend?

[Modified] I guess the question should read, Which site optimization tool do you recommend?

[minstrel]

I'm a little leery about either or all of these programs, especially in view of Google's comments on the subject...

See Google Information for Webmasters.

Note the comment on Web Position Gold.

[dmcgill]

I am a dealer for WebPosition Gold and have been for 3 years now. It used to be a very hot item but sales have slowed down a lot even though the price and the price for updates has remained the same. I agree that you should be careful using any submitter though. When I use it I uncheck Google. I don't think I have been penalized for using it yet. It is a great tool for SEO though to get your tags right etc.
dmcgill

[rlrouse]

It's safer to submit by hand and the results are generally better too.

[grease]

I have been submitting by hand for 3 years now - yes the results are very good, but I cannot justify the amount of time and effort to my clients. The subtle tweaking day and night is tiresome process - and updating my heuristics every 3 months is more than I care for. The optimaztion features alone surely justify the $200ish for the program. Supposedly, the Axandra software allows manual submissions, I was wondering if any has experience with this program and could clarify this.

Grease

[Steven Glover]

We have both tools.

As for Internet Business Promoter it does not have an auto submission tool in the version we have and I thought we were on the latest version. However it is a very handy comparison tool. You give it a keyword and your url and it will tell you how yours is different from the top 10 pages found in any given search engine. Really quick and easy way to tweak.

As for Web Position Gold it is very handy for tracking what your submissions have done. I use it at night to pull the reports and I have a nice spreadsheet setup linking to them. I have it slowed down a lot to show some respect for the engines. I do not however use WPG to submit. I hand submit. I think it works better.

[joelkatona]

As a developer of a competing product, I believe the real power of these software packages is the optimization and keyword analysis features.
By using these SEO tools the website owners can quickly figure out what the competition is doing and improve their own pages by staying within reasonable keyword repetition and density ranges.
I do agree though, if you do search engine submission and optimization for a living for clients you can not afford to waiste time with manual submissions and lengthy ranking checks. A large percentage of our clients purchasing our software doing search engine optimization work for others.

[sealeman]

I have been using SelfPromotion.com. Has anybody used it or heard of it?

Allen

[Christian_SEO]

We started off using Submit-it! and then SelfPromotion.com, which we actually paid for because we liked it so much.

3 years ago we researched all the submission programs we could find and tried all the demos. In the end, price was a factor and we went with MGAWEB, but I can't recommend it any longer. If we ever buy another submission program it might be AdWeb, because I have heard many good things about it.

But most of the "pros" agree that hand submission is the ONLY way to go. I disagree. If you can submit to sites that do not know or do not care about automated submissions, then why not use it?

Anyway, our main focus for all our projects is hand submitting to about 120 sites. This is a lot of work, but the results have been worth it! We really think it is worth the time and effort.

The poll should really have the top 20-30 programs and include hand submission as well to be more useful in my opinion...

By the way, we never use any ranking or positioning reports for any of our client projects... How can we live with out those? So how do we know anything is working?

Heck, we just look at the client's web traffic reports and show 'em the numbers. Rankings may or may not mean more traffic to the site, but ahhh, unique visitors to the site are something you can take to the bank...

[Jörn Malek]

Hi,
we have both tools but stopped using Web Position Gold at all because of Google. We only use IBP to submit clients sites. Our sites get visited at least once a week and we don't submit any pages. IBP makes a nice report and we use the programm to compare and opitmize pages, check keyword density etc. I think IBP is more dynamic, because it looks at actual results. On the other hand it is incredible what kind of terrible sites sometimes reach excellent positions and you don't want to adjust your site to that standard. If there is a site that uses 50 words in the title tag and repeats the same words 6 times in it but shows up in the first postions, IBP tells you that this is OK.

Also I found sites that don't close the <H1> tag and IBP sees all this text as H1. After discussing the subject with Axandra they claim that the search engines look at things in a similar way, which I cannot believe.

Another conflict area is density. If you have little words, your key-word density gets too high. If you have many words your tags and body gets too long. So it was much easier to work with WebPositionGold but we seem to have much better results with IBP.

any commnets on this?

Have a happy day
Jörn

[tcady]

I like WPG for seeing where I rank on the SEs on how that changes overtime, and based on my tweaks (you can see it change on Google within days when you tweak).

I do not submit with it, I submit by hand but not regularly, I figure once you're listed, the spiders will come back. Plus I dont have 'clients' - just a job where I do two sites.

I hear you saying Google will ban you for using it!
My other post regards asking why my ranks with Google just dropped - I do not submit with it though - but I do have it query Google for 20 words, three times a week, in the middle of the night - it is set to wait 5-15 seconds between each search - and only try twice if it times out - so I am being courteous....
can Google tell that I am doing this - and would they ban me for it?

[Mel]

Originally Posted by tcady

I like WPG for seeing where I rank on the SEs on how that changes overtime, and based on my tweaks (you can see it change on Google within days when you tweak).

I do not submit with it, I submit by hand but not regularly, I figure once you're listed, the spiders will come back. Plus I dont have 'clients' - just a job where I do two sites.

I hear you saying Google will ban you for using it!
My other post regards asking why my ranks with Google just dropped - I do not submit with it though - but I do have it query Google for 20 words, three times a week, in the middle of the night - it is set to wait 5-15 seconds between each search - and only try twice if it times out - so I am being courteous....
can Google tell that I am doing this - and would they ban me for it?

Unless you have a dedicated IP that you surf from soley and the IP is somehow identifiable with your site, I fail to see how they could even know who was using the tool, and that being the case who are they going to ban? If google were to ban sites because you checked their ranking with WPG, then you could run around and get all your competitors sites banned just by checking their rankings.