Manual Submissions

[leehill]

Can someone please supply a link to manual subisssion pages of all the major search engines (only free ones please)

here are two to get the ball rolling.

1.http://submit.search.yahoo.com/free/request

2.http://www.google.com/addurl.html

Obviously these are the big two, but others such as the following would be nice.

1. Ask Jeeves
2. AOL
3. MSN
4. Freeserve
5. Hot Bot
6. Alta Vista
7. Lycos

and as many more as possible

Lee

[AlexDP]

The search engines find your site by following links from other sites. If you have no links there's no point in manually submitting as you won't be found in the resuls anyway.

There have been lots of threads about this - recent one below:
http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=31370

Alex

[cbp]

We hand many many many threads on this. Don't waste your time. It does not work and does not help. I have not bothered to submit a new site for >1 yr or so now.

CBP

[ctabuk]

leehill, welcome to WPW, go to profile and add your URL as your signature, then read all of the threads on site submissions. You have to be aware that very few SE's do manual views, like DMOZ and Yahoo (I think they are still doing some)- submit to DMOZ but first go the site submissions page on this forum and use the incredible tools there to see where your site needs help. Then go the links pages, read them all, and start submitting to directories.

[leehill]

You say that search engines will only find my site through links from other sites, this is simply not true.

I have submited over 100 sites to search engines over the last 5/6 years.

More recenctly I submitted a site which had only been "live" for 2 weeks, no other site anywhere on the net linked to this site.

www.ijinstallations.co.uk

I then used web position gold 3, and also manually submitted to dmoz, yahoo, and google.

withing 3 weeks my site was having great results in most of the search engines for terms such as:

plasma tv installation
plasma tv repairs

but there was not a single link to my site from ANY other site.

Lee

[cbp]

That site is not even listed in Google - how can you be getting good results????. it will not matter how many times you submit it to Google --- you will be wasteing your time.

You say that search engines will only find my site through links from other sites, this is simply not true.

It s true

I have submited over 100 sites to search engines over the last 5/6 years.

Please show me one site where it was listed with no links.

CBP

[cbp]

I have to take that back. The site is not in Google if you do a cache: or site: search, but after hunting around he URL is partially indexed by Google, but you were not telling us the full story - there was a link to the site from another site that is listed in Google, which is why Google would have indexed it. HOWEVER, the link from that site to
www.ijinstallations.co.uk is now gone (its only on the cached version of the site) --- so
www.ijinstallations.co.uk will soon be gone from being partially indexed by Google (....but then it may stay becasue of the links from here at WPW)

CBP

[leehill]

"there was a link to the site from another site"

where???

If you are referring to the www.project365.co.uk, then this site also has no links to or from it, except maybe here, now.

and when that site went live, there was no links on it at all.

and maybe im a little blind, but nowhere in post does it mention anything about that site being listed in Google, let me check....no, it doesnt.

getting good listings is not all about Google.

my client wanted to found by the terms:

plasma Tv installation
Plasma tv repairs

and many many others, he is now being found by these terms in Yahoo (its quite a popular site, have you heard of it?) and also in many other leading search engines, i can provide you with a list if you like.

[cbp]

"there was a link to the site from another site"

where???

There was a link to www.ijinstallations.co.uk from http://www.delv.co.uk/delvresult/tv+projection+lens , but the link is gone (its still in the cached version of the page)

If you are referring to the www.project365.co.uk, then this site also has no links to or from it, except maybe here.
and when that site went live, there was no links on it at all.

There is a link to that site from www.ijinstallations.co.uk

CBP

[ctabuk]

I have little choice other than to agree with cpb if you have been submitting for 5 years or more then your highest position is 16th on Lycos, 19th on Yahoo, MSN same - Exact Seek you do well, Windseek shows but frankly your best bet by a mile is Pay Per Click, Yes you are already on Overture, but way down.

My rankings for you on Google show nothing at all

[daemon61]

Originally Posted by leehill

"there was a link to the site from another site"

where???

If you are referring to the www.project365.co.uk, then this site also has no links to or from it, except maybe here, now.

and when that site went live, there was no links on it at all.

and maybe im a little blind, but nowhere in post does it mention anything about that site being listed in Google, let me check....no, it doesnt.

getting good listings is not all about Google.

my client wanted to found by the terms:

plasma Tv installation
Plasma tv repairs

and many many others, he is now being found by these terms in Yahoo (its quite a popular site, have you heard of it?) and also in many other leading search engines, i can provide you with a list if you like.

In Yahoo I cant find any of your sites in top 20 by these terms you provided. I dont understand? Whats the use of "being found" on >20 ?
Big part of google SERPs are the links from other site to your site.
I dont understand your point, do you want to get somewhere with your site, or you just want to be listed in search engine? If you aim for second thing, then I dont understand the reason of this thread?:)

[ctabuk]

Originally Posted by daemon61

In Yahoo I cant find any of your sites in top 20 by these terms you provided. I dont understand? Whats the use of "being found" on >20 ?
Big part of google SERPs are the links from other site to your site.
I dont understand your point, do you want to get somewhere with your site, or you just want to be listed in search engine? If you aim for second thing, then I dont understand the reason of this thread?:)

You were searching World Wide as did I, but do you have UK stats only available? He shows up there at 19th on Yahoo UK & Ireland

[daemon61]

Originally Posted by ctabuk

You were searching World Wide as did I, but do you have UK stats only available? He shows up there at 19th on Yahoo UK & Ireland

True, i forgot to check that out, its a bussy day.
Still, i have a problem with understanding a point of this thread:)

[leehill]

http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?p=...vc%3DcountryUK

http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?p=...vc%3DcountryUK

the point of the post was to answer the original question. It was simple question, i didnt expect everyone to jump on it and ask me to start provinding facts and figures and proof.

I never said I have submitted THIS site for 5 years, this site has been submitted twice in 6 weeks.

I have been submitting other sites for 5 years, and I have alwyas submitted either by hand or using WPG.

are you tryiung to say that the companies that provide this software (WPG) are lying and they are a complete waste of time, if so, why does Yahoo and Google provide a URL submission page, are they laughing at us wasting our time, when the submissions come in do they simply bin then and then all have a good laugh.

[ctabuk]

First of all, calm down, we give our time for nothing, SE's like Google and Yahoo are in business, they could not give a tinkers cuss about whether a site submission system delivers or not. Many of these systems use what are called 'cloaking systems' in other words they try to conceal their identity. The only one I will ever use is Internet Business Promoter as it does not cloak. Never ever pay anyone to submit your site for you, buy IBP if you believe it will help, the one facility it does give, that you cannot get free is that it tells you where your site is on every SE world wide. Your Industry is PPC related, and I think you know that, go for the pub and club trade. Now say sorry to everyone and get busy!

[daemon61]

Originally Posted by leehill

are you tryiung to say that the companies that provide this software (WPG) are lying and they are a complete waste of time, if so, why does Yahoo and Google provide a URL submission page, are they laughing at us wasting our time, when the submissions come in do they simply bin then and then all have a good laugh.

Ah, you asked about links on search engine submissions. Sorry, I am completely lost in this thread:)
Search engines collect data from the web by spiders. Spiders are leaded by links, so if you dont submit your site on search engine, but to a directory, you will end up in search engine cause their spider will fetch your site over that directory. But a link in directory adds value to your site (in google SERPs), while submition to search engine doesnt add any value to your site. Thats why is submitting to search engines a waste of time.
Rather go here - http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=21900 , and you get better rankings in google when you finish with that list, guaranteed. And Google, Yahoo, MSN, and others will get you into their index. Hope this helps.

[leehill]

Thanks daemon61

That is exactly the kind of info I was lookin for.

and to ctabuk, Im at peace with nature now.

thnx