DMOZ question

[Lilly]

I probably already know the answer to this, and it has something to do with my site's lack of being optimized for Netscape? but I am looking for the particular reason(s) that I cannot get listed on DMOZ when I am well ranked all of the important search engines. I just want to fix the problem. Any insight would be appreciated.

http://www.whispy.com

Thanks!

Lilly

[markhallgate]

i had a problem getting my site "www.hallgate-timber.co.uk" listed for months because i was putting it in the wrong catagory according to the editor. he said that it had to be in a regional catagory as we dont deliver outside the uk. it took a lot of effort to get the reason though, but it was worth it as i resubmitted in regional and got listed after about 3 weeks.

[apply75]

it takes months to get into dmoz the editors just dont update it enough..the best thing to do is try and pick a cat with an editor then resubmit every 3 or 4 months until you do get it in...

[Lilly]

Thank you both for the added info and ideas. I've not been able to get a response as to the reasons I can't get seem to get listed ( you're so lucky) but have exaused all other avenues of trial and error for the better part of the last two years trying. From trying different categories, like you suggested to reading the Public Board they provide. That's why I was thinking that is was something else that I am completely missing here.


Lilly

[apply75]

well at the end of they day its up to the editor.
Im an editor for DMOZ and sometimes I just reject because its not a good site. lots of subjectivness involved. try looking at the sites in the category and see why they were accepted, do they have better content, better design, more of leader in the section...not all sites are guarenteed entry in DMOZ...

[cbp]

the best thing to do is try and pick a cat with an editor then resubmit every 3 or 4 months until you do get it in...

That is stupid advice and will take longer to get listed doing by that:

1. No category is without an editor.
2. Submiting to the wrong category, just because an editor is listed, will mean that editor will just move it to the right category and you have to wait all over again.
3. Resubmitting just overwrites the old submission with the new date, so if the editor sorts the suggestion pool by date (most do), you move yourself to the back.

CBP

[cbp]

http://www.whispy.com

hmmm.. you are not telling us the full story. How many other sites do you have? How many times have you submitted? How many deeplinks have you submitted? How many categories have you submitted to? You appear to have been creating a lot of work for editors.

CBP

[Lilly]

The full story? I don't have any other websites except for a blog and an online store, both in development and neither online or public yet. And I'm not sure what you mean by deep links. I've submitted to DMOZ perhaps 4 times in the last 2 years, always just my main page, and always just figgured I wasn't accepted/listed because my site is not optimized for Netscape? I'm not a professional web developer or promoter, So I do not know what you mean by creating alot of work for editors. Sorry :/


Lilly

[cbp]

Every time you submit a site to a wrong category, then an editor has to move it (more wait for you and more work for the editor). Every time you submit a deep link to the site, an editor has to check it and then delete (more work for the editor). ...etc - an editor has done all this work and during that time no new site(s) get added.

I've submitted to DMOZ perhaps 4 times in the last 2 years

How many? That may have been >4+ times in 2003 - how many this year?

CBP

[Lilly]

Thank you for the explanation. I'm still not sure what a 'deep link' is. I only always submitted just www.whispy.com. This year, I don't think I have at all yet ( submitted to DMOZ ), which is why I asked what the problem might be here first, before I tried it again. Because I would 'like' to be listed of course. Other than that I pretty much gave up trying ..

[cbp]

A deeplink is a link to a page deeper in the site rather than the home page (ie submitting subpages to other categories). It does appear that you have submitted deep links.

Best advice to get into DMOZ:

1. Submit it once (make sure its the correct category; make sure title and description meet guidelines)
2. Check at www.resource-zone.com after 1 month(to see if its waiting)
3. Forget about it (there is nothing more you can do)

CBP

[Lilly]

After thinking about what you said regarding the deep links, I realized that I have been submitting to what I thought were the other search engines, via the Adweb program, some of my other pages. When you described what deep links are, I checked that program and I sure enough had DMOZ checked along with the rest of the engines in the list :/ I did not realize that at all this whole time. "I" was submitting to DMOZ myself manually, whenever I did try, not knowing that the program was too. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Live and learn ...

[cbp]

I realized that I have been submitting to what I thought were the other search engines, via the Adweb program

You don't even need to do that for any search engine or directory.

See this thread started by greaneagle:
http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=22872

CBP

[Like2Golf]

Originally Posted by cbp

3. Forget about it (there is nothing more you can do)

Ok, great - I've done that and have been listed in the directory. I'm told the fact that when you use the DMOZ search and my site doesn't come up has something to do with the DMOZ search being broken. If you manually traverse to my category, my site is indeed listed.

Now, the question becomes, how often is the directory information updated by DMOZ, and how often does Google use the updated information?

I guess what I really want to ask is how is being included in DMOZ going to help me with my listing in Google, and when/how will I know when it does help?

[Peter Holland]

add it at alexa directory it worked fine by me

[cbp]

Now, the question becomes, how often is the directory information updated by DMOZ, and how often does Google use the updated information?

DMOZ updates daily. DMOZ search updates less often (the function of the search is really to find categories and not sites, so its not that good).

Google (and all other donstream DMOZ users) updates when it gets around to it. Google has updated the directory 3 times this year. But only did it twice in 2003.

I guess what I really want to ask is how is being included in DMOZ going to help me with my listing in Google, and when/how will I know when it does help?

It will help, but no more than any other link will.

add it at alexa directory it worked fine by me

Its not possilble to do that Alexa use the DMOZ database. Hit the submit button at Alexa and you go to DMOZ.

CBP

[pedstersplanet]

Originally Posted by cbp

3. Forget about it (there is nothing more you can do)

I'd go with this, I have lol..... I'm doing well without them anyway.

Also people tell you to submit to DMoz as it'll help your PR - however some category pages do not have any PR to start with, so if you're submitting just for PR, then make sure your category has PR, else it'll just be a waste of time.

Thats my 5p's worth. :)

[cbp]

Also people tell you to submit to DMoz as it'll help your PR - however some category pages do not have any PR to start with, so if you're submitting just for PR, then make sure your category has PR, else it'll just be a waste of time

I agree, the PR you get from a DMOZ category is no more or no less than the PR you get from any other page with the same PR and same number of links on a page. Some of the deepest categories in DMOZ are PR0 (or really PR<1) or PR1. I wouldn't agree it a waste of time submitting if the category has low PR, after all it only takes a few minutes and its a free link you don't have to reciprocate. BUT, no-one at DMOZ tells you to submit for PR - thats coming from "non-DMOZ'ers".

...just don't figure why people get so upset at not getting in or having to wait so long :-)

CBP